TFL Slip Test on 2025 Maverick Hybrid AWD

[colinl]

The 2L ecoboots and trans ... are from the Focus ST and RS (PTU), so yes, a Quaife is available.

AS an OEM ... very "inexpensive" to add ... if even as an optional cost option.
A front LSD ... on the TFL "roller slip test" would make all the difference in the world.

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Will "someone" at FORD ... realize this ... and offer this as a 2026 option ?
- too late to add for 2025 Job3 .... if already designed and verified.

Just think ... if added for 2026 ... as an option ... all the "dudes" (almost always dudes, yeah?) will dump their 22-25 Mavericks and BUY the 2026. More profits, and free-up Mavericks for those "who only buy used" ... which makes the merry-go-round of the automotive industry work.

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AWD, 4k towing, hybrid. NO getting "stuck" on pavement.

no. the front differentials are for the manual transmissions, and the Focus RS center differential is different than any Maverick so far. I didn't feel like digging into it exhaustively since you're way off base, but I did see they have a Taurus SHO front LSD and that would be a 6F55 transmission, so not compatible, yet somewhat positive to see because it's a fwd automatic transmission application.

I'm sure quaife would do this given enough money. The problem, however, is that quaife lsds are mechanical helix / torsen differentials which are not effective in infinite slip situations like a wheel in the air or 3 of them on rollers.

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[TheMaverickLife]

PUT the AWD Maverick ... one-side wheels on snow/ice ... and wait for the tow truck.

For the life of me ... how was this not tested and corrected. ...
WHO "signed-off" ... got their fat bonus ... and is now on a different program



The "ford dudes' ... has a "song" about this ... that the Managers (one least car a year) and Supervisors (2 lease cars per year) seem to forget ... as they worm their way up the food chain.


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OK ... no MORE

byebye

 

[npaladin2000]

ford uses dana front and rear traditional lockers* and I'm not aware of them making any IRS units small enough for the maverick, but I could be wrong.

* a traditional locking differential has a sliding pin that mechanically locks two sides together, either left and right for rdu or front and rear for ptu. this is cheap and effective but cannot be used on dry pavement, offroad or winter conditions only.

guys, it's important to remember that the Maverick is built to a price point and Ford knows it's a unibody truck so we are never going to tow like a Ranger, and for the foreseeable future not going to get Tremor features in a hybrid. (someday, I bet there's a turbo hybrid, like the F150 powerboost.)

it's not even the only hybrid compact or midsize truck anymore, but the others are bigger, heavier and don't get the gas mileage so while it's a bit of a bummer to see the awd hybrid struggle when it looks like simply more aggressive brake-based traction control programming would help, the overall niches that the various Maverick trim levels fit into do make sense. and it's a LOT of niches, between xl fwd hybrid, lariat 4k tow awd hybrid, tremor, lobo... except that poke in the eye from deleting the lariat fx4.

The fact that Ford MIGHT be able to do it will excite some people. Many people wanting to off-road don't want a larger vehicle, because you can't navigate tight trails.

It really shocks me that the Maverick is the only hybrid truck oriented towards higher fuel economy. Either Toyota didn't care, or they used the hybrid system as a V6 replacement instead, as a power booster. I'm thinking the latter.

 

[colinl]

The fact that Ford MIGHT be able to do it will excite some people. Many people wanting to off-road don't want a larger vehicle, because you can't navigate tight trails.

It really shocks me that the Maverick is the only hybrid truck oriented towards higher fuel economy. Either Toyota didn't care, or they used the hybrid system as a V6 replacement instead, as a power booster. I'm thinking the latter.

yeah, the Tacoma hybrid is like a F150 powerboost. it could improve mpg a bit, but mainly it's a power booster.

however, for 58k starting (probably well over 60k in reality), you'll have the Jeep Gladiator as an option soon: https://www.caranddriver.com/jeep/gladiator-4xe

you would literally have everything you're asking for... at a much, much higher price point and obviously the major drawback of having the abysmal on-road driving that Jeeps with recirculating ball steering and solid front axle give.

