Second Thoughts

[MavDaddyDan]

For $35-40K look at a Honda Ridgeline. Much better truck for the $$ and has a huge lockable in bed trunk. The MPG loss will be worth it in the long run due to lots of reasons, mainly long term reliability, and better NVH.

Appreciate the suggestion—the Ridgeline is definitely a nice option for some people, but I personally can’t justify spending more than $41k (24 base/sport model MSRP) on a vehicle that only gets 18 MPG in the city, no matter how nice of a truck it is for the price. Maybe some day down the road when we need more space and capability, but only if they release a hybrid Ridgeline. By that time though, it probably wouldn’t make any sense for me to get anything other than something plug-in or fully electric.

Honestly, my preference for a hybrid isn’t only based on the MPG difference between an ICE engine and a hybrid. Of course, a Maverick hybrid will likely get me at least double the MPG in the city that a Ridgeline would and I value that highly, but MPG aside, Hybrids are just much quieter, have instant torque, and simply feel better to drive to me. After driving our sportage hybrid for almost a year now, EVERY ICE vehicle I’ve gotten into has felt sluggish and loud, so I’m a bit spoiled now I guess.

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[olderbudwiser]

"...I don't believe for one second that Ford has figured out the Hybrid drivetrain issues..."

My Maverick is my third hybrid: a 2013 Toyota Avalon (much of Ford's hybrid system is based on Toyota's) and a 2015 Ford C-Max Hybrid Energi plug-in. I have had ZERO hybrid issues with all 3 vehicles; Ford introduced the first Escape Hybrid in the 2005 model year, so I feel pretty confident that they know what they're doing. While some people are having issues, what we don't know is the overall PERCENTAGE of problem vehicles. 50%? 10%? 1%? We certainly can't tell from a few posts here.

I do wonder how many of the people having problems are dealing with a Ford service department that lacks the proper training to properly diagnose these issues. Unless there's only one Ford dealer near you and the rest are all 500 miles away, I do not understand why someone keeps returning to the same incompetent dealer in hopes of finding a solution. BTW, I spent 5 weeks in Europe and the Maverick started immediately upon my return.

Spot on !!!
If one needs a battery tender on a new vehicle there is a problem.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

Hybrid with lux and 360 on order (Jan 24 build date) but having second thoughts. The deep sleep/battery issue greatly concerns me. I live in northern Maine and will be mostly using the Mac locally for short trips, often less than 10 miles. While the truck will be parked in a heated garage, from what I have been reading I may experience the problems that so many have faced. I ordered the heated seats and from what I am reading on the forum, using them might be problematic. Your thoughts please.

Some good suggestions here, but to try and put your mind at ease, we have a 2022 hybrid, most of our drives are less than five miles, many are less than a mile. It's never been an issue for us.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

This is the correct answer. You only hear the bad stuff on forums. Even some of the most reliable trucks I’ve owned have horror stories online yet I’ve had several with very high mileage and zero issues.

Exactly my friend. The longer you're around cars, and car forums, the more you realize there is always gonna be the vocal minority having issues. The maverick is actually one of the only trucks on sale with an above average reliability rating, and is one the list for most reliable hybrids you can buy, and on a list of one of the most reliable affordable cars on sale, both the hybrid and Ecoboost make that list.

Nothing in this life is perfect. There is no perfect car, house, job, state/city, religion, political party, country, or human, never has been. Who knows if one day the reliability monsters on this forum will come for me, they might, they might not. Just like I could end up with cancer, or heart issues, both common in my family.

There are a lot of bad things that can happen to us in life. I've spent most of my life up until now in my late 20s worrying about literally everything, not an exaggeration, my brother's who's a psychologist says I have one of the worst cases of generalized anxiety disorder he's ever seen. I'm starting to realize you can't let all the bad things that might happen bother you, and stress you out. You just gotta roll with the punches, and do your best to enjoy life in-between the hard knocks.

 

[almost60]

The truck doesn't have any problems related to deep-sleep, it's just a byproduct of the extremely small, budget battery that comes standard. There's a rumor there might be a higher quality battery coming in place of the current "Enhanced' Flooded Cell being used in the Hybrid.

Only been a few days, however the difference in how mine charges and maintains both voltage and SoC after swapping out the Motorcraft with the Weize AGM H5/47 battery is night & day different. - It does actually bring the battery back up to the post-drive state, even on a somewhat shorter trip in cold weather with the heated seat, wheel, and lights all on.

Don't worry about your order, just figure you might want to upgrade the battery at some point, either with a higher quality 99/RT4 or H5/47 (former is same physical size, latter is physically larger).

Very interesting and helpful. Does the H5/47 physically fit without any issues?

 

[dldjtad]

I have had my truck since the end of August 2023. I have just over 10K miles on it. The longest I've left it without running it was 4 days. It did not enter deep sleep and it started right up.

 

[bwil415]

Never had a single deep sleep message on mine in Michigan. Approaching 20k miles.

 

[cyberdog]

The Type 47/H5 battery will fit the enclosure, with two caveats:

1) In order to actually get the battery into the area it is necessary to pull off the right (passenger) side of the surround. The back threshold and compartment pieces just pull out by tugging on them to release the plastic clips. Thankfully they pull off and snap back in quite easily.

2) The battery tray as two raised lips or tabs which are bent upwards to hold the factory battery from sliding. (Really aren't needed, as the 'wedge' or clamp provides more than sufficient force to prevent movement). To prevent possible damage to the bottom of the H5, I knocked/tapped them down flat with a small hammer. - They're just the sheet metal of the tray which was formed/bent up during manufacture. Others have cut them off, I chose to just knock them down with a hammer. I didn't try it, however there might be enough room to simply add some padding between those two slips to create a flat surface and still have it fit, they can't be more than 3/16th of an inch in height. (If you try just making a flat area with a piece of scrap, let us know if it does fit).

