Maverick EV reportedly on hold until early next decade [⚠️ LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[Gonzo chris]

Want to have electric cars that will sell?
1. Range of 600 miles or more.
2. Same utility across the board as ICE vehicles.
3. Charge time the same as filling up an ICE.
4. Cost comparable to ICE for the consumer.

Do that, and you will get people to buy full electric cars.

1) 600 miles? I would say that is rarely necessary for a 99% of people's daily uses. Especially if you're in your own home and can charge at night. If you occasionally take a road trip where you drive 500 miles without stopping them, I guess rent a car or don't get a n EV? There are ones now that do 300 mi + and then you have to stop for 20 minutes. If you're going 70 mi an hour steady, that's 4.5 hours of driving.
2) yes obviously if you use a truck to tell an RV long distances or anything long distances then don't get an EV but for most people and their daily suburban slog they are fine. You know people who drive crossovers and stuff
3) charge time at public chargers is down to 20 minutes or less which would be fine with me. It's just proliferation of chargers which is more of an issue. And if you road trip every week in a rural area then. Yeah it's not a good idea to get an EV but I'm in the suburbs and I live about 4 miles from work so I would plug it in once a week or so at hose and let it charge overnight while I'm sleeping.
4) battery cost is still too high so the only way at EV will make really financial sense is if you drive a lot of miles per year between make gas savings is a great deal.

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[Gonzo chris]

No idea on the accuracy of this Article, might be accurate, might be trash. Regardless, thought is was an interesting read.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...n&cvid=5d4d3706ffb54f049655e504313132de&ei=50

Makes sense. My only issue with a PHEV is I feel like I'm going to be hauling around and internal combustion engine and all of this is similarities like fuel system, exhaust system etc. And I'm rarely going to use it in my daily commute

 

[Gonzo chris]

The main point is that it is more expensive to build an electric vehicle.

The only thing that makes them more expensive is the battery. Battery prices have dropped but not as much as we would like. The rest of the car is much cheaper to build an electric motor only has a couple of moving parts. You don't need a ton of other stuff like a gas tank, exhaust system etc. And when you battery prices drop enough they will be cheaper to build

 

[wade2442]

I owned a '23 Rav 4 Prime. Well built and all that. Wanted a truck and now have a '24 Maverick Lariot. I'd jump on a plug in prime type Maverick. We'll see at some time.

 

[colinl]

4) battery cost is still too high so the only way at EV will make really financial sense is if you drive a lot of miles per year between make gas savings is a great deal.

that math will never work when you account for your time.

for me, time is the most valuable thing that I have. I cannot spend even 20 minutes charging an EV when I can pump gas in 5. and while some Teslas definitely can go from 20-80% in 20 minutes with the optimal charger, a lot of vehicles cannot charge that fast AND you cannot at all guarantee that you can go to a charging station- besides one in your own garage- is readily available for use when you need it. you either go very often to ensure you stay above 50%, or you can count on spending an hour or more to charge, sometimes. whereas gasoline is always 5-10 minutes to refuel.

the other problem is that road maintenance and many other things depend on gas taxes. I guarantee as soon as that revenue starts falling, EVs are going to get taxed to make up the difference. they'll figure it out.

 

[Lonnie gee]

The problem is those days are over !
There is never going to be a $10k Toyota,$15k Nissan or $17k Ford again .
Litigious Fools , lawyers and insurance companies killed that .
We gotta suck it up , and work harder to pay more now . Technology profits corporate world easier , so we pay for the Nannie’s and foo foo functions to”BETTER OUR LIVES” .
All I wanted was power windows , locks and a/c..I don’t need tpms , acas, electric steering assist ,lane centering cruise control, 6 or 8 airbags , touch screen with apps , led headlights , a series of driving modes , a commercial on the dashboard every time I start my entry level truck!
Too much foo foo !
Keep it simple!
My rant!
Loli!( love it or leave it!

 

[SLINGSHOT]

I think you need to do more reading on why Hertz sold off their EVs. I got diamond hands as much as the next guy but c'mon man......Hertz isn't exactly a shining example on how to run a company. They filed for Chapter 11 back in 2021 and were plagued with bad decisions long before that.

Sounds like the Big Three auto makers.

Beginning in the latter half of 2008, a global-scale recession adversely affected the economy of the United States. A combination of several years of declining automobile sales and scarce availability of credit led to a more widespread crisis in the United States auto industry in the years of 2008 and 2009.

Following dramatic drops in automobile sales throughout 2008, two of the "Big Three" U.S. automakers – General Motors (GM), and Chrysler – requested emergency loans in order to address impending cash shortages. By April 2009, the situation had worsened such that both GM and Chrysler were faced with imminent bankruptcy and liquidation. With the intent to prevent massive job losses and destabilizing damage to the entire manufacturing sector, the U.S. and Canadian governments provided unprecedented financial bailout ($85 billion) support to allow the companies to restructure and jettison legacy debt via Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Both companies separately filed for this protection by June 1.

