Hybrid Maverick Power Loss, P1061 Code, Faulty Rod Bearing, Engine Replacemnet

[colinl]

The ICE is actually a Ford / Mazda design that is 20+ years old. It has been a reliable engine since around 1999, and many including me have had this engine on the Ford Escape. Mazda still uses a variant of this engine on the Mazda 3 and other models. The tranny is based on a AISIN / Toyota design. So both the engine and tranny are collaborations with well known and highly thought of companies.

the ecoboost 2.0L in the maverick is not related to the older Mazda duratec engines, or the new Mazda skyactive engines. it is 100% Ford from the ground-up.

Aisin designed the 8F35 and a 9 speed transmission that it is based on, but Ford manufacturers this transmission in-house so I would not really call it a Toyota transmission.

The Aisin transmission design is used in a lot of brands. If there is a transverse engine with a 8 or 9 speed transmission that isn't actually a CVT, it's probably Aisin. BMW, Toyota, GM, VW almost everyone has it.

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[colinl]

Dealer called with an update.

Apparently Ford is now replacing the entire 'long block'. So basically, they are replacing the entire engine.

Ford has denied my escalation of my buy back claim , they will not reverse their decision. I'm weighing my legal options now with my lawyer. It's becoming extremely frustrating

A long block technically is an engine without accessories such as alternator, water pump and AC compressor. (When those are present, it's a 'complete engine'.)

On an engine with relatively low miles, I personally would consider a long block materially the same as a complete engine replacement. I agree that the timing chain work was ineffective and they wasted time and money trying that rather than just replacing the engine to start.

 

[Gergify]

What are Carvana, Carmax, dealer buyback numbers? With high resale values consider getting this Maverick off your plate without the longer and expensive attorney process of lemon buyback.

I'm considering that. Selling after repairs are complete.

Under federal lemon laws, Ford is technically on the hook for my legal fees regardless of outcome. But your right about it being a frustrating process I might just not want to deal with.

My dealer has been great. Ford on the other hand, has given me the 'we don't really care, good luck with your legal action' attitude since denying my request, I can't get them to help in anyway. If my attorney gives me the green light, I might go with it out of spite at this point

 

[Gergify]

A quick update:

Despite putting in an 'emergency order request' my dealer is still waiting for parts from Ford. Still no ETA.

For those who may be in a similar situation, I'd advise you speak to a law firm specializing in lemon laws. Supposedly this is potentially falling squarely under federal lemon laws, and you may be entitled to compensation. I'd recommend not even contacting Ford, less than helpful and not worth the effort.

 

[Gergify]

Back with another update.

Dealer still has no ETA of replacement long block from Ford. The tech I spoke to didn't seem enthusiast about they're (dealership) 'ballpark' of mid August either. Nearly 3mos, with no truck

 

[Gergify]

New update:

Engine received last week and work was completed over the weekend.

Went in to pick up, drove 20ft in the parking lot and check engine light comes on immediately. Tech plugged in and test driving to diagnose. Currently sitting waiting for the results.

Incredibly frustrating.

EDIT: Dealer is claiming the code was a 'network error', most likely resulting from the engine swap. They noted that it shouldn't return after they clear it and if it does I will need to drop vehicle off again.

 

[colinl]

New update:

Engine received last week and work was completed over the weekend.

Went in to pick up, drove 20ft in the parking lot and check engine light comes on immediately. Tech plugged in and test driving to diagnose. Currently sitting waiting for the results.

Incredibly frustrating.

EDIT: Dealer is claiming the code was a 'network error', most likely resulting from the engine swap. They noted that it shouldn't return after they clear it and if it does I will need to drop vehicle off again.

man, that sucks. I don't have much confidence in that dealership's technical ability or professionalism.

 

[HeyBales]

the ecoboost 2.0L in the maverick is not related to the older Mazda duratec engines, or the new Mazda skyactive engines. it is 100% Ford from the ground-up.

Aisin designed the 8F35 and a 9 speed transmission that it is based on, but Ford manufacturers this transmission in-house so I would not really call it a Toyota transmission.

