New maverick tips to longevity

[Tim d]

No, two separate thoughts. They don't want to acknowledge that pieces of the engine are floating around in the oil. And they wouldn't mind you coming in for a new vehicle sooner than later.

Eh,I would think the manufacturer would want their engines to last so you buy their product again.

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[Kenv24]

If this is a thing,why does the Ford manual say to do the first oil change at 5000 miles? If the break in oil is supposed to be changed earlier you'd think that would be in the manual.

You are correct. That "break in oil" thing about changing it early is just a Myth. And it will continue to spread long after we're gone. I did my first oil change on my Hybrid at 9000. Oil life monitor said 40%...so that's what I went with (a lot of electric miles). The truck will NEVER know that...and will last the same amount of time as the guy that changes it at 5000 religiously. I do my F250 at 7500...and will do the Mav at 7500 going forward. Trust me....it's 2025. The difference between 2000 - 5000 - or 7500 is NOTHING.

 

[Cougar70]

What is the cost of oil analysis??? Seems like I never see a bad report on the forum. Perhaps because those who get the analysis seem to change oil more than average and seldom at 10K....................

Do a search online and you can probably find someone who does it different intervals.
I watched one where the guy who did comparison between Kirkland 0w-20 and Mobil 1 0w-20 and if I remember correctly, he had a Lexus 200H with 150k or more miles and tested at 10k intervals and with the Blackstone analysis they were extremely close with Kirkland doing a fraction better on some things and Mobil 1 a fraction on other things, both within good values.

 

[Tim d]

You are correct. That "break in oil" thing about changing it early is just a Myth. And it will continue to spread long after we're gone. I did my first oil change on my Hybrid at 9000. Oil life monitor said 40%...so that's what I went with (a lot of electric miles). The truck will NEVER know that...and will last the same amount of time as the guy that changes it at 5000 religiously. I do my F250 at 7500...and will do the Mav at 7500 going forward. Trust me....it's 2025. The difference between 2000 - 5000 - or 7500 is NOTHING.

I agree with you.ive owned several brand new vehicles in my life, I'm 65 years old. I've never changed the " break in" oil early,and have never had an engine issue.

 

[agmonaco]

100% over the target dropping that break in oil early. It's a big deal.
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I agree with you.ive owned several brand new vehicles in my life, I'm 65 years old. I've never changed the " break in" oil early,and have never had an engine issue.

I have a hard time believing the oil filter does not filter out metal contaminants.

 

[Jah.]

One time a year or 5000 miles here which ever comes first . currently have just less than 10k on mine at 3.5 years . coming up on # 4 oil change shortly .

 

[RR - All the way]

Does anyone know if the oil analysis companies are public or are they privately held? Seems like a good investment based on the Barnum and Bailey theory. How have these companies determined normal range of the parameters measured? How have they determined change in parameter acceptability based on vehicle age/mileage? How does one interpret "bad" results? Are they due to oil used, oil change frequency, age of the engine, miles on the engine, oil filters, misuse of the vehicle/engine or just the engine design/build.?

I agree with earlier comment of Commadore Bob. Use common sense with your driving habits and follow the manufacturer's recommendations and the engine is probably not the weakest link which leads to the auto graveyard. My two cents!! Stay Safe!

 

[BLUEOVALRACER]

If Ford says to change the oil at 5,000 miles and you have proof that you do, how can they deny that if you have an engine problem? I've never had my oil changed before 5,000 miles on many different Ford engines and never have had an engine problem with any of them. Also the Oil Ford uses is a Synthetic Blend IIRC which is better that the Regular oil of years past when maybe it was a good idea to change before 5,000 miles.

 

[SafetyGuy]

Something to be aware of, if interested in getting into oil analysis on your truck or whatever, is that if you only do it once...don't waste your time. (IMHO)

Oil analysis is a long term plan to monitor what your vehicles wear characteristics are and to observe if there is any deviation (A sudden change/increase) from your normal levels debris found. This is YOUR baseline.

If you do it, you need to do it at planned intervals and every time, if possible.

