Would you buy an EV maverick for 25-30k?

[Gonzo chris]

You have a good day as well.
I will disagree with you regarding the climate. I'm 54 and it's a lot worse than it was when I was born. Just saw a show on Netflix. 70% of the wildlife that was here 50 years ago is gone. Coral reefs are almost gone etc. I'm not planning on moving to Mars lol.
Apologies if I misrepresented something you said. I don't think the government can mandate you driving EV, but they could mandate a ban on ICE. Not saying they should but I think they could. They ban lots of things

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[Mav_RICK]

You have a good day as well.
I will disagree with you regarding the climate. I'm 54 and it's a lot worse than it was when I was born. Just saw a show on Netflix. 70% of the wildlife that was here 50 years ago is gone. Coral reefs are almost gone etc. I'm not planning on moving to Mars lol.
Apologies if I misrepresented something you said. I don't think the government can mandate you driving EV, but they could mandate a ban on ICE. Not saying they should but I think they could. They ban lots of things

I think there is ALOT of one sided propaganda on Netflix. I’m 64 and yes I do believe the climate has changed. I believe it’s possible we play some role in that along with that big red ball in the sky. I also believe one of these days people might once again be hearing about the pending ice age if we don’t move in to little huts with tiny electric cars and tiny heaters. Who really knows? I’ll ignore that too.

I would be interested in a 40k EV Maverick. We will never see one below that price. I still say Ford should have done that instead of the Lightning.

 

[Gonzo chris]

I think there is ALOT of one sided propaganda on Netflix. I’m 64 and yes I do believe the climate has changed. I believe it’s possible we play some role in that along with that big red ball in the sky. I also believe one of these days people might once again be hearing about the pending ice age if we don’t move in to little huts with tiny electric cars and tiny heaters. Who really knows? I’ll ignore that too.

I would be interested in a 40k EV Maverick. We will never see one below that price. I still say Ford should have done that instead of the Lightning.

Yeah, I mean I don't think the sun has changed that much in the last 80 years, it seems that the climate temperature changed coincides almost perfectly with the industrial age and more output. Don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of electricity and all that... As for Netflix, it was Morgan Freeman narrating it and since he's usually the voice of God. I'm going to have to trust him lol. As for heaters, it's funny I got rid of my oil boiler and my father-in-law still doesn't understand how I hate the house and winter... Tried to explain how Mitsubishi hyperheat heat pumps work and I get 85% of my BTU heating capacity down to -15°, but he just made some sort of sound like "aaah" and dismissed me with a wave of the hand
I actually wanted to get the EB Maverick with AWD, more power and independent suspension but I do mostly suburban stop and go driving and on another thread here I'm looking at a guy who doesn't live far from me is only getting around 18 to 20 MPG. So that does make the hybrid a little more appealing I guess. Cheers!

 

[nunyabz]

No... Take the federal subsides away (yours and my tax dollars) and see how many of these EV's survive. If they cannot stand on there own merits, let them fail.

 

[Gonzo chris]

No... Take the federal subsides away (yours and my tax dollars) and see how many of these BEV's survive. If they cannot stand on there own merits, let them fail.

Again, it's a fundamental disagreement on if there's a roleof government in any of it. I don't want them running everything but I do think sometimes the market will just choose what's best for the person's pocketbook and I get that. Do you believe that if we were given the options of emissions controls back in the 70s, people would have voluntarily bought them?
Besides that though, if they would give you the true price of a gallon of gas and get rid of all the subsidies in that market, I wouldn't maybe agree with you then. Let Exxon mobile make their own aircraft carrier fleet to ensure the flow of oil through the Persian Gulf and then they can pass that cost on per gallon of gas

 

[Hunters Edge]

900 miles? Lol , so at 70mph average that's about 13 hours straight driving without a 10 minute break. Yup most people do that every day...... AGAIN nobody reasonable is saying EVs are best or even suitable for all cases but they are suitable for many.
There are batteries that fast charge to 80% in less than 20 so getting there. Yes battery cost is high which is a problem for the 2nd owner. A 50" inch flat screen was once very expensive. The answer is to work on the issue not say American companies are too stupid to figure it out.