General Motors emerged from bankruptcy as a new company majority-owned by the United States Treasury, and Chrysler emerged owned primarily by the United Auto Workers union and by Italian automaker Fiat S.p.A. Both companies terminated agreements with hundreds of their dealerships and GM discontinued several of its brands as part of bankruptcy proceedings. Ford Motor Company was able to survive without entering bankruptcy partly due to a large line of credit which it obtained in 2007.

 

[Lonnie gee]

The problem is those days are over !
There is never going to be a $10k Toyota,$15k Nissan or $17k Ford again .
Litigious Fools , lawyers and insurance companies killed that .
We gotta suck it up , and work harder to pay more now . Technology profits corporate world easier , so we pay for the Nannie’s and foo foo functions to”BETTER OUR LIVES” .
All I wanted was power windows , locks and a/c..I don’t need tpms , acas, electric steering assist ,lane centering cruise control, 6 or 8 airbags , touch screen with apps , led headlights , a series of driving modes , a commercial on the dashboard every time I start my entry level truck!
Too much foo foo !
Keep it simple!
My rant!
Loli!( love it or leave it!

You said exactly right , whatever happened to getting from point a to b ,
all of this overdone , and we all pay to much for it , what happened us as a people

 

[Gonzo chris]

that math will never work when you account for your time.

for me, time is the most valuable thing that I have. I cannot spend even 20 minutes charging an EV when I can pump gas in 5. and while some Teslas definitely can go from 20-80% in 20 minutes with the optimal charger, a lot of vehicles cannot charge that fast AND you cannot at all guarantee that you can go to a charging station- besides one in your own garage- is readily available for use when you need it. you either go very often to ensure you stay above 50%, or you can count on spending an hour or more to charge, sometimes. whereas gasoline is always 5-10 minutes to refuel.

the other problem is that road maintenance and many other things depend on gas taxes. I guarantee as soon as that revenue starts falling, EVs are going to get taxed to make up the difference. they'll figure it out.

Well the main problem I have with that is the term. Never. If you look at where an EV is at today, and I say this as a guy who does love gas cars, and compare that to 20 years ago, there has been a massive increase in ability in technology. There are plenty of other brands now that charge very quickly. But like I said it's not a perfect use case, Time is valuable. The thing is though if I could go 300 miles on a charge that's going to do the vast majority of my road trips and I would just get an Airbnb or hotel that had a charger. Also a 20 or 30 minutes stop after that long driving is pretty welcome usually. My point is for most people 99% of their driving is not 300 mi or more at a clip. If you do that regularly then yes it's not there yet for you. If you think about it, stopping at a gas station isn't a big deal. But that's your time. And if you plug in at home in your garage or driveway, you don't have to do that anymore.
Yes they will have to figure out the taxes. I disagree with EV fans who get annoyed by that because gas taxes do pay for road maintenance. The solution is pretty simple. State should just tax via the mileage with yearly registration as the way it works now, all else being equal MPG the more miles you drive, the more you're abusing the road, the more you're paying in taxes.. It would still be cheaper though

 

[son of a ..sven]

Even with the %25 tariff on Chinese cars, American Auto Mfgs. will not be able to compete with int influx that is coming from China. And deciding to slow down production of EV's here puts those companies ever further behind.

 

[Lonnie gee]

Makes sense. My only issue with a PHEV is I feel like I'm going to be hauling around and internal combustion engine and all of this is similarities like fuel system, exhaust system etc. And I'm rarely going to use it in my daily commute

To Chris Then you would do the eco or all Ev

 

[Bob The Builder]

Gonna take a looooong time to recoup all these so called "Start Up" losses. That in itself wiil keep prices high for some time. The shareholders cannot be happy or at least not as pleased as they would like to be.

If true about Rivian, not surprising. Takes lots of capital to keep the doors open amid the losses they have been experiencing.

 

[atomguy245]

This really isn't much of a surprise. Ford typically gets 10 years out of a platform, so even with a couple refreshes, the Maverick wasn't getting totally redesigned for years anyway. Same with the Bronco.

 

[AutobahnSHO]

Look - I loved my Model 3. It was wonderful, and I never had any issue charging it or finding a charger BUT that only applies to Tesla and I live in the 14th largest city (and 32ndish largest MSA) so it can very easily get more congested than what I faced.

Why did I get rid of my Tesla? Because even though I bought it when prices were at their near bottom for the M3LR - it was still one of the most expensive vehicles I've ever purchased compounded with any repair being major, costly, and time consuming (vehicle on the sidelines).

TL;DR - EVs are way overpriced and the masses do not want expensive vehicles that are expensive to repair and leave them stranded when they can't miss work to pay for their expensive vehicles and expensive repairs.

Make EVs cheaper.

A lot of that is not "EV" but "Tesla". They're still catching up to decades of other manufacturers having the experience of engineering vehicles to be easi(er) to maintain and repair, for parts to be in good supply, etc...

 

[CurtisB]

LOL, are you though? Because i simply asked a question about your original comment and you've become defensive and snarky.

If that is your idea of a conversation...whew.

Does, " I apologize for not being scientifically accurate in my statement. I'm just trying to have a conversation. Most of us in here are trying to do the same" not resonate as an apology? That is being "snarky".

Ok, I am going to make an attempt to make peace with my comments. If, sir, I have offended you and anyone else by my post, I sincerely apologize.

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