For example you change your oil as close to 5000 miles on every oil change. And then you graph/chart it and look for any large changes that may indicate something breaking down and shedding more wear particles then you have already tracked from earlier analysis results.

I am not a subject matter expert, only sharing my experience through the military aircraft processes. Our shops would analyze the report and could pretty much go to the exact bearing, race, gear etc and say what it was (if there was indication of excessive debris), as their data base had all the info regarding what made up that engine or gearbox and every part in them.

I can't say what the civilian companies do, but you need to invest your time (and money) to understand your reports, your trend, as well as their written report to you as to their conclusions.

Or if that is too much time or expense...go get a magnetic plug for your engine or use an extremely clean catch basin for your oil and stir a magnet in it to do a very rough analysis of your own. If you get more then "fuzz", it would be a good idea to get it investigated further.

Oil analysis would usually show you are having an issue well before this point.

I am on team magnetic oil plug, I just need to get one now!

Andy

 

[HenryFord]

Something to be aware of, if interested in getting into oil analysis on your truck or whatever, is that if you only do it once...don't waste your time. (IMHO)

Oil analysis is a long term plan to monitor what your vehicles wear characteristics are and to observe if there is any deviation (A sudden change/increase) from your normal levels debris found. This is YOUR baseline.

If you do it, you need to do it at planned intervals and every time, if possible.

For example you change your oil as close to 5000 miles on every oil change. And then you graph/chart it and look for any large changes that may indicate something breaking down and shedding more wear particles then you have already tracked from earlier analysis results.

I am not a subject matter expert, only sharing my experience through the military aircraft processes. Our shops would analyze the report and could pretty much go to the exact bearing, race, gear etc and say what it was (if there was indication of excessive debris), as their data base had all the info regarding what made up that engine or gearbox and every part in them.

I can't say what the civilian companies do, but you need to invest your time (and money) to understand your reports, your trend, as well as their written report to you as to their conclusions.

Or if that is too much time or expense...go get a magnetic plug for your engine or use an extremely clean catch basin for your oil and stir a magnet in it to do a very rough analysis of your own. If you get more then "fuzz", it would be a good idea to get it investigated further.

Oil analysis would usually show you are having an issue well before this point.

I am on team magnetic oil plug, I just need to get one now!

Andy

I think it all depends on the focus of the person who is doing the oil analysis. I know for me my interest is typically when I get a new/new to me vehicle I want to know what is going on, and then if I make any significant changes I will pull some samples, but most of the time it is set it and forget it. And if I am doing the samples I end up doing a couple back to back to track the changes as there is always old oil/possibly different oil that was still in the engine. But I admit I am pretty boring once I have done my initial samples and I am OK with what is going on then I am just a routine oil change guy and don't bother sampling. I don't make significant changes much once I am happy with what was going on. I know there are folks that really want to know the details with every change. That typically isn't me if I am in my regular routine.

For my Mav when it gets here I will run it between 500-1000 miles depending on my schedule and when I can get it into the dealer. I will pull a sample with the break in oil. Then I will run that fresh oil for probably 1000-2000 miles and pull another sample and drain it. I will run the that oil change until the OLM says it is time to change it and will probably pull one more oil sample when I drop that oil just to see how it is going. That will probably be the end of my sampling and testing unless I change something up. From there it is typically routine changes.

There is a new oil category/specification as of March 31st of this year. They are improving their test cycles and have updated the engines they test with to reflect more modern powerplants and they appear to be reducing friction and wear as the focus. Here is a press release from Chevron about what to expect.
Chevron Press Release on API-SQ

I like it "Team Drain Plug"! If you have a link for a recommended plug please do share it. Time to print up some shirts, stickers, coffee cups... LOL

 

[Cherokee]

528,000 trouble free miles out of a Tacoma 2.7 liter non turbo. Heavy work use, lots if weight and towing
10,000 mile oil change intervals. With Mobil 1 full syn. Compression falling at 528,000
Imagine that !
Buddy, same engine same taco same work load, both of us in the central Florida heat and humidity.
At 530,000 he had much more compression than I did.
He ran the cheapest jiffy lube NON synthetic roach oil also at 10,000 mile service intervals.
We never did any oil analysis.
We drove the crap out of those motors, 80-110,000 miles a year.
The Fords all made it well past 400,000
The Dodges did well to reach 400,000
The GM products did good often reaching 400,000
Nissans half a million easy.
At 2,000 miles a week no one did 5,000 mile oil change intervals
And this was most definitely sever duty use.
Average in bed cargo load was 800 pounds.
The Iridium trailer. A 5x8 enclosed weighed 2,000 pounds.
I may have pulled that more than my buddy so we think that’s why my compression started dropping before his.

