It was fun while it lasted

[Chase300]

Like you, op the mpg's were not an Issue so I stayed away from the Hybrid Technology and am glad I did. My Eco 2.0L has all the power I need and then some

There is more to the Hybrid than just the FE. But you won't know until you own it. I can't see any upside to the Eco 2.0L over the Hybrid other than a little more HP.

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[710-oil-614]

There is more to the Hybrid than just the FE. But you won't know until you own it. I can't see any upside to the Eco 2.0L over the Hybrid other than a little more HP.

The upside was AWD and 4K tow which is no longer. The remaining upside is the Tremor and the Lobo.

There is no arguing that it’s a potent engine and more powerful than the hybrid but for as well sorted as the 2.0 and 8F35 feel the hybrid drivetrain is just buttery smooth and makes for a much better driving experience.

Quieter, smoother, less NVH - it makes the Maverick feel a step above imo.

and I loved my 23 Tremor.

 

[Bad Samaritan]

There is more to the Hybrid than just the FE. But you won't know until you own it. I can't see any upside to the Eco 2.0L over the Hybrid other than a little more HP.

Exactly.

Originally, my better half and I decided to get a Rivian R1T, we already owned a Tesla and loved the idea of going full-EV. We hoped for the charging infrastructure here in Minnesota to keep up, like it did in California, but that never happened. And we like to take longer trips. For that reason, we decided that we needed a truck that would not be affected by availability/absence of quick-charging stations.

Therefore a hybrid was the next best thing. Back then, the Tacoma was the only available offering on the market of midsize hybrid AWD trucks. Turned out, its hybrid was doing nothing to the fuel economy and only provided extra torque which was an overkill for us.

Luckily, Ford announced a long-awaited hybrid AWD model of the Maverick, so here it is, in my garage.

 

[Packer Bill]

Nissan Trucks are top of the heap for Imports.

Nissan Frontier continually ranks on the bottom (car and driver, motor trend, etc.) along with Jeep. I would say no thank you to the Nissan Frontier.

 

[Camdak]

There is more to the Hybrid than just the FE. But you won't know until you own it. I can't see any upside to the Eco 2.0L over the Hybrid other than a little more HP.

And maybe battery issues.

 

[dn325ci]

There is more to the Hybrid than just the FE. But you won't know until you own it. I can't see any upside to the Eco 2.0L over the Hybrid other than a little more HP.

I wouldn't bash the hybrid - I think it's a great, innovative product. I'm also generally a supporter of electrification, and I own a Tesla Model S Plaid among other cars.

Since you put it that way though, my perspective is there are two other benefits to the Ecoboost.

The EB driving dynamics are superior for the owners who are driving enthusiasts - I happen to be one of them. I have spent time with both, and there are a lot of decisions the software is making, predicated on the battery's state of charge and other inputs, that make it a lot less predictable about what it will do in a scenario. It's fine most of the time. I also find CVT's to be annoying to drive, and sometimes of dubious reliability in other manufacturer's products, though I could not say how that will play out in this product - might be fine. The braking is also unpredictable.

Secondly, when you purchase a hybrid you are accepting all the complexities of an electric drivetrain + all the complexities of a gas drivetrain + the middleware & software layer to control the interactions. It could be great, but it's also more opportunity for things to go wrong or not operate well. I like the simple honesty of the gas drivetrain and conventional transmission for this application.

But of course the big benefit of the hybrid is fuel economy, and it is demonstrably better at that. At the time I was making a purchasing decision, I completed an analysis of the benefit of the hybrid fuel economy savings would be $392.86 per year at 12,500 driven and $2.75 gasoline. The hybrid pricing premium for the model I was looking at was $1,750, so it would result in a 4.45 year breakeven point. Therefore I decided I valued the two Ecoboost benefits more than paying 1,750 for a 392.86 savings each year.

 

[710-oil-614]

I also find CVT's to be annoying to drive, and sometimes of dubious reliability in other manufacturer's products, though I could not say how that will play out in this product - might be fine. The braking is also unpredictable.

I agree with you. It's a good thing Maverick hybrids don't have a CVT!

They really suck.

 

[L30n1d45]

I also find CVT's to be annoying to drive, and sometimes of dubious reliability in other manufacturer's products, though I could not say how that will play out in this product - might be fine

The Maverick's eCVT is nowhere near the same as a 'traditional' CVT.

