Is Maverick 200k miles reliable?

[shark978]

First, I'm not sure if this is the right forum. Hopefully.

I really love the maverick size. and price is nice too. however, i currently drive a 08 gmc canyon 4 cylinder. it has 172k trouble free miles so far and thats basically all city driving (i bought it used in 2013 with 30k miles). well i've replaced a few things like a water pump over the years but all shadetree jobs.

my big concerns with the mav is with the turbo engine (I want the ecoboost, wont consider the hybrid) the mexico build, ford reputation (but then again as above, GMC doesnt have a great rep but mine is going strong), all the new technology in cars today, cheap build/price (altho i dont consider 25k cheap, i get it today it is). i've watched a few mechanic breakdown vids of the mav or other new ford models on yt and they're typically not too kind. i have to admit i often derogatorily think of the Mav as a "tinfoil truck" lol. otoh we have for example my dad who says cars today are generally more reliable than the past and i kinda agree with him there too. it's just the last few years with more environmental regulations and turbo engines i kinda wonder about.

the other big issue is a watched danieldeliverz videos a lot and he had a lot of issues iirc, the big one being his transmission went out (and it seemed ford dealer didnt even really know what to do since the model was just a couple years old at that point) that really spooked me. Yes he put a lot of miles on his but so what, it's not like 100k miles isn't 100k miles regardless over 2 yrs or 10.

the alternative would be to look at other mid size. which are generally huge and seem to be getting bigger, too big for my liking. The Nissan Frontier (which seems a bit smaller than Ranger/Colorado) is one I've looked at. Naturally aspirated 6. Main issues seem to be requires timing chain replace to replace the water pump (bad design) and heavy steering (just the way Nissan tuned it I guess). Theres always Tacoma, but I dont love the styling, and the price is getting up there.

i do love that the mav seems to be actually available for around 26k new now. wasnt the case a couple years ago when i looked at them.

so anyways any thoughts?

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[MavMeister25]

I don’t trust any vehicles over 100k miles. That’s where I sell it to Carmax and put the money down on a new one. Every 6 years. I’ll be doing the same with my new Maverick.

 

[Waterick]

IMO, I really think the hybrid has a better chance of making it to 200k without major problems, but Ford has managed to ensure you will have several lesser ones.

 

[shark978]

I don’t trust any vehicles over 100k miles. That’s where I sell it to Carmax and put the money down on a new one. Every 6 years. I’ll be doing the same with my new Maverick.

Well like I said 172 and counting on my Canyon. My Dad scoffed when I mentioned I was getting up there in miles. He put over 300k on his Tacoma before selling it still running fine AFAIK. The coworker who bought it parked right across from him every day.

I do get your mentality I've heard it before "I'll sell it before it starts having problems and get something else", but it's for people with more money than me lol

 

[Tremor1942]

First, I'm not sure if this is the right forum. Hopefully.

I really love the maverick size. and price is nice too. however, i currently drive a 08 gmc canyon 4 cylinder. it has 172k trouble free miles so far and thats basically all city driving (i bought it used in 2013 with 30k miles). well i've replaced a few things like a water pump over the years but all shadetree jobs.

my big concerns with the mav is with the turbo engine (I want the ecoboost, wont consider the hybrid) the mexico build, ford reputation (but then again as above, GMC doesnt have a great rep but mine is going strong), all the new technology in cars today, cheap build/price (altho i dont consider 25k cheap, i get it today it is). i've watched a few mechanic breakdown vids of the mav or other new ford models on yt and they're typically not too kind. i have to admit i often derogatorily think of the Mav as a "tinfoil truck" lol. otoh we have for example my dad who says cars today are generally more reliable than the past and i kinda agree with him there too. it's just the last few years with more environmental regulations and turbo engines i kinda wonder about.

the other big issue is a watched danieldeliverz videos a lot and he had a lot of issues iirc, the big one being his transmission went out (and it seemed ford dealer didnt even really know what to do since the model was just a couple years old at that point) that really spooked me. Yes he put a lot of miles on his but so what, it's not like 100k miles isn't 100k miles regardless over 2 yrs or 10.

the alternative would be to look at other mid size. which are generally huge and seem to be getting bigger, too big for my liking. The Nissan Frontier (which seems a bit smaller than Ranger/Colorado) is one I've looked at. Naturally aspirated 6. Main issues seem to be requires timing chain replace to replace the water pump (bad design) and heavy steering (just the way Nissan tuned it I guess). Theres always Tacoma, but I dont love the styling, and the price is getting up there.

i do love that the mav seems to be actually available for around 26k new now. wasnt the case a couple years ago when i looked at them.

so anyways any thoughts?

