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It’s not an exact science. Tow rating are like cfm ratings for blowers, easily manipulated and many subjective aspects.

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1502-sae-j2807-tow-tests-the-standard/
Taking this at face value, along with your aforementioned comment, what you would like, in a nutshell, is for Ford to provide you with quantified, subjective data. Seems a reasonable request. Definitely no proprietary information or methodology in a potential response.
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Its enough tow rating for me, but I kind of agree. A FWD 2.5 base Santa Cruz SE that only makes the same 191hp has a 3.5K lb tow rating. But when you factor in that the hybrid in the Tucson is only rated for 1,650lbs without a trailer brake controller (2K lbs with) and that the Ford hybrid is rated at 42mpg city, I have nothing to complain about.
Kia Soul can tow up to 2k

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AKSHULLY, 1200lbs without a trailer brake controller though, which most Souls won't be equipped with. One thing I do give them credit for is at least before the cheapening of the Soul when the Seltos came out, you could get it in amazing color combos, including dual-tone paint like sparkling gold with a white roof, and the white option wasn't a cheapo refrigerator white but a "snow white pearl" that in the sun when clean REALLY glistens and stands out.

It doesn't usually show up in pictures well as it does outside in the sun, but I hope Ford adds an option like that for next year, I'd much prefer it over the orangish red pepper we have.

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Wondered about this. Many small crossovers beat it. Even a 2dr Wrangler believe is 2.5K. RAV4 etc.

4K is decent. But base should have been near 3 at least.
I find it strange the 2022 Toyota Sienna Van has same 2.5L Atkinson engine with ECVT transmission, my under standing they worked with Ford together on, it tows 3500lbs, 4 wheel drive capable and I am sure it weights more. I think Ford just under rated to help sell 2.0L.
 

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Would you really want to do that, though? Towing a 2000lb trailer with a 2000lb car on skinny tires with a small 4 cylinder engine seems terrifying.
So a Kia Soul, with a 2.0l 4cyl and 235mm wide tires is worse at towing than a Ford Maverick with a 2.0l 4cyl and 225mm wide tires how?
 

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Its enough tow rating for me, but I kind of agree. A FWD 2.5 base Santa Cruz SE that only makes the same 191hp has a 3.5K lb tow rating. But when you factor in that the hybrid in the Tucson is only rated for 1,650lbs without a trailer brake controller (2K lbs with) and that the Ford hybrid is rated at 42mpg city, I have nothing to complain about.

AKSHULLY, 1200lbs without a trailer brake controller though, which most Souls won't be equipped with. One thing I do give them credit for is at least before the cheapening of the Soul when the Seltos came out, you could get it in amazing color combos, including dual-tone paint like sparkling gold with a white roof, and the white option wasn't a cheapo refrigerator white but a "snow white pearl" that in the sun when clean REALLY glistens and stands out.

It doesn't usually show up in pictures well as it does outside in the sun, but I hope Ford adds an option like that for next year, I'd much prefer it over the orangish red pepper we have.

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I made a post earlier that I think got lost in the cracks — it seems that even the top trim Santa Cruz can only tow 1650 pounds without an aftermarket brake controller. Is that accurate?

Just want to share this interesting tidbit… can you please read this and tell me if this is the correct conclusion:

https://www.southpointhyundai.com/2022-hyundai-santa-cruz-towing/

2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz Towing Capacity Per Model
  • 1,650 pounds Santa Cruz 2.5L FWD, without Trailer Brakes
  • 1,650 pounds Santa Cruz 2.5L AWD, without Trailer Brakes
  • 3,500 pounds Santa Cruz 2.5L FWD, with Trailer Brakes
  • 3,500 pounds Santa Cruz 2.5L AWD, with Trailer Brakes
  • 3,500 pounds Santa Cruz 2.5 Turbo FWD with Trailer Brakes
  • 5,000 pounds Santa Cruz 2.5 Turbo AWD with Trailer Brakes

NONE of the SC trims can tow above 1650lbs rating, until they get a tow hitch installed (no factory hitch) and an aftermarket brake controller (no integrated controller)? Even the top 2.5 Turbo AWD trim rated for 5k lbs max… actual has a 1650lbs tow rating as built from factory?