The only thing they share in common is three letters in the name. Still have no clue why Ford named it that, considering the reputation of CVT transmissions.

 

[dn325ci]

The Maverick's eCVT is nowhere near the same as a 'traditional' CVT.

The only thing they share in common is three letters in the name. Still have no clue why Ford named it that, considering the reputation of CVT transmissions.

Yes, of course you are right about the design - no belt, as many other CVT's have. However, it is a CVT and the driving behavior is the same in that regard.

 

[Chase300]

I wouldn't bash the hybrid - I think it's a great, innovative product. I'm also generally a supporter of electrification, and I own a Tesla Model S Plaid among other cars.

Since you put it that way though, my perspective is there are two other benefits to the Ecoboost.

The EB driving dynamics are superior for the owners who are driving enthusiasts - I happen to be one of them. I have spent time with both, and there are a lot of decisions the software is making, predicated on the battery's state of charge and other inputs, that make it a lot less predictable about what it will do in a scenario. It's fine most of the time. I also find CVT's to be annoying to drive, and sometimes of dubious reliability in other manufacturer's products, though I could not say how that will play out in this product - might be fine. The braking is also unpredictable.

Secondly, when you purchase a hybrid you are accepting all the complexities of an electric drivetrain + all the complexities of a gas drivetrain + the middleware & software layer to control the interactions. It could be great, but it's also more opportunity for things to go wrong or not operate well. I like the simple honesty of the gas drivetrain and conventional transmission for this application.

But of course the big benefit of the hybrid is fuel economy, and it is demonstrably better at that. At the time I was making a purchasing decision, I completed an analysis of the benefit of the hybrid fuel economy savings would be $392.86 per year at 12,500 driven and $2.75 gasoline. The hybrid pricing premium for the model I was looking at was $1,750, so it would result in a 4.45 year breakeven point. Therefore I decided I valued the two Ecoboost benefits more than paying 1,750 for a 392.86 savings each year.

Well just as I noted. You don't know anything about the Mav. Hybrid. But if you owned one you would, plus I will argue its the PERFECT fit for the Lariat Trim as being the Lux trim, silence is Luxury. If you're about performance, Ford makes a really good sports car. Mustang.

 

[710-oil-614]

Yes, of course you are right about the design - no belt, as many other CVT's have. However, it is a CVT and the driving behavior is the same in that regard.

No it is not. You do not get any rubber banding effect that CVTs are known for.

With that logic - the hybrid engine is identical to the Ecoboost because you know, they are both engines.....

 

[Chase300]

And maybe battery issues.

I have had Zero issues to date with my 2024, though only 15K miles. I have read some here have reported issues with the 12v battery. I also see Eco 2.0L owners reporting transmission failures.
Which is less $$ to replace? Checkmate.

 

[dn325ci]

No it is not. You do not get any rubber banding affect that CVTs are known for.

With that logic - the hybrid engine is identical to the Ecoboost because you know, they are both engines.....

Not sure what you mean by rubber banding affect (sp.). The Maverick ecvt generally changes transmission ratio to hold power near max under hard acceleration. There are not conventional fixed ratio changes. Not sure if that constitutes rubber banding but it is quite obviously a different behavior.

 

[710-oil-614]

Not sure what you mean by rubber banding affect (sp.). The Maverick ecvt generally changes transmission ratio to hold power near max under hard acceleration. There are not conventional fixed ratio changes. Not sure if that constitutes rubber banding but it is quite obviously a different behavior.

it’s clear you don’t know about the hybrid drivetrain and are being purposely dense to support your position instead of saying “I did not know the transmission wasn’t the same as a traditional cvt”

 

[dn325ci]

Well just as I noted. You don't know anything about the Mav. Hybrid. But if you owned one you would, plus I will argue its the PERFECT fit for the Lariat Trim as being the Lux trim, silence is Luxury. If you're about performance, Ford makes a really good sports car. Mustang.

Detecting a sensitivity. Perhaps I've hit a nerve. My apologies - I'm purely dispassionate about it, and stating my experience with both the Maverick drivetrains. What I value in the product sounds different from what you value. I made no comment about sound. My post was simply about two additional benefits of the Ecoboost.

I have sports cars, and I prefer every vehicle I buy to be fun to drive. I observe Ford also recognizes that constituency, developing a Lobo product for 2025 leaning into sporting intentions. As I said, I find the Ecoboost has better driving dynamics for the reasons stated.

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