Plug in Conversion?

[Eagle11]

Have y'all driven the Mavericks hybrid?

Mine uses the ICE almost every time I accelerate. To go electric only I have to majorly creep along.

I don't see how they'd be able to convert Maverick to phev without some major modifications.

The PHEV is not the same system as the hybrid, since the battery is 14 x bigger, the elec motor is bigger too.

In regards to acceleration, in city traffic, the moderate use of the throttle is not a problem, 97% of my driving in city driving.

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[mamboman777]

The PHEV is not the same system as the hybrid, since the battery is 14 x bigger, the elec motor is bigger too.

In regards to acceleration, in city traffic, the moderate use of the throttle is not a problem, 97% of my driving in city driving.

Please see article I posted further up on the thread... The author describes how hard it is to keep the ICE off...

 

[Hoagus]

RAV4 hybrid has a 1.6 kWh battery, and RAV4 Prime (PHEV) is 18.1 kWh. That’s 11.3 times bigger.

 

[Eagle11]

Please see article I posted further up on the thread... The author describes how hard it is to keep the ICE off...

Its not hard, I drive 97% city and average 46 MPG. Now, how much braking are they doing v coasting the brake guide it a wonderful tool.

 

[fbov]

If you drive like this author, hybrids are not for you.

Please see article I posted further up on the thread... The author describes how hard it is to keep the ICE off...

The PHEV is not the same system as the hybrid, since the battery is 14 x bigger, the elec motor is bigger too.

You are misinformed. Same motors in all Escape Hybrids, the higher output traction motor is in the Maverick/HP445+.

The power limitation is the inverter, the electronics that turn DC into AC. Hybrid inverter is good for 35kW, Plug-in is double that, 70kW according to PHEV owners. Motor is more like 90kW, and you need the ICE running to have that much current.

 

[Eagle11]

If you drive like this author, hybrids are not for you.


You are misinformed. Same motors in all Escape Hybrids, the higher output traction motor is in the Maverick/HP445+.

The power limitation is the inverter, the electronics that turn DC into AC. Hybrid inverter is good for 35kW, Plug-in is double that, 70kW according to PHEV owners. Motor is more like 90kW, and you need the ICE running to have that much current.

I was talking about the Plug in not the Hybrid.

 

[mamboman777]

If you drive like this author, hybrids are not for you.


You are misinformed. Same motors in all Escape Hybrids, the higher output traction motor is in the Maverick/HP445+.

The power limitation is the inverter, the electronics that turn DC into AC. Hybrid inverter is good for 35kW, Plug-in is double that, 70kW according to PHEV owners. Motor is more like 90kW, and you need the ICE running to have that much current.

I was mainly referring to these comments:

"Despite there being an EV mode for our Escape, while it was selected, the gas engine still fired up on its own for any of nearly a dozen reasons, canceling EV mode even when there’s no apparent reason for it. It’s a maddeningly frustrating experience for someone expecting all-electric operation."

"Simply put, the Escape Plug-In Hybrid does not reliably operate as an EV when put in EV mode. It fires up the engine so often, it made me wonder why it even has an EV mode given the engine has to run that frequently in order to maintain optimal performance and efficiency. Offering an EV mode just makes for a frustrating operating experience; you’ve spent money for something more than a plain Escape hybrid, but it still operates mostly like an Escape hybrid."

That said, good luck with the conversion. I'd have been interested in a PHEV, but there wasn't one at time of order. My hybrid doesn't run at all like I thought it would, it's easy less electric, but it is getting 45 MPG, so I'm happy.

Best wishes.

 

[SolidWrecks]

So also a factor is the C rating on the hybrid battery. For those who don't know, that's the acceptable ratio of current draw to battery capacity for the battery. In theory, if you went with another 1.1kw battery, if the inverter could support it, you could pull 2x the draw off the batteries and get near 2x torque. An issue probably here is wire size and fusing because why use bigger wires if you never see their max load? That's said, PHEVs can pull massive torque as they aren't drawing each cell in the battery as hard as a HEV would.

