Issues with Tariffs, both Mexico AND Canada [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS; MEMBERS ALREADY BANNED FOR IT]

[Bob zimmerman]

100% agree that we should talk bout this. Anything less is censorship.

The direct reason we talk about tariffs on this forum is because it is a real issue that is going to affect my friends on this forum who are buying or are waiting for their Maverick.

The rest of the issues related to tariffs are being discussed on other forums related to the goods they are buying or selling.

Yes this has been extremely civil.
Bob

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[johnny99]

The tariff is not due and payable until they are imported. They can be transported to a port of entry one of which is at Midlothian Texas about 20-25 miles south of Dallas Texas.

Help me out here. You're saying that just 20 miles south of Dallas is a location considered a port of entry where Mavericks clear customs? Dallas is 100's of miles from Nogales, Mexico, the entry point for the Maverick.

 

[mspmms]

Is every forum member required to start a topic on tariffs?

Meme => link

 

[FreedomPenguin]

guys ford changed website, 100% focused on f150 niw
Actually hard to find 25 maverick page lol

 

[Dignam]

Make it stop!

 

[Mav_RICK]

Neither Mexico or Canada can afford a trade war with the U.S. Calm down Maverick buyers this is short term pain for long term gain. That gain can happen on many fronts which is a political discussion so that will be left aside but I predict any disruptions will be short lived.

 

[XLTrucklet]

"Raw Aluminum " OK. But crude aluminum is sourced from bauxite ore. And that does not come from Canada. Maybe other locations will be developed to process the ore into raw metal. Who knows but why is Canada unique here in processing ore into useable metal form ?

Easy answer - Cheap (hydro)electricity with long term rate contracts.
Aluminum refineries require massive amounts of electricity and often located near 'falling water'. This is why Iceland (even further from any bauxite mine...) also has aluminum smelters.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Help me out here. You're saying that just 20 miles south of Dallas is a location considered a port of entry where Mavericks clear customs? Dallas is 100's of miles from Nogales, Mexico, the entry point for the Maverick.

There are over 300 ports of entry. A lot of them airports usually named like Podunk, State international airport.
You can find them here if I copied link correctly. For Maverick on rail car with a non port of entry destination it would be considered imported there if it clears customs there. Do the trains go somewhere and spend a day or week or ? There to clear customs?
https://www.cbp.gov/about/contact/ports
ETA: MIDLOTHIAN TX IS Not port of entry, I thought it was. It's only a large rail port business park.

 

[Matso]

25% is 25%, That's bad enough, don't add them.

 

[sapperforward]

I saw on here a lot of posts about the upcoming tariffs, and I just wanted to mention that while all the posts I read exclusively mentioned the Mavericks Mexican involvement, I also wanted to tell everyone that Canada is definitely involved as well.

I work at Arconic in Davenport, IA. We make the aluminum alloys for all the Ford bodies and frames. I can tell you, without hesitation, that 90+% of all our raw or "prime" aluminum originates in Canada. I have unloaded thousands of tons from railcars myself. No raw aluminum=no aluminum alloys. We do a fair bit of recycling/reusing but at best thats 76%, and thats not perpetually sustainable. We need millions of tons a month of prime aluminum.

So, with the vehicle being assembled in Mexico, with aluminum sourced from Canada, it could be, functionally, a 50% tariff.

Not trying to be political. I am stating provable facts. Not solutions.

I saw on here a lot of posts about the upcoming tariffs, and I just wanted to mention that while all the posts I read exclusively mentioned the Mavericks Mexican involvement, I also wanted to tell everyone that Canada is definitely involved as well.

I work at Arconic in Davenport, IA. We make the aluminum alloys for all the Ford bodies and frames. I can tell you, without hesitation, that 90+% of all our raw or "prime" aluminum originates in Canada. I have unloaded thousands of tons from railcars myself. No raw aluminum=no aluminum alloys. We do a fair bit of recycling/reusing but at best thats 76%, and thats not perpetually sustainable. We need millions of tons a month of prime aluminum.

So, with the vehicle being assembled in Mexico, with aluminum sourced from Canada, it could be, functionally, a 50% tariff.

Not trying to be political. I am stating provable facts. Not solutions.

