Why are car companies dropping Apple CarPlay?

[Synner Syndrome]

I believe the limiting factor will be how well backward compatibility is maintained. At some point the hardware in the vehicle will become obsolete.

Maybe so but why remove the feature? Let the consumer make that call

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[Synner Syndrome]

Why not just post the actual link to the article so everyone can easily access it and read it instead of a picture?
Also ditching Sync 4 has nothing to do with Carplay & AA being offered.

I was out to breakfast with a couple of friends this morning and I was reading about it on my phone. I’m going to find it in my history and I will copy the link and I will post it on here.

 

[dochawk]

Apple & Siri know more about me than even I can remember

I don't trust Apple to have good will or good intentions.

I do trust their devotion to the profit motive--and within that, they've chosen marketing privacy as a hill to die on. Look at their facedown with the FBI and more recently with the British government.

I'm one of the people that willingly pay for that.

(really, it's a pity that the brits backed down when they did--publicly and loudly pulling access to apple's encrypted ecosphere for an industrialized country would really make the point clear!)

Apple uses encryption that it itself can't break by design. I happily pay extra for these policies.

My suspicion is that to eliminate the conflicts with risc processor language they decided to drop both and provide their own proprietary replacement resolving software conflicts

Outside of a design decision that would qualify as clinically insane, the instruction set of a processor doesn't enter into the communications a a computer. Communications have their own protocols, which don't depend on the processor involved. Outside of the insanity case, processors will not accept code to execute.

Currently, Linux is purging code back out of the kernel into modules that do not have full access.

Many of the worst attack scenarios involve methods (such as "buffer overflows") to trick the host processor into executing code. Making sure that this doesn't happen is a major OS design tak.

Actually been on the Android phone train since the original droid launched,

I had the original g-phone when it came out.

It was really cool when it suddenly sprouted navigation--briefly.

I put it on out of curiosity while driving from Vegas to San Jose.

It ran down a fully charged battery in 40 minutes!!!

And then it got an "upgrade" to its OS that it just didn't have the processing chops to handle, and became pretty much unusable.

I then had a couple of cheap androids (Tmobile comet and I forget what) before I was in the Apple Store (for a repair?), and the iPhone was just so shiny that I walked out with one--the day before Siri went live!

They told me “but it has Spotify!”

You may have hit on the core motivation: how much will Spotify pay ford to use them but not Pandora, etc.? and how many other apps?

Bad timing on their part, though, given the current rulings against google for maintaining their search monopoly by such payments . . .

As for myself, having to use ford's slop instead of CarPlay would likely be a deal breaker. Being forced to use a google product to drive a car would certainly be! At a minimum, it would be a tipping point. (and I'm already leaning towards dodge's serial hybrid half ton, whatever they're calling it this week, over a powerboost F-150.)

As for GM, the only model they've introduced this century with even a smidgen of interest for me was the Cadillac XLR (also the only alphalac that vaguely interests me. realistically, though, I'm too tall). OK, the only thing they've made since the Great Castration that interests me at all are Northstar Cadillacs and the LT-1 engined 94-96 models (Fleetwood, and upper versions of Impala and Roadmaster). And this from someone that currently owns four Cadillacs from '72 to '98!

 

[Cancunbadlands]

Data mining is profitable tho
Ford wants it all

 

[jpj]

I won't buy a vehicle that doesn't support CarPlay. The car manufacturers could save us a lot of money if they ditch their proprietary software ambitions. It will manifest in lost sales.
The last four vehicles I have owned came with navigation and Serius XM that never got used because of redundancy.

 

[Kenv24]

Why not just post the actual link to the article so everyone can easily access it and read it instead of a picture?
Also ditching Sync 4 has nothing to do with Carplay & AA being offered.

He tried to post the link but got an error that said his mouse 'was not compatible with Ford any longer'

 

[todd92]

I am looking back to find the article. I’ll find it in my viewing history.

But WHY would I start a thread asking about this topic if I didn’t read it?

