Is Maverick 200k miles reliable?

[710-oil-614]

The images that you posted are of heavy castings with a surface patina-type oxidation on them. Those castings will outlast you before they rust out. Painting them would not achieve anything, although I believe that some early 22 Mavs did paint them for unknown reasons.

Yes I understand but it is cheap as hell because every other manufacturer does it. If I climb under my wife's 2018 Honda Odyssey that has never seen a day of fluid film in its life - no rust anywhwere.

Ford went cheap to save a few pennies but this is every vehicle they produce now. They arrive with surface rust.

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[Gray Goose]

The images that you posted are of heavy castings with a surface patina-type oxidation on them. Those castings will outlast you before they rust out. Painting them would not achieve anything, although I believe that some early 22 Mavs did paint them for unknown reasons.

Yes, castings outlast all of us and likely a couple more generations after that. Not sure of the exact age, but this Farmall is at least 70. Paint has been gone for a few decades.

 

[Scott Asheville]

OP, I honestly think you've thought it through pretty well. Your writeup was solid and well reasoned. You understand that modern turbocharged engines have a pretty hard life. Yea, they're well cooled and pretty reliable - but they work hard. And hybrids are awesome until they're not. Maybe someday BEVs will be the answer to 300,000+ miles, but it feels like that level of reliability and stability is a few years down the road.

Here is some reasonably solid material for you to digest...

https://www.iseecars.com/longest-lasting-cars-study#v=2024

 

[Probity]

Ah, the elusive hunt for that 200k+ miles "forever" car/truck. Best auto brand/model? How long is a piece of string?

Did a purely statistical look at what's available for sale out there in USA autoland with 200k+ miles on it. Everyone has their favorite new/used car buying website, mine is Autotrader.

Looked in a 400 mile radius from my location (70433 zip, so generally the mild/temperate climate south) for used vehicles with over 200k miles. Around 1900 of them (the total literally changes as I was looking).

Over 80% of vehicles listed from 6 brands - Chevy, Ford, GMC, Honda, Nissan, Ram, Toyota.

Ford - around 509 vehicles - over 70% were F-series (F150/250/350/450/550).

Chevy - around 309 - over 75% were trucks or Suburban or Tahoe.

Toyota - around 310 - a real mixed bag, although Tacoma/Tundra/4Runner amount to over 50%.

Of the ~1900 total, only 21 are hybrids (just over 1%). Rest are gassers and diesel.

Of the ~1900 total, 4wd/AWD are around 38%, RWD around 37%, and FWD around 25%.

Of the ~1900 total, around 16% are 4 cylinder, 35% 6 cylinder, 48% 8 cylinder (remainder 3, 5, and 10 cylinders).

Of the ~1900 total, manual trans are just over 2%, remainder some form of automatic trans.

So you can draw your own conclusions. In general, a truck-like RWD or 4WD/AWD model with 6 or 8 cylinders seem to be what has lasted for 200k+ miles around my neck of the woods. YMMV.

 

[Tbone289]

Yes I understand but it is cheap as hell because every other manufacturer does it. If I climb under my wife's 2018 Honda Odyssey that has never seen a day of fluid film in its life - no rust anywhwere.

Ford went cheap to save a few pennies but this is every vehicle they produce now. They arrive with surface rust.

Surface rust on solid steel/iron castings that can't be seen except when you're under the vehicle, and that has no impact on the life of those parts. I'm unsure why anyone would care whether they're painted or not.

 

[710-oil-614]

Surface rust on solid steel/iron castings that can't be seen except when you're under the vehicle, and that has no impact on the life of those parts. I'm unsure why anyone would care whether they're painted or not.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35726969/2021-ford-f-150-pickups-rust-reported/

 

[JPatterson]

Yes, castings outlast all of us and likely a couple more generations after that. Not sure of the exact age, but this Farmall is at least 70. Paint has been gone for a few decades.

Farmall C. About 1950. Have mowed and raked lots of hay on one of those in my youth.

 

[Timothyd]

The images that you posted are of heavy castings with a surface patina-type oxidation on them. Those castings will outlast you before they rust out. Painting them would not achieve anything, although I believe that some early 22 Mavs did paint them for unknown reasons.

From working on my company's equipment all over (and out of) the country I'd have to say yes but they are heavy and can be brittle sometimes. They wear well but forgings and weldments are superior for strength and durability. They will all oxidize unless they have exotic metals in them.