Is that why many if not all are refraining from EV. Just read this article about Toyota which is that manufacturer who said they had a battery that could go 720 miles. Better look at why manufacturers are not throwing everything in on EV?

https://electrek.co/2024/03/01/toyota-says-it-would-rather-buy-credits-than-waste-money-on-evs/

 

[tbradway]

I know I would, probably to go alongside our hybrid. This is Ford's affordable electric vehicle platform, internally called CE1, created by a very talented team of ex apple and Tesla engineers. It's apparently going to be used for an electric maverick and bronco sport, likely other vehicles as well.

I know 25-30k seems too good to be true, but Ford seems very committed to delivering at this price point.

I would rather have a plug in hybrid that goes 40-50 miles on a charge . It would only require a slightly larger battery and charge controller at a small cost over hybrid. Why pay thousands for a giant 280 mile range battery when ave person only drives less than 50 miles a day, On trips i would use gas with 600 mile range no stopping and searching for chargers. guess what that 600 mile trip costs me $45 in gas and guess what ! at 30 cents a killowat for highway chargers and ave 3 miles per killowatt thats $60 in electricity . Not to mention the 3 stops for charging wasting another hour.
No thanks.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

Seriously, my investments are run mostly by a professional not me. People with your thought process are going to be dying off. US manufacturers have retreated from Europe, GM sells more cars in China ( and they're all in in EVs) than the US. I think the "big 3" should keep making gas cars and hybrids but if they listen to you they'll be out of business in 15 years.

If they listen to Merry Berry, they'll be out of business WAY sooner than that.

 

[Mav_RICK]

I would rather have a plug in hybrid that goes 40-50 miles on a charge . It would only require a slightly larger battery and charge controller at a small cost over hybrid. Why pay thousands for a giant 280 mile range battery when ave person only drives less than 50 miles a day, On trips i would use gas with 600 mile range no stopping and searching for chargers. guess what that 600 mile trip costs me $45 in gas and guess what ! at 30 cents a killowat for highway chargers and ave 3 miles per killowatt thats $60 in electricity . Not to mention the 3 stops for charging wasting another hour.
No thanks.

Except a PHEV is not just slightly more expensive than a hybrid. It's usually a few to several thousand dollars more. PHEVs do not get as good of gas milage as a hybrid when running the ICE. The ICE in a PHEV runs more than people might expect and you still have to pay for the electricity for those electric only miles. Then to top it off you still have the ICE engine so a more complex system and maintenance to go with it. I don't know it just seems to me it makes little sense to go to PHEV when you have hybrid technology. Stepping up to EV from hybrid seems more sensible or just stick with hybrid. I think hybrid sales vis PHEV sales kind of make the case that hybrid is best for most people.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

I don't know. I think both sides of the aisle always leave Congress rich if they're not already before they get there. I'm not saying none of them or not. Even most of them are uncorrupt. I'm just saying I don't think that's the purpose of these mandates. I think the fossil fuel industry has had a lot of power in congress and the government due to the fact that they dump a lot of money into elections.

Check online. See how much money (hint: MORE than $1.5 MILLLION$) Senator Grassley and his son and grandson have received from the farm subsidies. Chuckie has been in Washington for a hundred years. When did he farm? His grand son has been in the Iowa legislature for his whole life . . . priming him for grandpa's job. When did he farm?
Their names are on the deeds. Their names are on the checks.
ADMIN, if too political just dump this. But it is true.

 

[TomD]

Infrastructure? How often does your electricity go out?

My electricity goes out when the wind blows.
What I am referring to are places you will need when you are on a trip that are not in place yet, being maintained properly or your plug doesn’t fit the available station. I know Ford is sending out adapters to fit the Tesla chargers but will you do when you are hopefully 200 miles down the road and it’s time to charge and you left your adapter at the last place that you charged your vehicle? Don’t say that this ridiculous. It will happen. As much as people don’t like the idea Washington needs to get involved so that there will be some standards so all consumers are on the same page.
The days of coasting down hills because the F250 that only had a 12 gallon tank doesn’t exist anymore. There are gas stations almost everywhere. When there are chargers available on par with gas stations I will consider an electric vehicle.