Another self righteous Einstein who thinks he’s better than others

Oh, you again. I've offended the resident forum Karen.

Post the link or go away.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

He tried to post the link but got an error that said his mouse 'was not compatible with Ford any longer'

I have a mouse that likes my cabin air filter.

 

[Fender66]

Maybe so but why remove the feature? Let the consumer make that call

I agree, we should have the option. I was just emphasizing that at some point a new phone won't be compatible with a 20 year old vehicle. Unless some method of backwards compatibility is offered.

 

[gzebrick]

I prefer the consistency of having the SAME user interface, the SAME apps, the SAME settings, the SAME contacts... all of it going with me as I go from one vehicle to another. I don't want what the vehicle manufacturers are shoving in, and I sure as hell am not going to pay a monthly fee for a connected experience in my freaking car!

We currently have a fleet of 4 in the household. All have CarPlay and I get the SAME experience regardless of car, ranging from a 91' Miata (with aftermarket double-DIN stereo) to a 25 Escape PHEV.

It's all about the promise of recurring revenue from customers and data mining. It leverage to appease the shareholders. It has NOTHING to do with getting customers what they want. It's 100% a money play and anything else the manufacturer says in unqualified Bull S#$t

As long as competitors provide alternatives WITH CP/AA, I'll avoid purchasing a vehicle that doesn't have it I have a SLATE reservation and if I do wind up with one (no decision yet) I'll add a good double-DIN stereo to it too.

 

[VICKY]

You may or may not have read that GM has gotten rid of Apple CarPlay and android auto in their Chevy line. I’m not sure about the other lines but I definitely know Chevy was affected. So I read an article this morning when I was eating breakfast that stated that Ford, Toyota, and Volvo are shortly to follow. The entire premise is that they are developing their own software within the vehicle to use. I’m not sure if that is a good idea. Many people like myself love Apple CarPlay. And there’s other people out there who like android auto. I’m not quite sure why you would chase people away getting rid of a feature that is so widely used and is beneficial. People like myself do not like to text and drive. There are some people out there that for some reason too, but I do not like to text and drive with my hands on the phone. I really enjoy CarPlay for the multitude of features that has whether it’s texting by voice, listening to music, using maps. Whatever it may be.

The question I have for you all is this. Is this a feature that you religiously use and would this be something that would affect your day-to-day life or is it something that you can deal without? Reading on the forums and reading from Chevy forums people have said hey all you have to do is buy an external Apple CarPlay screen. But for me that doesn’t seem conducive because now you’re spending money on an external stereo that you should not have to buy. I don’t see the benefit of this decision

YES, this effects my day to day life and my daily does of Zepplin, and really couldn't live with it? ha ha But almost 4 years, I JUST NEED it.

 

[Mike S]

I will NEVER buy a vehicle that doesn't support CarPlay. I use it all the time. I don't need to pay for a navigation upgrade, nor do I want to learn how to use multiple navigation systems in different vehicles. Using my cell phone for navigation works perfectly and is always up to date.

 

[Mike S]

The problem is once the ball gets rolling on axing it from the other big manufacturers, they'll jump in line too, because the board will see it as an extra source of revenue they are not utilizing and ol' Jim will all of a sudden have a fiduciary responsibility to not leave that money on the table either.

Ford is NOT going to drop CarPlay. They believe that this gives them a competitive advantage vs GM, Tesla, and Rivian.

 

[Joylove]

One possible reason for the planned removal could be Chinese EVs. They are selling extremely well in Europe and CarPlay gives a similar interior UX to GM products. Taking back full control of the UX may give GM a differentiation to Chinese EVs.

But I think another earlier poster hit the nail on the head. It’ll be about selling access to the occupants. Charging chatGPT and Spotify for access to the occupants and charging the customer $30 a month for access to connected apps.

 

[KEMeyer]

My two cents worth: I seriously doubt that any car company will refuse to give the customers what they want in a capitalistic (aka free market) economy. Seems like that would be suicide,

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