 

[SafetyGuy]

I think it all depends on the focus of the person who is doing the oil analysis. I know for me my interest is typically when I get a new/new to me vehicle I want to know what is going on, and then if I make any significant changes I will pull some samples, but most of the time it is set it and forget it. And if I am doing the samples I end up doing a couple back to back to track the changes as there is always old oil/possibly different oil that was still in the engine. But I admit I am pretty boring once I have done my initial samples and I am OK with what is going on then I am just a routine oil change guy and don't bother sampling. I don't make significant changes much once I am happy with what was going on. I know there are folks that really want to know the details with every change. That typically isn't me if I am in my regular routine.

For my Mav when it gets here I will run it between 500-1000 miles depending on my schedule and when I can get it into the dealer. I will pull a sample with the break in oil. Then I will run that fresh oil for probably 1000-2000 miles and pull another sample and drain it. I will run the that oil change until the OLM says it is time to change it and will probably pull one more oil sample when I drop that oil just to see how it is going. That will probably be the end of my sampling and testing unless I change something up. From there it is typically routine changes.

There is a new oil category/specification as of March 31st of this year. They are improving their test cycles and have updated the engines they test with to reflect more modern powerplants and they appear to be reducing friction and wear as the focus. Here is a press release from Chevron about what to expect.
Chevron Press Release on API-SQ

I like it "Team Drain Plug"! If you have a link for a recommended plug please do share it. Time to print up some shirts, stickers, coffee cups... LOL

Dang, now I need to find a good drain plug (magnetized) that is appropriate so I can share the info...and i have to come up with a cool magnetic plug caricature with something eye catching stuck to it.

....my mind goes back to that mag plug I pulled out of a CH124 Main Gear Box (the easy one to get to on the port side, not the other one on the right...we always wanted it to be the easy one, so we always checked it first to see if the warning light was resolved).

My eyes were probably still the size of saucers and bulging when I showed it to my aircrew...

Andy

"TEAM MAG OIL PLUG,
what's in YOUR oil?"

Gotta start somewhere.

So where are my grand daughters crayons...gotta get busy.

 

[HenryFord]

528,000 trouble free miles out of a Tacoma 2.7 liter non turbo. Heavy work use, lots if weight and towing
10,000 mile oil change intervals. With Mobil 1 full syn. Compression falling at 528,000
Imagine that !
Buddy, same engine same taco same work load, both of us in the central Florida heat and humidity.
At 530,000 he had much more compression than I did.
He ran the cheapest jiffy lube NON synthetic roach oil also at 10,000 mile service intervals.
We never did any oil analysis.
We drove the crap out of those motors, both about 80-90,000 miles a year.

Am a sure you already know this, but those use cases for high miles commercial are actually less stressful on engine oil than the typical grocery getter short drive typical commuter type use case.
The big fleet operators have started to use technology and testing to determine maintenance intervals. It actually saves them time and money. Big rigs and fleets are not dropping oil every 3-5k miles by any stretch of the imagination. There is a lot of coverage about fleet management using oil analysis.
Fleets and oil analysis benefits

 

[Cherokee]

I drove a Ford 9000 fifteen ton twin screw for years. Oil change intervals were 20,000 but the thing held 26 quarts of oil, had a massive oil filter that held a quart and two good sized fuel filters.
1850 RPM at 75 mph,
Thirteen speed with a two speed splitter, a flat land tractor.
Pulled 51,000 pounds of cargo at 7.6 mpg,
I always kept it at 49,000 cause I needed to shorten my wheelbase up a little in Miami.

 

[Jim D]

Drive the vehicle at a sensible speed and be discerning driving off road.

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