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[L30n1d45]

rubber banding effect that CVTs are known for

This perfectly describes how it feels when my Subaru accelerates.

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[L30n1d45]

Not sure what you mean by rubber banding affect (sp.

You hit the gas and the vehicle kinda stalls for a second before really 'kicking in'. It is extremely obvious on most traditional CVT vehicles.

The Maverick ecvt generally changes transmission ratio to hold power near max under hard acceleration. There are not conventional fixed ratio change

In effect, this is the only thing that the eCVT has in common with the traditional CVT, as far as I am aware, and that is simply because it does not have 'gears' to shift.

stating my experience with both the Maverick drivetrains

You compared the Maverick eCVT to a traditional CVT, acting like they are the same thing. There have been multiple people telling you they are not even remotely the same aside from "no gears". Even though you have been told multiple times that they are not the same, you keep drawing comparisons between them like they are.


I have a feeling you have never driven a vehicle with a traditional CVT in it for any extended period of time. If you had, you would not be making these comparisons.

 

[710-oil-614]

Detecting a sensitivity. Perhaps I've hit a nerve. My apologies - I'm purely dispassionate about it, and stating my experience with both the Maverick drivetrains. What I value in the product sounds different from what you value. I made no comment about sound. My post was simply about two additional benefits of the Ecoboost.

I have sports cars, and I prefer every vehicle I buy to be fun to drive. I observe Ford also recognizes that constituency, developing a Lobo product for 2025 leaning into sporting intentions. As I said, I find the Ecoboost has better driving dynamics for the reasons stated.

The 8F35 is known for performance.....

 

[710-oil-614]

This perfectly describes how it feels when my Subaru accelerates.

I've had 3 Subarus with the CVT. Pretty bulletproof transmission. Total ass to drive.

 

[dn325ci]

You hit the gas and the vehicle kinda stalls for a second before really 'kicking in'. It is extremely obvious on most traditional CVT vehicles.

In effect, this is the only thing that the eCVT has in common with the traditional CVT, as far as I am aware, and that is simply because it does not have 'gears' to shift.

You compared the Maverick eCVT to a traditional CVT, acting like they are the same thing. There have been multiple people telling you they are not even remotely the same aside from "no gears". Even though you have been told multiple times that they are not the same, you keep drawing comparisons between them like they are.

I have a feeling you have never driven a vehicle with a traditional CVT in it for any extended period of time. If you had, you would not be making these comparisons.

Wow, you and others are very passionate about your hybrids! All good. I like it.

Actually, what I said in a broader paragraph about driving dynamics was

I also find CVT's to be annoying to drive, and sometimes of dubious reliability in other manufacturer's products, though I could not say how that will play out in this product - might be fine.

Ford's continuously variable transmission drives like most continuously variable transmissions. As you admit, this is what it has in common with others. As I said from the start, I could not say how Ford's (and Toyota's) non-belted design plays out in reliability. I hope it's great.

 

[710-oil-614]

Wow, you and others are very passionate about your hybrids! All good. I like it.

Actually, what I said in a broader paragraph about driving dynamics was

Ford's continuously variable transmission drives like most continuously variable transmissions. As you admit, this is what it has in common with others. As I said from the start, I could not say how Ford's (and Toyota's) non-belted design plays out in reliability. I hope it's great.

LOL you really are so dense and belittling.

I think what we are passionate about is making sure that correct information is prevalent on these boards and that we dispel any non-truths like you are spitting.

Ford's Power Split electronic variable transmission does not drive like traditional CVTs that experience the rubber band effect, where you provide throttle input and by the time the drivetrain responds you're letting off the throttle and it almost shoots you forward like a rubber band that had energy.

The hybrid has more than 200 lb ft of torque available to it at initial throttle input. All 173 lb ft of torque from the electric motor plus whatever torque is available from the 2.5L. There is no rubber banding and there is no delay in power.

For me, I am passionate about making sure proper information about ALL mavericks is here on MTC. When someone like you comes in here spitting non-truths it can spread like wildfire if not met with truthful opposition.

 

[dn325ci]

LOL you really are so dense and belittling.

I think what we are passionate about is making sure that correct information is prevalent on these boards and that we dispel any non-truths like you are spitting.

Ford's Power Split electronic variable transmission does not drive like traditional CVTs that experience the rubber band effect, where you provide throttle input and by the time the drivetrain responds you're letting off the throttle and it almost shoots you forward like a rubber band that had energy.

The hybrid has more than 200 lb ft of torque available to it at initial throttle input. All 173 lb ft of torque from the electric motor plus whatever torque is available from the 2.5L. There is no rubber banding and there is no delay in power.

For me, I am passionate about making sure proper information about ALL mavericks is here on MTC. When someone like you comes in here spitting non-truths it can spread like wildfire if not met with truthful opposition.

