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If all Hybrids will not be built, will ford give option to purchase EB

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Honestly I think it's typical "business strategy". Get them emotionally hooked and then upsell upsell upsell. They keep the price low because they know it will garner interest and get people in their showrooms or at the very least calling about the product. Think about all of the hybrid orders that WON'T get built due to the constraints but DO get converted to an Ecoboost. They probably never had a chance of selling that customer an Ecoboost Maverick but now they are emotionally attached to the idea of a Maverick and some will justify the switch to an Ecoboost and now Ford has a higher profit margin sale that they wouldn't have had if they had only accepted the amount of hybrid orders they could actually build. Pure speculation but it wouldn't surprise me. I believe the Maverick has excellent conquest statistics, ie selling to people who owned other brands and different segment vehicles like the Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla and I think the super low price and standard hybrid powertrain is a big part of that.
I think this idea is like a lot of government consperecy theories. It incorrectly assums the organization is capable enough to even come up with a strategy. That seems unlikely. Clearly, they have almost no idea what they are doing. They ran out of Ford emblems for F-150's! If there were ever any smart people at Ford, they have all retired.
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Ford will only be able to build about (half, I guess) of hybrid orders requested for 2023 and receive them in 23.
On other hand the capacity to build EB's are twice the amount requested (at least that is what is said on a post started).

I wonder if Ford would reach out and Give opportunity for those requested Hybrids to chose an EB instead and have it built and delivered in 23?

Additionally. Does Ford know which customers ordering hybrids in 23 will get their orders fulfilled in 2023 or do they just randomly pick who gets order fulfilled.
Note: I would like the option to cancel my order for 23 if I knew they weren't going to build my request ordered on 9/16/23
 

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Curious what your source is for this. You state it as fact so I assume you have something from Ford with that info. All I have seen is random rumors with no basis on Facebook and some early comments here that Ford planned a 65 / 35 split. But no actual proof from Ford of even that, not that I've seen.

If true it is going to be a disappointing year for some, but even if Ford planned a 65 / 35 split doesn't mean they cannot adapt to reality. Let's hope so anyway.
i have an EB 23 order not scheduled yet with xlt and co pilot thats it..so hope mine gets scheduled soon. i just bought a 22 xlt hybrid with lux package so if i get my 23 i may trade this one in..but will c..at least i have some leverage i hope i have a maverick no matter what i did pay 4k over msrp but 32k not bad for the hybrid i got
 

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I think this idea is like a lot of government consperecy theories. It incorrectly assums the organization is capable enough to even come up with a strategy. That seems unlikely. Clearly, they have almost no idea what they are doing. They ran out of Ford emblems for F-150's! If there were ever any smart people at Ford, they have all retired.
It's a very very common sales tactic. It's been around for years and still works with the advertised vaporware stock number vehicles that dealers advertise at too good to be true prices to get customers into the showroom. Ford did it with the Lightning and the supposed $40k entry level model that they barely built any of and so many people wound up going with XLT or even Lariat models when they planned on spending 40k. Not a conspiracy theory and don't underestimate a company that has been in the business for over 100 years. They've learned a few things and there is a lot of psychology in sales and marketing.
 

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Some reasonable,,but there is a cost...loosing upset customers,,,expecially if other manufacturers produce alternative to the maverick...just don't know if the gain for Ford outweight the risk...

I like this forum it sharpens the mind to think critical...all of which we need to do in this country.
I wonder if a long term solution is practical? If capacity is 10,000 units/month and dealer orders could match special orders production will be a severe problem. They need an additional facility to build Mavericks as it could be popular for several years. Is that cost feasible? Does Ford or potential partners have any plants that are mothballed or less than capacity that can be retooled to produce Mavericks? It’s been done before, and might be better than the loss of a large amount of sales and PR nightmare at a time when many are considering Ford for the first time.
 

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It's a very very common sales tactic. It's been around for years and still works with the advertised vaporware stock number vehicles that dealers advertise at too good to be true prices to get customers into the showroom. Ford did it with the Lightning and the supposed $40k entry level model that they barely built any of and so many people wound up going with XLT or even Lariat models when they planned on spending 40k. Not a conspiracy theory and don't underestimate a company that has been in the business for over 100 years. They've learned a few things and there is a lot of psychology in sales and marketing.
My original 2022 order was hybrid Lariat Lux with a bunch of other options, replacing a Cadillac ATS. I would have paid thousands more for it, if they could have made it. Making the hybrid standard and pricing it low without the ability to build them was a stupid mistake. With their 100 years of experience, all they have done is made me buy a Honda Accord hybrid and swear I'll never buy a Ford. My current Hybrid XL order is for my daughter because it would be a great bargain and perfect for her if they actually build one for us.
 