 

[dn325ci]

guys, it's important to remember that the Maverick is built to a price point...

I think this is a poor excuse. It doesn't cost more to tune the software to engage the brake on the spinning wheel. Suburu and others have proven this.

 

[npaladin2000]

yeah, the Tacoma hybrid is like a F150 powerboost. it could improve mpg a bit, but mainly it's a power booster.

however, for 58k starting (probably well over 60k in reality), you'll have the Jeep Gladiator as an option soon: https://www.caranddriver.com/jeep/gladiator-4xe

you would literally have everything you're asking for... at a much, much higher price point and obviously the major drawback of having the abysmal on-road driving that Jeeps with recirculating ball steering and solid front axle give.

Oh yeah, as big as an F-150 but with a smaller bed and worse driving dynamics, just what every little kid wants, hahaha.

And people seem to think those balloon tires must be great in snow, I see a lot of them up here.

 

[npaladin2000]

I think this is a poor excuse. It doesn't cost more to tune the software to engage the brake on the spinning wheel. Suburu and others have proven this.

You realize software developers have to get paid, right?

 

[colinl]

You realize software developers have to get paid, right?

lol they can't even fix the backup camera issue, not sure of the timeline for tweaking traction control for off-road usage.

 

[dn325ci]

You realize software developers have to get paid, right?

They can and were paid to do it right the first time. Expect more, my friend.

I bet you're OK with a cold hamburger.

 

[npaladin2000]

What a lame response. They can and were paid to do it right the first time. Expect more, my friend.

I bet you're OK with a cold hamburger.

No, I happen to be a general IT person, and do, among other things, software development. Sometimes people aren't given time to "do it right the first time" because some sales exec has numbers to make and his schedule takes priority. "Ship it and patch it later" isn't limited to Microsoft...except sometimes "later" turns into "never" because there's always the next project which will actually bring in revenue rather than the last project, because that was good enough to ship and is already generating revenue, right?

So you can take your lame cold hamburger and eat it.

 

[dn325ci]

No, I happen to be a general IT person, and do, among other things, software development. Sometimes people aren't given time to "do it right the first time" because some sales exec has numbers to make and his schedule takes priority. "Ship it and patch it later" isn't limited to Microsoft...except sometimes "later" turns into "never" because there's always the next project which will actually bring in revenue rather than the last project, because that was good enough to ship and is already generating revenue, right?

So you can take your lame cold hamburger and eat it.

So you're comfortable with excuses. Got it.

 

[colinl]

So you're comfortable with excuses. Got it.

dude. you buy it as it's presented, or you don't. this isn't a bespoke tailor shop.

I'm curious if a hybrid awd can use offroad drive mode via forscan. unlike bitching and personal attacks, it would actually be worthwhile to try.

 

[dn325ci]

dude. you buy it as it's presented, or you don't. this isn't a bespoke tailor shop.

Very odd response. There is nothing bespoke about production software. You can advocate for that, but I didn't.

I do advocate for powertrain software to be done right for all. The issues shown in the TFL video that prompted this thread seem reasonably obvious to test and know for a powertrain engineer. Engaging the brake on a slipping wheel is simply changing a threshold they already have in software. It should have been done right the first time, just like other manufacturers do. The excuse-making here is surprising.

 

[colinl]

There is nothing bespoke about production software. You can advocate for that, but I didn't.

You want it to work a certain way, that's the bespoke reference. I'm willing to consider the possibility that Ford intentionally made it this way.

The manual says non FX4/Tremor models are not made for off-road, the hybrid is judged first and foremost by fuel economy, and cynically we can even observe that FX4 and Tremor models cost more than not having those options.

 

[dn325ci]

You want it to work a certain way, that's the bespoke reference.

There are many, probably most, possibly all Maverick owners and participants to this thread that want it not to fail an obvious traction test. That's the opposite of bespoke, my friend.

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