 

[Timothyd]

The hybrid is less complicated and less high strung from a drivetrain perspective.

The ecoboost has a definite issue with the transmission, the direct injection will cause dirty valves, and has a turbo which adds one more area of complexity.

In contrast the drivetrain on the hybrid is pretty tried and tested and mostly bulletproof. There is also no starter, alternator, or power steering pump and the ac compressor is a longer lasting scroll type.

The high voltage battery has a 8/100k warranty on it and in general if they don't fail early on they will last a long time. My wife's 2010 Prius at 150k is still on its original high voltage battery and it is a Nicad, and the Maverick uses a lithium battery which is heated and cooled so should last at least as long.

I personally wouldn't include CV axles as a benchmark, for one they are very easy and inexpensive to replace and two they've been upgraded so any replaced under warranty in the next five years will have the updated part.

Hybrid sales were so good it went from being the cheap option to the most expensive, Ford sells more hybrids and Ecoboosts at this time.

Yup, the hybrid gets the nod for longevity. Plus, the owners generally drive easier for better mpg's for even less stress. Only time will tell. I wonder how many of us will be here in 10-20 years?

 

[Tbone289]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35726969/2021-ford-f-150-pickups-rust-reported/

Furthermore, I don't know why Maverick owners would care about rusted steel axle tubes or cast differential housings on F-150s, when the Maverick doesn't have any of those parts.

 

[colinl]

search around for a ford dealership that gives lifetime powertrain warranty to new ford vehicle purchases. it's non-transferable, but if you drive vehicles a lot of years and/or a lot of miles, it's very much worth it, even if you have to have it delivered via truck or fly and then drive cross-country to get it yourself.

one such dealership is the one I bought from: Don Hattan Ford in Augusta, KS. there are others, I saw someone comment recently that their dealership did this as well, and I think they were in the SE region somewhere.

 

[Ozarkbeard]

By the forum complaints i've noticed the hybrid is much less reliable (many fewer hybrids sold, but many more reliability complaints about them) such as cv axle etc. plus it just stands to reason with more complexity.

just checked 18k messages on hybrid problems forum 13k on ecoboost forum (here). But most mavs sold have been ecoboost so the real ratio is much worse

my truck is 17 years old, i will have to replace hybrid battery 2-3 times in that span, at costs of thousands. when i replace my canyon battery it's 100 dollars at wal mart.

Most sold have been Hybrid. You won't be replacing the HV battery 2 to 3 times in that span. And rebuilt batteries will be available by the time the Hybrid needs one. Sounds like you've been reading anti-Hybrid FUD somewhere.

23k so far and zero problems on mine. Colorado owners I know haven't been so lucky.

There have been recalls for both models, but mostly software related. I blame Ford for that.

The eCVT in the Hybrid will likely be very trouble-free, compared to the ecoboost conventional automatic with its multiple gears It's based mostly on the Toyota Prius eCVT, which is rock solid. No belts or pulleys like an old-school CVT. The eCVT has 2/3 less moving parts than the transmission in the ecoboost. The Prius eCVT is tried & true tech and Toyota's been selling it since 1997. Easily go 200k. The Hybrid brake pads probably won't need replacement for 200k. Half the oil/filter changes of the ecoboost. Air filter lasts longer in the Hybrid, too. And no belts to wear out. The CV axles have been redesigned and are stronger than the ones Ford initially used.

https://fordauthority.com/2019/08/this-2012-ford-escape-hybrid-has-over-400k-miles/

 

[Scott Asheville]

Funny that this thread appeared when it did. This afternoon at 3 PM EST (and recorded for later viewing if desired), Autoline After Hours has a show that's all about the most reliable cars on the road. So listen and try not to get your ears burned off. J.D. Power will be this week's guest.

So you can get advice from all the self-appointed automotive geniuses on MTC, or...


https://www.autoline.tv/after-hours/

 

[Gray Goose]

Farmall C. About 1950. Have mowed and raked lots of hay on one of those in my youth.

Actually it's a Farmall H. On a C, the steering linkage goes next to the engine. An H, the linkage is over this engine as is this one. The H also has the additional framing around the engine.

 

[JPatterson]

Actually it's a Farmall H. On a C, the steering linkage goes next to the engine. An H, the linkage is over this engine as is this one. The H also has the additional framing around the engine.

Ah. My bad. Did notice the frame around the engine and think “I don’t remember that”. Also the absence of hydraulic lift.
Has been a while.

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