Tremor tow vs 4k tow package

[NoVaJimmy]

Yeah, I do not use those either. We are like doctors…No two will agree. But I would prefer to rely on opinions in things like 2nd Restatement rather than Motor Trend.

But I do not disagree with the premise…that all kinds of things can form the basis of a plaintiff’s negligence claim. But obviously plaintiff has to prove that the negligence was the cause of the injury. So, the over manufacturer recommended weight would have to be a cause. More likely than not, it was one’s failure to pay attention, speeding, distracted driving, or other cause…

Even under the manufacture’s recommended weight, if you fail to stop to avoid an accident…you have a negligence problem.

This is just not a big deal…although everyone gets to make their own risk decisions. I would rather my clients drive at a speed that allows them to avoid an accident, stay off the phone, and quit drinking at all, before I worry about their trailer weight.

If you're a lawyer and want the tremor factor why not just buy a ranger tremor and satisfy both? Seems like a negligible price difference to open one's self up to the possibility of a lawsuit

Sponsored

 

[Saxapl]

If you're a lawyer and want the tremor factor why not just buy a ranger tremor and satisfy both? Seems like a negligible price difference to open one's self up to the possibility of a lawsuit

I guess that presumes that I cause an accident due to pulling something over the manufacturer’s weight recommendation. Because that is the only way that opens up the possibility of a lawsuit.

Because if I cause an accident it is way more likely I caused it due to some other negligence. Regardless of weight, my negligence was not giving myself enough room to stop…in this hypothetical. Even if I am under the manufacturer recommendation, the same negligence is true.

There is no appreciable increase in “opening up possibility” to a lawsuit in my opinion. If I cause the same accident in a Ranger, and someone has damages as a result, the odds of me being in a lawsuit are so statistically equal regardless of whether I am in a Maverick or Ranger, it makes no difference.

Again, I agree with the premise. Anything which breaches a duty and causes damages creates negligence liability. But, plaintiff has to prove the breach of the duty was the cause of the damages, and all people, myself included, do way more negligent things than what is being claimed here to create a bunch of liability. So this does not keep me up at night.

Not sure what being a lawyer has to do with choosing a Ranger vs Maverick…do lawyers have a reputation of owning Rangers? Ha. Wanted a Tremor to get down hunting trails. Pretty much a road going SxS in my opinion.

 

[NoVaJimmy]

I guess that presumes that I cause an accident due to pulling something over the manufacturer’s weight recommendation. Because that is the only way that opens up the possibility of a lawsuit.

Because if I cause an accident it is way more likely I caused it due to some other negligence. Regardless of weight, my negligence was not giving myself enough room to stop…in this hypothetical. Even if I am under the manufacturer recommendation, the same negligence is true.

There is no appreciable increase in “opening up possibility” to a lawsuit in my opinion. If I cause the same accident in a Ranger, and someone has damages as a result, the odds of me being in a lawsuit are so statistically equal regardless of whether I am in a Maverick or Ranger, it makes no difference.

Again, I agree with the premise. Anything which breaches a duty and causes damages creates negligence liability. But, plaintiff has to prove the breach of the duty was the cause of the damages, and all people, myself included, do way more negligent things than what is being claimed here to create a bunch of liability. So this does not keep me up at night.

Not sure what being a lawyer has to do with choosing a Ranger vs Maverick…do lawyers have a reputation of owning Rangers? Ha. Wanted a Tremor to get down hunting trails. Pretty much a road going SxS in my opinion.

\

Here's the scenario. Joe Schmoe side swipes you on the highway while you're towing your 4k pound camper with your Tremor and you both lose control of your vehicles. Yeah, it was his fault but while you were trying to regain control of your Maverick and trailer it winds up crushing him to death against a concrete barrier. Even though it was his initial fault, you will be sued by Joe Schmoe's family because in the police report it will show that you were towing XXXXXX model camper which weighs 4k pounds with your Ford Maverick Tremor which has a 2k pound max tow capacity. Yes, you are statistically capable of getting in the same accident with a Ranger but at least you won't have another lawyer making the argument that you were irresponsibly towing a camper that your vehicle was not rated to tow. I find it hard to believe that a lawyer doesn't entertain the possibility. My brother's business was sued in a situation that was no fault his own or of his business. He did nothing wrong yet had to spend thousands of dollars to retain a lawyer to fight a civil suit for damages which would have amounted to millions of dollars. Thankfully he had documentation showing that everything he did was up to snuff but the injured and their lawyers were hoping that wouldn't be the case. As for the Ranger, what is it, about 5k-10k more for a similiar spec, you want to risk a lawsuit for millions just to save a few thousand bucks? Seems legit....lastly, saying you don't plan on getting into an at fault accident is super ignorant. Could be an icy patch, slick oil rain mixture, mario dropping banana peels on the road in front of you, then what? Really doesn't seem like the kind of 3-d chess that most lawyers like to play....seems more like checkers to me

 

[Saxapl]

\

Here's the scenario. Joe Schmoe side swipes you on the highway while you're towing your 4k pound camper with your Tremor and you both lose control of your vehicles. Yeah, it was his fault but while you were trying to regain control of your Maverick and trailer it winds up crushing him to death against a concrete barrier. Even though it was his initial fault, you will be sued by Joe Schmoe's family because in the police report it will show that you were towing XXXXXX model camper which weighs 4k pounds with your Ford Maverick Tremor which has a 2k pound max tow capacity. Yes, you are statistically capable of getting in the same accident with a Ranger but at least you won't have another lawyer making the argument that you were irresponsibly towing a camper that your vehicle was not rated to tow. I find it hard to believe that a lawyer doesn't entertain the possibility. My brother's business was sued in a situation that was no fault his own or of his business. He did nothing wrong yet had to spend thousands of dollars to retain a lawyer to fight a civil suit for damages which would have amounted to millions of dollars. Thankfully he had documentation showing that everything he did was up to snuff but the injured and their lawyers were hoping that wouldn't be the case. As for the Ranger, what is it, about 5k-10k more for a similiar spec, you want to risk a lawsuit for millions just to save a few thousand bucks? Seems legit....