I bought a maverick because it's cheap.... And actually is fun and practical. Reliability was not part of my purchase decision. Planning on owning for 10 years, which is 150k miles. 200k ....no not planning on it.

 

[RR - All the way]

Maverick costs less than most trucks. If you are serious about driving it that many miles consider an extended warranty???? You might take what you save on initial purchase and look at granger ford site for estimates. For example, 175K miles with nine years and $200 deductible is $2900 payable over 18 months with no interest. If you put that mileage on in less years you can get it lower. Not a fan of warranties, but if you know you are keeping the Mav for high mileage, you might consider it. There are various options available.

 

[riparian]

IMO, I really think the hybrid has a better chance of making it to 200k without major problems, but Ford has managed to ensure you will have several lesser ones.

Long term durability is a big deal to me; we keep our vehicles for many years and hundreds of thousands of miles.

We put 250 k in 10 years on our CMax hybrid without major issues. It had an earlier generation of the type of drivetrain used in the Maverick hybrid. I was impressed enough by the reliability, durability, and economy of operation of the hybrid system that we now have an Escape PHEV and a Maverick hybrid.

The 8 year/100,000 mile warranty on the electrical portions of the drivetrain, and the idea that the operation of the Atkinson cycle engine should, if anything, be less demanding than that of a more conventional ICE, give me some peace of mind. My confidence might turn out to be misplaced, but I can only go by my own experience.

 

[inline_five]

If wanting 200k without major drivetrain issues I would only consider the hybrid personally.

 

[shark978]

If wanting 200k without major drivetrain issues I would only consider the hybrid personally.

By the forum complaints i've noticed the hybrid is much less reliable (many fewer hybrids sold, but many more reliability complaints about them) such as cv axle etc. plus it just stands to reason with more complexity.

just checked 18k messages on hybrid problems forum 13k on ecoboost forum (here). But most mavs sold have been ecoboost so the real ratio is much worse

my truck is 17 years old, i will have to replace hybrid battery 2-3 times in that span, at costs of thousands. when i replace my canyon battery it's 100 dollars at wal mart.

 

[mav47]

@shark978

In my opinion: the Hybrid will be the better choice for longevity, and I expect mine to easily last 200k+., likely well beyond that.

I'm at 70k miles now on my 2022 Maverick Hybrid.

The hybrid HF45 transaxle ("transmission") is based on the already proven HF35 and has been used in the CMax, Fusion and Escape hybrids for years. I'm not expecting any issues with it. Just change the fluid, I did mine at 50k, and will do the next change at 100k. This transaxle is basically what's in a Prius: no clutches, no solenoids, no nothing in there to break really. It is far simpler than a conventional transmission.

The Hybrid's engine is a Mazda designed L series 2.5 liter, port injected, non-turbo. This engine has a truly stellar reputation over a couple of decades and is used in many Mazda and some Ford models. Ford licensed the design and now calls it "Duratec". Non-turbo means less general stress on the engine and typically less chance of increased oil consumption, and port injection means no carbon buildup in the intakes. I change my oil at roughly 6500 mile intervals.

And with the Hybrid you have no starter motor and alternator to worry about (the hybrid drive motors in the transaxle take on those roles). The Hybrid's brakes should typically easily last 150k+ miles.

Issues with the Hybrid mostly come down to the stock 12v battery not being able to keep up (simple fix is replacing it with a $140 AGM battery) and the drive axles which Ford now has much beefier updated versions for that are likely gonna outlast the truck. The '25s should already come with upgraded axles. My '22 axles were upgraded under warranty.

The Hybrid (pretty small) high voltage traction battery will almost certainly last the life of the vehicle. But even in the unlikely event that this battery takes a dump at high miles replacement or refurbishment at that time will be significantly cheaper than a conventional transmission replacement would be. Note that Lithium batteries have proven themselves well over the years and the liquid cooled Maverick Hybrid battery should outlast comparable air-cooled Toyota hybrid batteries which are already highly reliable.

Cheers!

 

[ShadowChas]

First, I'm not sure if this is the right forum. Hopefully.