Tariffs in general are not automatically passing on to the consumer they affect the parent companies of said products. In reality there's been tariffs in places on things for decades regardless of who sits in DC so I wouldn't start chicken littling over anything at the moment and IGNORE the MSM hyperbole ( besides FORD knows damn well that they would sell them zero nada zip if they attempted to pass anything near that onto anyone)

 

[KEMeyer]

I saw on here a lot of posts about the upcoming tariffs, and I just wanted to mention that while all the posts I read exclusively mentioned the Mavericks Mexican involvement, I also wanted to tell everyone that Canada is definitely involved as well.

I work at Arconic in Davenport, IA. We make the aluminum alloys for all the Ford bodies and frames. I can tell you, without hesitation, that 90+% of all our raw or "prime" aluminum originates in Canada. I have unloaded thousands of tons from railcars myself. No raw aluminum=no aluminum alloys. We do a fair bit of recycling/reusing but at best thats 76%, and thats not perpetually sustainable. We need millions of tons a month of prime aluminum.

So, with the vehicle being assembled in Mexico, with aluminum sourced from Canada, it could be, functionally, a 50% tariff.

Not trying to be political. I am stating provable facts. Not solutions.

Here's another fact: competition significantly affects how much of a tariff is passed on to consumers. In markets with less competition, businesses are more likely to pass the full cost of a tariff onto consumers by raising prices, while in highly competitive markets, businesses may absorb more of the cost to remain competitive and avoid losing customers.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Tariffs in general are not automatically passing on to the consumer they affect the parent companies of said products. In reality there's been tariffs in places on things for decades regardless of who sits in DC so I wouldn't start chicken littling over anything at the moment and IGNORE the MSM hyperbole ( besides FORD knows damn well that they would sell them zero nada zip if they attempted to pass anything near that onto anyone)

Finally a voice of reason. Thank you.

 

[Joliet Mike]

I saw on here a lot of posts about the upcoming tariffs, and I just wanted to mention that while all the posts I read exclusively mentioned the Mavericks Mexican involvement, I also wanted to tell everyone that Canada is definitely involved as well.

I work at Arconic in Davenport, IA. We make the aluminum alloys for all the Ford bodies and frames. I can tell you, without hesitation, that 90+% of all our raw or "prime" aluminum originates in Canada. I have unloaded thousands of tons from railcars myself. No raw aluminum=no aluminum alloys. We do a fair bit of recycling/reusing but at best thats 76%, and thats not perpetually sustainable. We need millions of tons a month of prime aluminum.

So, with the vehicle being assembled in Mexico, with aluminum sourced from Canada, it could be, functionally, a 50% tariff.

Not trying to be political. I am stating provable facts. Not solutions.

After I retired I purchased a used semi-truck and traveled the country delivering supplies. One of the items was

I saw on here a lot of posts about the upcoming tariffs, and I just wanted to mention that while all the posts I read exclusively mentioned the Mavericks Mexican involvement, I also wanted to tell everyone that Canada is definitely involved as well.

I work at Arconic in Davenport, IA. We make the aluminum alloys for all the Ford bodies and frames. I can tell you, without hesitation, that 90+% of all our raw or "prime" aluminum originates in Canada. I have unloaded thousands of tons from railcars myself. No raw aluminum=no aluminum alloys. We do a fair bit of recycling/reusing but at best thats 76%, and thats not perpetually sustainable. We need millions of tons a month of prime aluminum.

So, with the vehicle being assembled in Mexico, with aluminum sourced from Canada, it could be, functionally, a 50% tariff.

Not trying to be political. I am stating provable facts. Not solutions.

After I retired I drove a semi-truck across the country for about 5 years. During that time I picked up a load of very large steel posts from Windsor Canada that the U.S. paid for. Then carried these loads to El Paso, TX where crews from Mexico built/welded these posts together to construct the wall across US/Mexico boarder and we paid their wages to do this. We purchased steel from Canada and hired Mexicans from Mexico to build the wall. Are we a bunch of hippocrytes or what? Makes me sick. Now with these tariffs it will cost us much more for the wall that Mexico DID NOT pay for. Thanks for letting me vet.

 

[Bob The Builder]

Gotta go fellas!!! Running out of popcorn, Anyone one else addicted to that Amish Country hull less variety?? Just 3 ingredients, corn, oil & salt. No artificial witchcraft. MAHA. Stuff is superb.

 

[Oscarcat]

"Raw Aluminum " OK. But crude aluminum is sourced from bauxite ore. And that does not come from Canada. Maybe other locations will be developed to process the ore into raw metal. Who knows but why is Canada unique here in processing ore into useable metal form ?

Why aluminium from Canada? = Processing aluminium requires lots of electricity. Canada has abundant hydro electric power for this purpose.

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