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[Maverick Life]

The 12 volt battery does NOT, NOT, NOT start the hybrid. The 12 volt powers the ECU, lights, radio etc.
The traction battery, the BIG HIGH VOLTAGE ONE, starts the ICE in the hybrid. Not enough juice in the 12 volt, no start without a jump. Not enough in the traction battery to spin the ICE, SCREWED.

I'd like to learn more about this. Can you point me to where you came across that information? It certainly sounds reasonable under healthy vehicle conditions.

I noticed that the owner's manual directs hybrid owners to make use of a booster vehicle's 12V connections when it's necessary to jump start the hybrid. It even indicates to leave both engines running for 3 mins after starting. To me that suggests that the 12V battery may function as a redundant backup starter in the event of a dead traction battery. Not sure how jump starting off a 12V booster could work if that capability isn't there. Maybe the resource you found has more details about such scenarios?

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[Ranch]

If the number of EV's on the road increase to the point that the demand for gasoline decreases significantly, what would that do to the price at the pumps?

If the price drops a large amount would that affect the value of an EcoBoost Maverick when compared to a hybrid?

 

[Billkowski]

If the number of EV's on the road increase to the point that the demand for gasoline decreases significantly, what would that do to the price at the pumps?

If the price drops a large amount would that affect the value of an EcoBoost Maverick when compared to a hybrid?

It probably would, but hybrid/ev purchases are still just a drop in the bucket of new car purchases not to mention all the gas cars already out there, it would likely be a while before that scenario takes hold. Of course with govt mandates, it may be quicker than we might predict.

 

[JBryant]

I have read all the answers, now here is mine. I took out my crystal ball, rubbed it twice and asked that question. Answer was "your guess is as good as mine." Next question.

 

[Bob The Builder]

I have read all the answers, now here is mine. I took out my crystal ball, rubbed it twice and asked that question. Answer was "your guess is as good as mine." Next question.

I am NOT a mind reader. I just play one on the internet.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

I'd like to learn more about this. Can you point me to where you came across that information? It certainly sounds reasonable under healthy vehicle conditions.

I noticed that the owner's manual directs hybrid owners to make use of a booster vehicle's 12V connections when it's necessary to jump start the hybrid. It even indicates to leave both engines running for 3 mins after starting. To me that suggests that the 12V battery may function as a redundant backup starter in the event of a dead traction battery. Not sure how jump starting off a 12V booster could work if that capability isn't there. Maybe the resource you found has more details about such scenarios?

Watch Youtube videos about the transmission/power train. It will mention the starter/generator which is enclosed in the transaxle case.

 

[Maverick Life]

Watch Youtube videos about the transmission/power train. It will mention the starter/generator which is enclosed in the transaxle case.

Ok yeah - I've seen several of these and I'm roughly familiar with the dual motor eCVT design. There's a clear linkage from the transaxle module to the HVB. What's less clear is how the 12v system including that battery is linked into the powertrain.

It seems unlikely that the 12v system is totally independent. After all - the 12v battery does get recharged somehow during vehicle operation right? Maybe there's a dc converter between the two batteries or maybe a more direct linkage to the axle. Regardless, there appears to be some kind of power/energy exchange to/from the engine and the 12v battery under normal circumstances. If that's the case, it seems reasonable that Ford's design for the hybrid would accommodate starting the ICE on power supplied from the 12v battery alone - even if the HVB won't take a charge.

Granted - things that sound reasonable and the way things actually are don't always line up the way I anticipate.

 

[Montana]

Hybrids hold their values but not for reliability reasons. It's more of a supply/demand reason.

Having bought one in the past, an Escape Hybrid with the same platform as the Mav's... I won't be doing it again. Everything is great at the pump until you need to replace something. Now you are factoring in two systems instead of one. I also enjoyed the CVT in the Escape but those are another can of worms too. I could only compare that CVT with one I previously had in a Subaru Crosstrek that was a total piece of . At least the ones Ford uses actually work like a CVT should and don't try to compensate for shifting like Subaru does. Plus, recalls and such can have a major factor on this and it's not really looking too great for FORD's hybrid tech currently. - which I experienced first hand. I would have been shocked if that thing got me to 70k without major issues that cost a pretty penny.

That said... DI turbo aint much better lol.