I really love the maverick size. and price is nice too. however, i currently drive a 08 gmc canyon 4 cylinder. it has 172k trouble free miles so far and thats basically all city driving (i bought it used in 2013 with 30k miles). well i've replaced a few things like a water pump over the years but all shadetree jobs.

my big concerns with the mav is with the turbo engine (I want the ecoboost, wont consider the hybrid) the mexico build, ford reputation (but then again as above, GMC doesnt have a great rep but mine is going strong), all the new technology in cars today, cheap build/price (altho i dont consider 25k cheap, i get it today it is). i've watched a few mechanic breakdown vids of the mav or other new ford models on yt and they're typically not too kind. i have to admit i often derogatorily think of the Mav as a "tinfoil truck" lol. otoh we have for example my dad who says cars today are generally more reliable than the past and i kinda agree with him there too. it's just the last few years with more environmental regulations and turbo engines i kinda wonder about.

the other big issue is a watched danieldeliverz videos a lot and he had a lot of issues iirc, the big one being his transmission went out (and it seemed ford dealer didnt even really know what to do since the model was just a couple years old at that point) that really spooked me. Yes he put a lot of miles on his but so what, it's not like 100k miles isn't 100k miles regardless over 2 yrs or 10.

the alternative would be to look at other mid size. which are generally huge and seem to be getting bigger, too big for my liking. The Nissan Frontier (which seems a bit smaller than Ranger/Colorado) is one I've looked at. Naturally aspirated 6. Main issues seem to be requires timing chain replace to replace the water pump (bad design) and heavy steering (just the way Nissan tuned it I guess). Theres always Tacoma, but I dont love the styling, and the price is getting up there.

i do love that the mav seems to be actually available for around 26k new now. wasnt the case a couple years ago when i looked at them.

so anyways any thoughts?

I’m over 110k miles on mine w/o any issues (other than radio & rear camera which are not reliability issues ). If you keep regular maintenance and don’t beat it

First, I'm not sure if this is the right forum. Hopefully.

I really love the maverick size. and price is nice too. however, i currently drive a 08 gmc canyon 4 cylinder. it has 172k trouble free miles so far and thats basically all city driving (i bought it used in 2013 with 30k miles). well i've replaced a few things like a water pump over the years but all shadetree jobs.

my big concerns with the mav is with the turbo engine (I want the ecoboost, wont consider the hybrid) the mexico build, ford reputation (but then again as above, GMC doesnt have a great rep but mine is going strong), all the new technology in cars today, cheap build/price (altho i dont consider 25k cheap, i get it today it is). i've watched a few mechanic breakdown vids of the mav or other new ford models on yt and they're typically not too kind. i have to admit i often derogatorily think of the Mav as a "tinfoil truck" lol. otoh we have for example my dad who says cars today are generally more reliable than the past and i kinda agree with him there too. it's just the last few years with more environmental regulations and turbo engines i kinda wonder about.

the other big issue is a watched danieldeliverz videos a lot and he had a lot of issues iirc, the big one being his transmission went out (and it seemed ford dealer didnt even really know what to do since the model was just a couple years old at that point) that really spooked me. Yes he put a lot of miles on his but so what, it's not like 100k miles isn't 100k miles regardless over 2 yrs or 10.

the alternative would be to look at other mid size. which are generally huge and seem to be getting bigger, too big for my liking. The Nissan Frontier (which seems a bit smaller than Ranger/Colorado) is one I've looked at. Naturally aspirated 6. Main issues seem to be requires timing chain replace to replace the water pump (bad design) and heavy steering (just the way Nissan tuned it I guess). Theres always Tacoma, but I dont love the styling, and the price is getting up there.

i do love that the mav seems to be actually available for around 26k new now. wasnt the case a couple years ago when i looked at them.

so anyways any thoughts?

Yes, if you’re not beating on it and performing regular maintenance should have nothing to worry about (there’s always exceptions) however I have over 110k miles on mine I bought new in fall of 2021 without any reliability issues (just the radio and rear camera and recall stuff).

 

[shark978]

@shark978

In my opinion: the Hybrid will be the better choice for longevity, and I expect mine to easily last 200k+., likely well beyond that.

I'm at 70k miles now on my 2022 Maverick Hybrid.