Anyway if that’s all correct, I wonder what the calculus is for the SC to be able to tow 3.5k with the base trim 2.5L FWD with a brake controller, but the Mav didn’t get a similar brake controller rating, even the AWD? Just curious how the different vehicles get their ratings. It surely must partly be marketing and truly safe capacities are actually more variable depending on trims?
 

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Thats why Ford has a whole series of trucks, buy a Ranger or F-150 if you need to tow that much. People on here expecting a $20K truck to tow a fifth wheel.
For arguments sake lets assume that an f150 weighs 6000 lbs. It has an advertised tow rating of 14,000 lbs. A 3700 lbs Mav with the same ratio would have a tow rating over 8000 lbs. Just saying.
 
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Just waiting for someone to explain why an AWD EB with FX4 has the same 2k tow rating as Hybrid FWD

there should have been a 3k tow rating so a 2k and 3k and 4K

they also could have done braked and unbraked ratings as adding a controller yourself on a different trim is not difficult.
 
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Just waiting for someone to explain why an AWD EB with FX4 has the same 2k tow rating as Hybrid FWD

there should have been a 3k tow rating so a 2k and 3k and 4K

they also could have done braked and unbraked ratings as adding a controller yourself on a different trim is not difficult.
Because it's not based on the motor more so the ability to stop(brake controller) and or the awd drive train being able to effectively deliver power safely to the wheels when the front end is light carrying a load.
 

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Relatively speaking, yes it is inexpensive for what it offers.
 
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Exactly so AWD with FX4 has same as FWD. illogical. They can just offer braked and non braked ratings and put it to 3k.

that’s enough for ins if your non braked in an accident.
 

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Exactly so AWD with FX4 has same as FWD. illogical.
I'd wager a brake controller is the key ingredient for the extra capacity. The other features of a 4k seem to be more so reliability(outside of the gearing change)
 

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If you don't need towing, then why pay the extra - If you want more towing - then get the AWD/4K Tow - If you need more towing, then buy a big A** truck and tow to your hearts desire.

Simple as that - QUIT complaining what the Maverick don't do/have and realize what a GREAT AFFORDABLE TRUCK it is!!
 

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Just waiting for someone to explain why an AWD EB with FX4 has the same 2k tow rating as Hybrid FWD

there should have been a 3k tow rating so a 2k and 3k and 4K

they also could have done braked and unbraked ratings as adding the controller if you want brakes on a different trim is not difficult.
My guess would be that its a combination of several things that increase the towing. While the tow hitch itself stays the same we go up to a 7 pin connector for the trailer to accommodate a trailer brake controller. That makes sense if you want to stop a trailer that could weigh more than the Maverick does.

The changed gear ratio in the rear end I believe trades off a little speed for a little more torque, that makes sense to get things moving and to lessen the strain on the transmission.

The transmission oil cooler helps keep the transmission from smoking under load, extra cooling makes me think extra load capacity.

If I remember correctly the AWD FX4 Eco already would have most of that, but not the trailer brake controller.

My guess is that the biggest factor in safely towing larger loads is trailer brakes.

I remember an older F150 that I foolishly towed a 5k boat/trailer with and while it pulled fine stopping was a bit sketchy as that trailer wasn't set up with brakes.

Only did that one once.
 
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I agree with this, however their final numbers appear illogical for AWD non tow, just as their decision to not include a pigtail to add a harness. This will affect resale of non tow units and could easily have been avoided by creating a 3k and making it simple to add a plug and play harness.

keep in mind the SC doesn’t even have an integrated as an option
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