So…depending on the jurisdiction, it sounds like the guy who caused the accident is more than 50% at fault. In my jurisdiction he is barred from recovery.

Of course I entertain the possibility of a suit…I think I have said that, but maybe I have been in artful with my point. I would say you are proving my point. Your brother’s business did nothing wrong and had documentation showing everything was “up to snuff” and he got sued anyways. So there is no appreciable increase in opening oneself up to more lawsuits…because you can do everything “up to snuff” and still be sued. Of course plaintiff’s attorney will always try to find more liability theories. That is their job.

Not sure where you get that a Ranger would have been the choice but for “a few thousand bucks.” I do not believe that was the logic. Regardless, every day someone drives on the road they risk being sued, maybe for millions depending on damages. My opinion is just that this does not appreciably increase that risk and it certainly does not change the possible damages…in my jurisdiction.

You are entitled to your opinion and obviously your jurisdiction may have different law. If you feel safer from litigation in a Ranger, by all means spend the extra couple thousand bucks which concern you. For me, the Maverick size was the right fit for the job it is being asked to perform, for which a Ranger would not be as ideal for me.

 

[NoVaJimmy]

So…depending on the jurisdiction, it sounds like the guy who caused the accident is more than 50% at fault. In my jurisdiction he is barred from recovery.

Of course I entertain the possibility of a suit…I think I have said that, but maybe I have been in artful with my point. I would say you are proving my point. Your brother’s business did nothing wrong and had documentation showing everything was “up to snuff” and he got sued anyways. So there is no appreciable increase in opening oneself up to more lawsuits…because you can do everything “up to snuff” and still be sued. Of course plaintiff’s attorney will always try to find more liability theories. That is their job.

Not sure where you get that a Ranger would have been the choice but for “a few thousand bucks.” I do not believe that was the logic. Regardless, every day someone drives on the road they risk being sued, maybe for millions depending on damages. My opinion is just that this does not appreciably increase that risk and it certainly does not change the possible damages…in my jurisdiction.

You are entitled to your opinion and obviously your jurisdiction may have different law. If you feel safer from litigation in a Ranger, by all means spend the extra couple thousand bucks which concern you. For me, the Maverick size was the right fit for the job it is being asked to perform, for which a Ranger would not be as ideal for me.

I couldn't possibly care any less what you do with your vehicle, that's all on you. I am just a) playing devil's advocate and b) making sure that the contingency of people who come to these forums looking for valid information are not misinformed. Personally I think it's reckless for someone who claims to be a lawyer to preach misleading information about liability. I just want to make sure that the people who come to these forums seeking knowledge know to verify what they're reading and take advice from internet lawyers with a grain of salt. As for your situation, I hope you never have to leave your jurisdiction and like my company commander in the Army used to tell us; "Do whatever your career can withstand"

 

[Ford Maverick Maniac]

Not a good idea to exceed tow limit. My guess is if you get into a bad accident towing higher than a vehicle is rated for, insurance will deny the claim.

 

[710-oil-614]

@Saxapl @NoVaJimmy

 

[Saxapl]

@Saxapl @NoVaJimmy

Ha. Now there is something funny appropriate for the internet. As opposed to anyone who claims they are like a government misinformation board…the arbiters of what is and what is not.

 

[22RolloverClub]

Didnt a Ford also pull the space shuttle once?

Close, Toyota Tundra

 

[Saxapl]

Not a good idea to exceed tow limit. My guess is if you get into a bad accident towing higher than a vehicle is rated for, insurance will deny the claim.

Potentially correct and meritorious.

One’s insurance is governed by the contract. Read the contract. As I am sure everyone does every time they hit the hit that “I agree” to terms on the web or when buying their phone.

My insurance has no such exclusion…I just looked. But every policy is different making this a good point.

 

[Rivers90]

That is an impressive jump.

 

[Maverickman74]

A raptor is born!

 

[Tiger Dude]

8,800# only possible with Hot Pepper Red

Unfair. Red adds 100 hp

 

[kiljander]

I remember seeing an old Ford commercial from the 60's where they dropped a pickup out of a cargo plane flying above the runway to show how great their new suspension was. Not sure if recommend that with a Maverick either.

Great Commercial !

Well…since you mention it, lawsuits are what I do for a living. Not a “street lawyer” whatever that is. Instead a licensed lawyer.

And way more lawsuits are filed for other reasons of negligence than towing more than a manufacturer recommendation. But of course you are right, if that actually causes the accident, it will certainly be used. But one’s speeding is very easy to prove, and is negligent…and I venture to say most people here commit that negligence routinely without second thought.

And, just a matter of fact, defendant does not need to prove defendant was “not negligent.” The burden of proof is on plaintiff to prove the elements of the claim…in this case, duty, breach, causation, damages.

All good points to ponder, it seems that everyone is happy to file a lawsuit against someone else whether justified or not, I was just wondering what the difference is between the 4k or 2k tow packages, and it seems to be the Radiator/fan combo but not 100%.
I'll look into this some more but in the meantime, I'll use my F350 for pulling/hauling anything bigger than 2k. My Maverick shipped 2-12-23 and still waiting?????
Thx

Sponsored