The hybrid HF45 transaxle ("transmission") is based on the already proven HF35 and has been used in the CMax and Escape hybrids for years. I'm not expecting any issues with it. Just change the fluid, I did mine at 50k, and will do the next change at 100k. This transaxle is basically what's in a Prius: no clutches, no solenoids, no nothing in there to break really. It is far simpler than a conventional transmission.

The Hybrid's engine is a Mazda designed L series 2.5 liter, port injected, non-turbo. This engine has a truly stellar reputation over a couple of decades. Ford licenced the design and now calls it "Duratec". Non-turbo means less general stress on the engine and typically less chance of increased oil consumption, and port injection means no carbon buildup in the intakes. I change my oil at roughly 6500 mile intervals.

And with the Hybrid you have no starter motor and alternator to worry about (the hybrid drive motors in the transaxle take on those roles). The Hybrid's brakes should typically easily last 150k+ miles.

Issues with the Hybrid mostly come down to the stock 12v battery drain (simple fix is replacing it with an AGM battery) and the drive axles which Ford now has much beefier updated versions for that are likely gonna outlast the truck. The '25s should already come with upgraded axles.

The Hybrid (pretty small) high voltage traction battery will almost certainly last the life of the vehicle. But even in the unlikely event that this battery takes a dump at high miles replacement or refurbishment at that time will be significantly cheaper than a conventional transmission replacement would be. Note that Lithium batteries have proven themselves well over the years and the liquid cooled Maverick Hybrid battery should outlast comparable air-cooled Toyota hybrid batteries which are already highly reliable.

Cheers!

maybe the last part true, but ford warranties the battery exactly as long as they are required to by law lol. 8 years. and, they are only required to replace with same wear. so if your battery goes out in warranty and had 70% capacity left, they can give you a refurb with 70%.

most ppl dont keep a car 8 yrs. but again my current vehicle is 17 yrs old and running great! i keep mine a long time or at least like to have that option.

I am pretty sure there is no possible way the battery is lasting much beyond ~10 yrs. I dont think even Tesla expect that (the reason EV resale is lower than ICE) and they are much more advanced than ford. With batteries miles are not the enemy, it's much more sneaky, the calendar is! your battery degrades sitting in the driveway (as well as heat, its probably 120 in my texas garage in the summer)

Google says replacement cost is between 2000 and 8000. fairly meaningless tbh. the thing is mavericks are too new to get much read on battery replacement.

anyways, main thing i desire besides simplicity is the power the ecoboost offers. it should be a nice upgrade from the 180 horses i have now. If Ford offered a 12+ year factory warranty on the hybrid battery it'd be a lot more palatable to me. considering it still has a whole gas motor to worry about like normal. it's just an extra factor i shouldn't have to worry about.

the gas savings just doesnt mean anything too me. say, 25 vs 35 miles to the gallon, with me driving 12k miles a year, paying 2.30 for gas in tx. heck i did the calculations and even savings from a tesla (so, no gas) would be negligible to me. after you figure up electricity costs (granted Mav hasnt), tx increased annual registration fee on ev's, etc. well i figured it up right now and the hybrid mav would save me $300 a year. not nothing, but thats going to be eaten by the battery replacement down the line and then some.

 

[shark978]

I’m over 110k miles on mine w/o any issues (other than radio & rear camera which are not reliability issues ). If you keep regular maintenance and don’t beat it
Yes, if you’re not beating on it and performing regular maintenance should have nothing to worry about (there’s always exceptions) however I have over 110k miles on mine I bought new in fall of 2021 without any reliability issues (just the radio and rear camera and recall stuff).

Very nice. And you'd think the newer ones have the kinks worked out.

Seems like deals I'm seeing are on 24's tho, and the 25's got the new "fixed" cv axle. I'd have to look into that though.

 

[matmondro]

I think an Ecoboost Mav could be reliable at 200k miles, but it really all comes down to the maintenance. Best bet is to follow the "severe" maintenance schedule at all times. Yes, that will bring maintenance costs up a little bit, but I'd consider it as insurance really.

The 2.0L, despite some revisions over the years, has been in the Ford lineup for quite some time now. Valve buildup due to EGR and direct injection is something that needs to be addressed, but could probably be considered maintenance. I'd probably just do it when changing the coolant while the system is drained to make things a little easier.

 

[todd92]

Change the oil and filter every 1000 miles and all of the other fluids every 10,000 and you'll make 200,000 no problem.

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