 

[Snox801]

Yeah I'm not a super big Tesla fan and it's not because of Elon. It's more the build quality and the company. And if I lived in a really rural climate depending on what I did I wouldn't get one. A buddy of mine is retired and he chose an RV around. He has a one ton GMC diesel pickup. I would never recommend he get an EV. I think Teslas biggest contribution is that the vehicle can be fun and not just like a Nissan leaf. The only place I disagree a bit with you is I do think part of it is being done for the sake of the climate. And that is not to say there's no environmental issues with EV production. I argue with the EV fanatics on those sites occasionally who say their best for everything. Like I don't put on a lot of miles and It's environmentally more damaging to make an EV than a gas car and depending how your electricity is generated for the first X number of miles the EV would be worse for the environment. Like maybe the crossover point is 40,000 mi. If your electricity is generated from coal, if a lot of it is from your own rooftop solar it's probably a lot quicker. I do like the idea of being able to plug my car in and charge it from my roof.
So assuming I get a Maverick, my biggest debate is going to be hybrid versus EB. As with most things there's a trade-off. I want the gas mileage of the hybrid but I would like to be able to AWD and I really would like to have the independent suspension in the rear.....

This is correct. The average crossover is 70k in most cases. Which would be a benefit for someone who drives a lot. Now if running e85 that range goes way up. Or like stated charging with solar. Comes way down.
Now my big problem is the fact they are forcing them in the name of climate. My point is if they let them gain popularity by just being better like all previous forms of transportation perfect. But the market is always better at sorting it out.
Plus we have better ways to clean up the emissions also. Two things can be tru at once. Yes ev can help with fuel by lowering demand for fuel by people that have short trips. While at the same time advancing ice engines.
Imagine how clean we could have ice engines if the hundreds of billions granted by the government went into research of cleaner ice engines.

 

[Snox801]

You have a good day as well.
I will disagree with you regarding the climate. I'm 54 and it's a lot worse than it was when I was born. Just saw a show on Netflix. 70% of the wildlife that was here 50 years ago is gone. Coral reefs are almost gone etc. I'm not planning on moving to Mars lol.
Apologies if I misrepresented something you said. I don't think the government can mandate you driving EV, but they could mandate a ban on ICE. Not saying they should but I think they could. They ban lots of things

Well you did say Netflix so totally reliable. In fact we as people have very little to do with the climate. In fact latest data says we have stabilized and should be heading for the next 240 year cooling cycle.
The earth has warmed and cooled before. Things come and go as that changes with or without humans.

 

[Snox801]

This has some well respected climatologists in it. Been covered by John stosell also. But watch with a grain of salt also. But seems to be made with true experts in the field unlike most things done by Netflix.

 

[Gonzo chris]

My electricity goes out when the wind blows.
What I am referring to are places you will need when you are on a trip that are not in place yet, being maintained properly or your plug doesn’t fit the available station. I know Ford is sending out adapters to fit the Tesla chargers but will you do when you are hopefully 200 miles down the road and it’s time to charge and you left your adapter at the last place that you charged your vehicle? Don’t say that this ridiculous. It will happen. As much as people don’t like the idea Washington needs to get involved so that there will be some standards so all consumers are on the same page.
The days of coasting down hills because the F250 that only had a 12 gallon tank doesn’t exist anymore. There are gas stations almost everywhere. When there are chargers available on par with gas stations I will consider an electric vehicle.

Oh yeah, if you take a lot of road trips and areas where there's no chargers I wouldn't want an EV either. But I think I said before it's a not let the perfect be at the enemy of the good situation. If I towed something a decent distance I would never think about getting an EV. I'm saying sitting on my street right now looking at all the suburban vehicles here and where most of these people probably go day to day they would probably work just fine. I've had one incident where the electricity was out more than one hour in the last 3 years at my house. So I guess it depends on your area

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