But the basics of supply and demand are what this is all about, and anything can happen. If I recall correctly, some more informed users mentioned we (as a nation) were at a very low point for vehicle costs for a long time, now it's back up again like it was around the 70's/early 80's? Seems to be the norm for America. We are up, then we're down. Rollercoaster economy.

 

[tom_tucker]

Resale value duddent matter much to me. I don't plan on investing much in the car after the initial setup. We're splitting hairs here. Playing Tiddlywinks. Cost of doing business, I say. I'm a low end guy and this is a low end pickup.

The Maverick is Kendall-Jackson, not Barrett-Jackson. Run it like you stole it!

 

[Bushpilot]

My perspective on this, as limited as it may be, is that with electric/hybrid vehicles, 3-4 years into their life have already lost the complete capabilties it had when new, a 3-4 year old gas vehicle still pretty much does everything it did when new. Electrics lose range, if you had 30 miles of all electric when new, after 4 years you might only have 20 for example. I just kinda think that might turn off a used car buyer-it would me. Not to mention new battery tech that may make the stuff made now obsolete. Maybe those batteries dont degrade as much as I think they do. I guess I need to go look at used Prius values.

Edit: Ok looked up Prius values, they actually do pretty well. That might be helped by the Toyota badge, but still encouraging for hybrid owners.

I own a 2013 Volt with 120k miles, and see absolutely no diminishment of battery capacity.

To the question of whether a hybrid will work with a dying battery, I believe in most it will continue to work like a non-hybrid. (Unfortunately, my Volt will not, when I lose a single cell the car will quit.)

 

[Montana]

I own a 2013 Volt with 120k miles, and see absolutely no diminishment of battery capacity.

To the question of whether a hybrid will work with a dying battery, I believe in most it will continue to work like a non-hybrid. (Unfortunately, my Volt will not, when I lose a single cell the car will quit.)

Yea they just hold less charge is all. Everything still works. You are just going to get less from the EV stuff due to the low battery capacity. I don't see why you couldn't just replace said battery and be good to go. The only other reason would be some issue with something else related to that system. But as long as the battery is holding some kind of charge, it's going to power things as much as it can.

 

[yoyomav]

Hybrids hold their values but not for reliability reasons. It's more of a supply/demand reason.

Having bought one in the past, an Escape Hybrid with the same platform as the Mav's... I won't be doing it again. Everything is great at the pump until you need to replace something. Now you are factoring in two systems instead of one. I also enjoyed the CVT in the Escape but those are another can of worms too. I could only compare that CVT with one I previously had in a Subaru Crosstrek that was a total piece of . At least the ones Ford uses actually work like a CVT should and don't try to compensate for shifting like Subaru does. Plus, recalls and such can have a major factor on this and it's not really looking too great for FORD's hybrid tech currently. - which I experienced first hand. I would have been shocked if that thing got me to 70k without major issues that cost a pretty penny.

That said... DI turbo aint much better lol.

But the basics of supply and demand are what this is all about, and anything can happen. If I recall correctly, some more informed users mentioned we (as a nation) were at a very low point for vehicle costs for a long time, now it's back up again like it was around the 70's/early 80's? Seems to be the norm for America. We are up, then we're down. Rollercoaster economy.

Maverick CVT has absolutely nothing in common with Subaru CVT. It's more like a electric motor / generator with very little moving parts. No metal belt unlike the subaru CVT.

 

[Montana]

Maverick CVT has absolutely nothing in common with Subaru CVT. It's more like a electric motor / generator with very little moving parts. No metal belt unlike the subaru CVT.

Yea that thing was garbage! Have you ever driven one with the CVT? The "shifting" is so weird.

 

[Halo9x]

I have a Tinted/clearcoat/metallic/Hot-pepper red lariat HYBRID with power moon/Roof and copilot 360 and trailer hitch that has been trouble/free nice ride! I carried it to car max the other day and got it appraised, Now it has 23,000 mi on it and 15 m0,s old and they give me a appraised price on paper for 35,000 good for 12 days now i give 31,000 out the door 15 mo's ago. So to me i don't know of any vehicle that will appraise "WHOLESALE" for more than you give for it 15 mo's ago w/23,000 miles on it and they wanted it bad to me and i am 70 yrs old so i have been around the block a few times, This is "INSANE"

I paid $22K for my ‘21 Corolla SE and got $21.5K for trade in on my Maverick! Not a bad deal. The Mav was being sold for $41.5K, so the high trade in really helped. I wound up financing just over $18K.

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