 

[Steelie Van]

Yes this. Small, lightweight and adequate is the sweet spot. Ford chose the battery size for a reason, and it will work well for most of us.

If you happen to live on top of a hill, your use case would probably favor a larger battery.

The concept being discussed is “plug-in” hybrid conversion. So we are clear this involves using household electricity to charge The hybrid propulsion battery before leaving. Then the vehicle has benefit of a full charge for the journey.

Yes ICE will come on as needed, but it’s starting is delayed as long as sufficient charge is in the hybrid battery.

The larger battery size is needed to get more electric only range. Simply having a larger battery without plugin would likely not increase mph or mp kWh benefit.

Hymotion A123 did Prius conversions to plug-in and they added a 5 kWh battery before Toyota offered plug in. It was still a bit of a
Science project in the early days but with over a million Prius’s there was economynof sxale to develop a system.

will order PHEV Mac when it comes available, would like to get my hybrid in the mean time…

 

[Bushpilot]

The concept being discussed is “plug-in” hybrid conversion. So we are clear this involves using household electricity to charge The hybrid propulsion battery before leaving. Then the vehicle has benefit of a full charge for the journey.

Yes ICE will come on as needed, but it’s starting is delayed as long as sufficient charge is in the hybrid battery.

The larger battery size is needed to get more electric only range. Simply having a larger battery without plugin would likely not increase mph or mp kWh benefit.

Hymotion A123 did Prius conversions to plug-in and they added a 5 kWh battery before Toyota offered plug in. It was still a bit of a
Science project in the early days but with over a million Prius’s there was economynof sxale to develop a system.

will order PHEV Mac when it comes available, would like to get my hybrid in the mean time…

I own a Volt, so I do know what a plug-in hybrid is.

But yes, my post and the one I was responding to were a significant drift from the topic. My apologies.

 

[GPSMan]

A) there's no practical way to do a PHEV conversion to the current Maverick.

B) Even if done, there's practically zero benefit to doing so.

C) Highly likely Ford will debut one. Maybe 2024, Likely 2025, Almost certainly by 2026.

 

[CuriousGary]

Have y'all driven the Mavericks hybrid?

Mine uses the ICE almost every time I accelerate. To go electric only I have to majorly creep along.

I don't see how they'd be able to convert Maverick to phev without some major modifications.

I think this is the way Ford hybrids work based on driving my Ford CMax Hybrid. You tap the accelerator and the gas engine comes on. If you go up a gentle incline the ICE comes on. I like the way my CMax drives. Even tho the ICE comes on frequently, the mpg still comes in at about 40. So I’m satisfied.

I have never driven a CMax Energi (PHEV) so I can’t say how it drives differently from my CMax Hybrid.

I have never driven a Mav Hybrid tho I have one on order so I really comment on how it drives. (Have only driven the ICE Mav.)

 

[Eagle11]

I think this is the way Ford hybrids work based on driving my Ford CMax Hybrid. You tap the accelerator and the gas engine comes on. If you go up a gentle incline the ICE comes on. I like the way my CMax drives. Even tho the ICE comes on frequently, the mpg still comes in at about 40. So I’m satisfied.

I have never driven a CMax Energi (PHEV) so I can’t say how it drives differently from my CMax Hybrid.

I have never driven a Mav Hybrid tho I have one on order so I really comment on how it drives. (Have only driven the ICE Mav.)

In the Maverick hybrid the ICE is used for two things, one as a generator or it propels the Maverick. Most of the time it's hard to tell when driving when the ICE kicks in.
In the morning the ICE is running, but only as a generator.

 

[wax87]

1/14th of the EV battery ? LOL

 

[GPSMan]

1/14th of the EV battery ? LOL

1/75 th of an EV battery we have.
1/14 th of a PHEV.

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