UPR Billet Catch Can for Ford Maverick

[Tbone289]

I have 148K miles on the 2.0 Ti-VCT in my Focus, and have had no DI issues to speak of, but it has been maintained far better than Ford recommendations. Considering the increased pressures in the Ecoboost 2.0, I think catch cans are a good preventative measure, but I don't expect them to catch everything.

I find UPR's clean design more attractive than others I've considered, mostly because it uses factory connections that are easy to reverse back to stock if needed.

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[Rick65]

AI is correct. That is what an oil separator does, but not with 100% efficiency. It allows oil mist to drain back into the crankcase as crank case gases and oil vapor exit the crankcase through the PCV valve. These gases are what are routed through the dirty side catch can, and then to the intake manifold. Particles in these gases are what builds up on the back side of the intake valves, and are what the catch can reduces on the way to the intake manifold. Contrary to your belief, "Dirty side" catch cans are effective at catching particles and oil vapors that the oil separator did not catch and send back to the sump.

My apologies for coming off as rude. I don't tolerate false information being spread in public forums well, especially when it is to the detriment of suppliers who are providing effective products to the community which that forum represents. I want suppliers with effective products like UPR to thrive so that I have a supply and support of those products available to me for as many years as I own a Maverick.

It is false to state that the catch can comes before the oil separator. The oil separator is the very first part that the crankcase gases route through, then the PCV valve, then PCV tube (or catch can if you have one), then the intake manifold.

It is false to state that the catch can doesn't connect to the intake manifold. That is exactly where the output of the catch can connects.

I do not work for the OCC industry. I'm just an engineer that has been working on vehicles for over 30 years. To effectively work on modern vehicles, these systems must be understood. Frankly, it saddens me that the certified mechanic you relied on to explain the PCV system to you doesn't understand them.

Tbone289, I admire your patience. You sound very knowledgeable so maybe you have some insight into this: I installed a dirty and clean side catch can on my Ecoboost about 6 months (6,000 miles) ago. I get about 25% full on the dirty side after about 3,000 miles. But other than a very tiny amount of oil the first week on the clean side (so little it couldn't even be poured out, like maybe 3 or 4 drops of oil that just dried at the bottom of the can), I don't get anything from that clean-side can—not even after about 6,000 miles. I've read you just don't get as much from that side, but I figured I would get something. It is installed correctly and the hose I used is strong enough that I highly doubt the hose is collapsing closed or something. I'm just wondering if the pressure is so high on the clean side that any oil mist is just getting sucked right into the exit tube, after it goes through the filter media instead of falling to the bottom of the can? If you have any knowledge in this area, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Tbone289]

@Rick65, what you're describing is an ideal situation from the perspective of a PCV system, especially on a turbocharged engine, and would lead me to believe that your driving habits don't include a lot of high turbocharger (heavy throttle) loads. Would you agree with that? Typically the "clean" or breather side of the PCV system won't collect much oil vapor in either a naturally aspirated engine, or a turbocharged engine that doesn't experience high turbo loads.

I would not suspect collapsed tubing, as you likely would have oil sealing leaks or noticeable oil consumption due to increased crank case pressures if that were the case. I would also not suspect that oil vapor is bypassing the can and its media, but that could easily be checked by looking for oil collecting in the outlet tube of the catch can.

Wikipedia has a very thorough explanation of these systems under "Crankcase ventilation system". I recommend reading the entire Positive Crankcase Ventilation section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crankcase_ventilation_system

 

[Rick65]

@Rick65, what you're describing is an ideal situation from the perspective of a PCV system, especially on a turbocharged engine, and would lead me to believe that your driving habits don't include a lot of high turbocharger (heavy throttle) loads. Would you agree with that? Typically the "clean" or breather side of the PCV system won't collect much oil vapor in either a naturally aspirated engine, or a turbocharged engine that doesn't experience high turbo loads.

I would not suspect collapsed tubing, as you likely would have oil sealing leaks or noticeable oil consumption due to increased crank case pressures if that were the case. I would also not suspect that oil vapor is bypassing the can and its media, but that could easily be checked by looking for oil collecting in the outlet tube of the catch can.

Wikipedia has a very thorough explanation of these systems under "Crankcase ventilation system". I recommend reading the entire Positive Crankcase Ventilation section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crankcase_ventilation_system

Thanks for the reply. You are correct that I’m not very heavy footed with this vehicle, nothing like how I drove when I was 20 in my ‘89 Mustang GT 5.0. Such a fun car, miracle I’m still alive. But anyway, that is probably why so little being caught on the clean side. I will check the exit tube though to see if any oil residue. I’ll check out that article as well. Thanks for the info!

 

[AlpineKid74]

@Rick65, what you're describing is an ideal situation from the perspective of a PCV system, especially on a turbocharged engine, and would lead me to believe that your driving habits don't include a lot of high turbocharger (heavy throttle) loads. Would you agree with that? Typically the "clean" or breather side of the PCV system won't collect much oil vapor in either a naturally aspirated engine, or a turbocharged engine that doesn't experience high turbo loads.