I guess you've resorted to name calling. That's sad. People used to be able to debate their viewpoints without that.

But I see where we are disconnected here. You're talking about what you're calling rubber band effect. I made no mention of that - it is your interpretation. I mentioned "The Maverick ecvt generally changes transmission ratio to hold power near max under hard acceleration. There are not conventional fixed ratio changes". As another said "it does not have gears to shift." This is not a non-truth, and it has a demonstrable impact on the driving behavior.

 

[710-oil-614]

I guess you've resorted to name calling. That's sad. People used to be able to debate their viewpoints without that.

But I see where we are disconnected here. You're talking about what you're calling rubber band effect. I made no mention of that - it is your interpretation. I mentioned "The Maverick ecvt generally changes transmission ratio to hold power near max under hard acceleration. There are not conventional fixed ratio changes". As another said "it does not have gears to shift." This is not a non-truth, and it has a demonstrable impact on the driving behavior.

Stop with the gaslighting. What name did I call you? Because you called us passionate in a very passive aggressive manner. I called you dense (which is true) and belittling (also) true. Both in response to your backhanded passive aggressiveness.

It is one thing to come on here and be ignorant about the subjects that you are discussing, but please don't come on here and try and gaslight us.

 

[Timothyd]

Wow, you and others are very passionate about your hybrids! All good. I like it.

Actually, what I said in a broader paragraph about driving dynamics was

Ford's continuously variable transmission drives like most continuously variable transmissions. As you admit, this is what it has in common with others. As I said from the start, I could not say how Ford's (and Toyota's) non-belted design plays out in reliability. I hope it's great.

The eCVT has been around for awhile with excellent reliability. Researched it before I bought because I didn't want the belt/pully system.

 

[Chase300]

Detecting a sensitivity. Perhaps I've hit a nerve. My apologies - I'm purely dispassionate about it, and stating my experience with both the Maverick drivetrains. What I value in the product sounds different from what you value. I made no comment about sound. My post was simply about two additional benefits of the Ecoboost.

I have sports cars, and I prefer every vehicle I buy to be fun to drive. I observe Ford also recognizes that constituency, developing a Lobo product for 2025 leaning into sporting intentions. As I said, I find the Ecoboost has better driving dynamics for the reasons stated.

You are too funny. Nope, no nerve, not a Ford Fanboy. All my other vehicles are Mopars. I standby my statement you don't know anything about the Maverick Hybrid. Its not more complex, actually I can argue less so than your Eco2.0L.
Also the powertrain is silky smooth, its something you can't appreciate until you spend some real time with it. No way you can understand with just a test drive, even an extended test drive. I know I didn't appreciate it and what Ford did until I spent considerable time behind the wheel in all types of traffic/situations, trying out the different modes extensively and towing with it.
IMO It should be the ONLY powertrain offered in the Lariat.
Lobo should be a Turbo/Hybrid.

 

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[dn325ci]

Its not more complex, actually I can argue less so than your Eco2.0L..

Despite all the name calling going around, I'm always interested in a fact-based point of view, and would be interested in this argument if you'd like to make it.

 

[L30n1d45]

Ford's continuously variable transmission drives like most continuously variable transmissions. As you admit, this is what it has in common with others.

You're leaving out the rubber band effect not existing with the eCVT, which makes it NOT drive like most CVTs.

As I said before, the only thing it has in common is that there are no 'gears' for it to shift through.

As I said from the start, I could not say how Ford's (and Toyota's) non-belted design plays out in reliability. I hope it's great.

That patently isn't what you said from the start. Ill quote it below as a refresher.

I also find CVT's to be annoying to drive, and sometimes of dubious reliability in other manufacturer's products, though I could not say how that will play out in this product - might be fine

You implied that the eCVT may be plagued with the same reliability concerns that a traditional CVT has which doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

I think what we are passionate about is making sure that correct information is prevalent on these boards and that we dispel any non-truths like you are spitting.

This is my goal. Accurate information.

 

[dn325ci]

You're leaving out the rubber band effect not existing with the eCVT, which makes it NOT drive like most CVTs.

As I said before, the only thing it has in common is that there are no 'gears' for it to shift through.

I think what makes a continuously variable transmission drive like a continuously variable transmission is the "continuously variable" part - the holding of engine speed at nearly constant rpm under acceleration while varying the ratio. The vehicle's acceleration is largely detached from a change in engine rpm.

We know this is the broader customer concern about CVTs because a few manufacturers have now spent resources to implement simulated gear shifts to replicate fixed ratios under some driving conditions.

This is a driving characteristic that Ford's continuously variable transmission shares with other CVT's. All the wild gesturing about rubber band does not change this fact.

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