Once the H5/47 battery is in place, snap the two plastic panels back into place, put the cover on, and you're ready to perform the BMS reset. (Ignition on but not started, flash high beams 5x, tap brake 3x within 10 seconds; battery icon flashes to indicate reset; lock the truck and let it sit for 8 hours while it relearns the battery).

If you have Forscan (or know somebody with it), it's helpful to set the battery type to 60amp/H5 case before the BMS reset. The truck *should* learn the battery, however setting the battery type & size from the pull-down will aid it greatly. (60A/H5 is one of the options in the menu). - FWIW the default size is 'Unknown' or 'Unspecified', it isn't even set to the 43A/T4 option, but is configured for AGM, so go figure. (The other option other than 43A & the 60A H5 is 60A H6, along with unspecified).

The Weize I used was considerably heavier than the factory 99R/T4, and weighed in close to 10 lbs heavier. With batteries, usually heavier is better, indicating larger plates inside the battery.

 

[almost60]

The Type 47/H5 battery will fit the enclosure, with two caveats:

1) In order to actually get the battery into the area it is necessary to pull off the right (passenger) side of the surround. The back threshold and compartment pieces just pull out by tugging on them to release the plastic clips. Thankfully they pull off and snap back in quite easily.

2) The battery tray as two raised lips or tabs which are bent upwards to hold the factory battery from sliding. (Really aren't needed, as the 'wedge' or clamp provides more than sufficient force to prevent movement). To prevent possible damage to the bottom of the H5, I knocked/tapped them down flat with a small hammer. - They're just the sheet metal of the tray which was formed/bent up during manufacture. Others have cut them off, I chose to just knock them down with a hammer. I didn't try it, however there might be enough room to simply add some padding between those two slips to create a flat surface and still have it fit, they can't be more than 3/16th of an inch in height. (If you try just making a flat area with a piece of scrap, let us know if it does fit).

Once the H5/47 battery is in place, snap the two plastic panels back into place, put the cover on, and you're ready to perform the BMS reset. (Ignition on but not started, flash high beams 5x, tap brake 3x within 10 seconds; battery icon flashes to indicate reset; lock the truck and let it sit for 8 hours while it relearns the battery).

If you have Forscan (or know somebody with it), it's helpful to set the battery type to 60amp/H5 case before the BMS reset. The truck *should* learn the battery, however setting the battery type & size from the pull-down will aid it greatly. (60A/H5 is one of the options in the menu). - FWIW the default size is 'Unknown' or 'Unspecified', it isn't even set to the 43A/T4 option, but is configured for AGM, so go figure. (The other option other than 43A & the 60A H5 is 60A H6, along with unspecified).

The Weize I used was considerably heavier than the factory 99R/T4, and weighed in close to 10 lbs heavier. With batteries, usually heavier is better, indicating larger plates inside the battery.

Great detailed response. Thanks so much!

 

[samspritzer]

I live in a pretty cold region similar to yours and even though I experience the deep sleep issue, mine starts up right away with the keyfob. The heated seats, steering wheel and mirror come on and the ICE starts up within 10 seconds. My only grip is the lack of dome lights. The dealer's service dept. is attributing that to an issue with the BCM so that is on back order.

Ford is aware of my issue. In fact, I believe they are working on software updates as they asked if they could try a patch which didn't solve anything (or break anything!).

Other than that, I am a happy Maverick owner!

 

[Mav_RICK]

For $35-40K look at a Honda Ridgeline. Much better truck for the $$ and has a huge lockable in bed trunk. The MPG loss will be worth it in the long run due to lots of reasons, mainly long term reliability, and better NVH.

No to get a comparably equipped Ridgeline you have to go to 42k with considerably worse gas mileage. The base Ridgeline starts at just under 40k.

 

[HuieDouieLouie]

No to get a comparably equipped Ridgeline you have to go to 42k with considerably worse gas mileage. The base Ridgeline starts at just under 40k.

Pre owned 2022 RTL-E's with ~5-10K miles go for $35K or less. But yeah new is $43'ish. Still a better value than a $40K Mav though IMO.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Pre owned 2022 RTL-E's with ~5-10K miles go for $35K or less. But yeah new is $43'ish. Still a better value than a $40K Mav though IMO.

For the type of vehicle the Ridgeline is, they need to do a hybrid.

 

[almost60]

I live in a pretty cold region similar to yours and even though I experience the deep sleep issue, mine starts up right away with the keyfob. The heated seats, steering wheel and mirror come on and the ICE starts up within 10 seconds. My only grip is the lack of dome lights. The dealer's service dept. is attributing that to an issue with the BCM so that is on back order.

Ford is aware of my issue. In fact, I believe they are working on software updates as they asked if they could try a patch which didn't solve anything (or break anything!).

Other than that, I am a happy Maverick owner!

Sam, thanks so much for your input. It is encouraging.

 

[Mike215]

I live in Southeast PA. I work from home and rarely drive from Monday to Friday. I have a very late 2022 XLT Hybrid (delivered late October 2022, even though I ordered in June of 2021) and have never had any issues. No deep sleep or anything.
I use the heated seats and heated steering wheel quite a bit and am averaging 41.5 mpg with 87 octane gas since I have owned it.
I love the hybrid. Just bought my wife a hybrid Toyota as she was tired of 18mpg with premium gas on her Lexus SUV. I ordered her a Lariat but when it came in she decided she wanted an SUV and not a truck so I let the dealer keep it.
I love the Maverick and have no second thoughts.

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