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My original 2022 order was hybrid Lariat Lux with a bunch of other options, replacing a Cadillac ATS. I would have paid thousands more for it, if they could have made it. Making the hybrid standard and pricing it low without the ability to build them was a stupid mistake. With their 100 years of experience, all they have done is made me buy a Honda Accord hybrid and swear I'll never buy a Ford. My current Hybrid XL order is for my daughter because it would be a great bargain and perfect for her if they actually build one for us.
With all the conquest sales they are getting on the Maverick from Toyota and Honda I don't think they're worried about losing a handful of customers here and there who are disgruntled with the process. They even still got a potential sale out of you.......
 

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That is a fair point but I still maintain that they handled it all wrong. If they made the ecoboost standard and the hybrid only available on the top trims, they would have made more money and had less pissed off people. There should not have ever been a Hybrid XL. No one was expecting a cheap hybrid.
 

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My dealer told me he gets his information from social media.....seriously. I tend to take most of what I read here based on that mindset.....some truth, some fiction, and a lot of wishes....If my 22 hybrid EVER arrives, it will be a miracle. Apparently, I chose the wrong dealer (not a Ford favorite?) to order through....No info forthcoming....guessing maybe a 23 at this point....but nothing definite....waiting since October '21...
 
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I wonder if a long term solution is practical? If capacity is 10,000 units/month and dealer orders could match special orders production will be a severe problem. They need an additional facility to build Mavericks as it could be popular for several years. Is that cost feasible? Does Ford or potential partners have any plants that are mothballed or less than capacity that can be retooled to produce Mavericks? It’s been done before, and might be better than the loss of a large amount of sales and PR nightmare at a time when many are considering Ford for the first time.
You have generated good critical thinking questions.
 
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That is a fair point but I still maintain that they handled it all wrong. If they made the ecoboost standard and the hybrid only available on the top trims, they would have made more money and had less pissed off people. There should not have ever been a Hybrid XL. No one was expecting a cheap hybrid.
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They ran out of Ford emblems for F-150's! If there were ever any smart people at Ford, they have all retired.

Except...that isn't correct...they ran out of trim level badges that go on the sides of the truck
 

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Ok Gentlemen and Ladies, I am new to this site and placed my order Sept 19th....for a 23my Hybrid Lariat, black appearance package, 360 packages and spray in bed liner...after reading all o the post since September I have little or no hope of every seeing this truck...I did finally get to see and sit in one today and was really impressed...reason,,, I was at the dealer to trade in my 2020 Ranger Lariat for a 2022 F150 XLT...I will keep my Maverick order active but just really do not think I will every see it... I am sure I can payoff the f150 before Ford even build mine and use as a trade for the Maverick....A very impatient Ford owner....
 

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I waited 13 months, rolled over from 22 to 23, Maverick XLT, Hybrid, CP360, and last week I received an email from Ford stating my vehicle will be built the week of December 19th. I have been waiting a long time and if they tell me I cannot have a hybrid it will be the last Ford we ever buy. I really don’t believe anything anybody says anymore about what Ford will and will not make.
 

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Ford will only be able to build about (half, I guess) of hybrid orders requested for 2023 and receive them in 23.
On other hand the capacity to build EB's are twice the amount requested (at least that is what is said on a post started).

I wonder if Ford would reach out and Give opportunity for those requested Hybrids to chose an EB instead and have it built and delivered in 23?

Additionally. Does Ford know which customers ordering hybrids in 23 will get their orders fulfilled in 2023 or do they just randomly pick who gets order fulfilled.
Note: I would like the option to cancel my order for 23 if I knew they weren't going to build my request ordered on 9/16/23
There are just too many assumptions in this line of thinking. You may be right, but keep in mind, they watched order volume coming in..... they warned Dealers 4 days after order window opened that it would later close.... and then they closed the window...

Did they presell 100% of capacity? Dunno. We do know that while Maverick is crazy high demand, it is also catabolizing Ford Ranger sales, and Bronco sales are slowing.

Why did they close the order banks (with a lot of thoughtful preparation?).

You may be just fine. It makes sense for them to want cars on the lots of dealers.

I am speculating in the other direction, but it's plausible that they build everything that was ordered within the entirety of a year.
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