I would not suspect collapsed tubing, as you likely would have oil sealing leaks or noticeable oil consumption due to increased crank case pressures if that were the case. I would also not suspect that oil vapor is bypassing the can and its media, but that could easily be checked by looking for oil collecting in the outlet tube of the catch can.

Wikipedia has a very thorough explanation of these systems under "Crankcase ventilation system". I recommend reading the entire Positive Crankcase Ventilation section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crankcase_ventilation_system

We are going to be getting our 2025 Maverick 2.0L

sometime in January 2025. I have emailed UPR Products and asked them about the Catch Cans and they stated that I should put them both on. After reading what has been stated, it sounds like something that needs to be done.

If I am understanding this correctly, the Catch Can, dirty side mainly, is bypassing the engine PCV and putting it up so that the oil is separated a lot better then what is on the engine now.

Meaning that the Catch Can is better than Fords system.

My next concern is the warranty, if I have to take the Maverick in for a problem after I install this, is the dealer going state that because the Catch Can has been installed, Ford is not going to fix anything.

I do get into it some, like getting on to the expressway. I put my foot into it. I am doing 80 plus as soon as I can. I do not get on doing 55 mph and take 2 miles to get to 75 mph like a lot of drivers do. They must be trying to really get good fuel mileage. When I do this in my 2015 Dodge Grand Caravan with 3.6 I do get a burnt oil smell or at least bad fumes when I get out of it. Maybe it needs a Catch Can on it. But we are going to get rid of it when the Maverick gets here.

When I do drive on the turnpike, 80-90 & 76 in PA, I stay around 80mph or I stay up with the others that are do better than that. The Catch Can will help, am I correct? I might stay at that speed for 3 or so hours before needing to take a break.

Not going to be putting the Catch Can on right away because it is cold up here in Northern Michigan, -6 degrees while I am writing this.

 

[Tbone289]

We are going to be getting our 2025 Maverick 2.0L

sometime in January 2025. I have emailed UPR Products and asked them about the Catch Cans and they stated that I should put them both on. After reading what has been stated, it sounds like something that needs to be done.

I wouldn't categorize it as a "need", necessarily. It will help keep the intake valves cleaner. It is less of a need for a 2025 Ecoboost, due to the 2025 now having port fuel injectors (in addition to direct injection) that clean the back side of the valves with fuel additives. 2022-24 2.0 Ecoboost engines lack the additional port injectors to clean the valves.

If I am understanding this correctly, the Catch Can, dirty side mainly, is bypassing the engine PCV and putting it up so that the oil is separated a lot better then what is on the engine now.

Meaning that the Catch Can is better than Fords system.

Catch cans don't bypass anything. The catch cans are an addition to Ford's system. The oil separator, PCV, and breather systems are still in place, the catch can is just helping trap liquids suspended in the crank case vapors within the system that are not completely removed by the separator. One catch can is mounted inline with the PCV ("dirty") side of the system, and one is mounted inline with the breather ("clean") side of the system.

My next concern is the warranty, if I have to take the Maverick in for a problem after I install this, is the dealer going state that because the Catch Can has been installed, Ford is not going to fix anything.

I'm not going to interject here, but I would encourage you to read up on the Magusson-Moss act. It is how the FTC governs warranties on consumer products.

 

[AlpineKid74]

UPR catch can install video

You have had the Catch Can on now for close to a year.
What are your thoughts on their use?

 

[AlpineKid74]

What do you think of it? I installed both clean and dirty catch cans from UPR about 2k miles ago now. Reserving my thoughts so I don't skew your opinion.

You have had the Catch Can on now for close to a year.
What are your thoughts on their use?

 

[A.Bursell]

You have had the Catch Can on now for close to a year.
What are your thoughts on their use?

The only thing I wish was different is that the can was bigger so I didn't have to empty it every 1000 miles in the winter (YMMV). I'm very happy that all the nasty stuff is not going back in the engine, just nice clean air and fuel. Can't say whether it makes a real world difference in longevity or anything, but certainly makes me feel better. I like it.

 

[Tbone289]

@A.Bursell, are you finding much of anything in the breather (clean) side, or mostly just the PCV (dirty) side? I know someone on MTC mentioned that the breather side can really wasn't worth having, but I can't remember if that was you.

 

[A.Bursell]

@A.Bursell, are you finding much of anything in the breather (clean) side, or mostly just the PCV (dirty) side? I know someone on MTC mentioned that the breather side can really wasn't worth having, but I can't remember if that was you.

Not much. But, it might be different if you're towing or getting into boost a lot. I pretty much just drive mine like a commuter.

 

[Tbone289]

Not much. But, it might be different if you're towing or getting into boost a lot. I pretty much just drive mine like a commuter.

Thanks for letting me know. It's good to hear comments from actual use and not just theory. I agree that it would be more beneficial under heavier loads (see post #63).

 

[AlpineKid74]

The clean side can usually doesn't catch much oil/moisture/etc. I think if you really get into boost and hard acceleration is when the clean side may catch some nastiness.

I have been known to 'get into boost' when I get on the expressway. Or if I have to pass a slowpoke on the 2-lane.

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