The Aisin transmission design is used in a lot of brands. If there is a transverse engine with a 8 or 9 speed transmission that isn't actually a CVT, it's probably Aisin. BMW, Toyota, GM, VW almost everyone has it.

I thought the topic was the hybrid?

 

[colinl]

I thought the topic was the hybrid?

the reply I'm quoting was off topic, but also factually incorrect.

 

[ShadowBlack XL440]

EDIT: As of June 26th, it seems the problem relates to the recent CSP about the faulty rod bearing. My Maverick is getting the one-time engine replacement. Timing chain replacement noted below appears to have been unnecessary.

Engine swap was completed Aug 5th, will report if further issues arise.

I updated the title to better reflect the threads content.

TDLR timeline:

• May 6th: Problem first occurred. Dropped off at dealer
• May 8th: Vehicle returned after 'software resets'
• May 17th: Issue occurred again. First dealership reset software to make drive-able, but did not offer rentals, so I took it to another dealer. Problem re-occurred again on way to second dealership.
• May 22th: Vehicle returned, after dealership conducted 'diagnoses and software fixes'
• May 23rd: Issue occurred again, and vehicle returned to dealer
• June 5th: Buy back request submitted to Ford
• June 6th: Vehicle returned from dealer. extension work conducted (replacement of knock sensor and all timing chain components)
• June 14th: Problem occurred again. Vehicle dropped back off at dealer. Ford buy back 'still in review', should hear back in next 5 days. Contacted lawyer to review legal options in the event Ford denies buy back.
• June 18th: Dealer called and said they haven't found anything, more updates EoW.
• June 19th: Ford denies buy back request
• June 21st: Ford buy back team denies my escalation, stating they will not reverse their decision.
• June 26th: Dealer is now working to replace the entire 'long block' . Waiting on parts. They were unable to give me a time frame
• July 29th: Crate engine received from Ford and swap begins.
• August 5th: Swap completed and vehicle picked up. Will report if any further issues come up.

I posted a while back about an issue I was having with my Maverick Hybrid losing power randomly. After nearly a month in the shop, I finally got my truck back.

The dealer could not give me the exact cause of the issue. It appears Ford engineers told them to 'shotgun' it and replace everything related in hopes they solve the issue, so I guess time will tell if it's really fixed. Essentially they did the following:

-Replaced knock-sensor
-Replaced Timing Chain
-Replaced Camshaft sprockets
-Replaced Chain Tensioner

Here is the summery of the work completed:

Thankfully everything, including nearly a month of rental, was included under warranty. Still, having tear apart the front end and conduct major repairs on a vehicle under 20k miles is concerning.... I'm in contact with Fords Buy Back team, needless to say this experience has made me very nervous about long term reliability. I'm considering my options moving forward, and whether to keep the truck (and purchase extended warranty) or ditch Ford entirely.

Sorry you have had such a bad experience with your Maverick. One question, when did you do the first oil change and did you do it or have it done at the dealer? My first oil change was at 5500 miles and I had a lot of gold glitter that was very concerning to me. I plan to have a Blackstone analysis on the next oil change. I have not had any problems or abnormalities, as of yet, but still find it concerning. It looked like excessive bearing material to me. Have they confirmed it is a rod bearing failure?

 

[HeyBales]

the reply I'm quoting was off topic, but also factually incorrect.

Regarding the hybrid it was incorrect?
That the 2.5 engine was with Mazda, and the eCVT was with Toyota? (in simple terms since it was already said better in what you quoted)

Sorry, seemed you were correcting them but talking about different engine/transmission - which didn't actually provide any correction to their info then.

So where were they wrong about the hybrid that was the engine/transmission of the topic?

 

[colinl]

Regarding the hybrid it was incorrect?
That the 2.5 engine was with Mazda, and the eCVT was with Toyota? (in simple terms since it was already said better in what you quoted)

Sorry, seemed you were correcting them but talking about different engine/transmission - which didn't actually provide any correction to their info then.

So where were they wrong about the hybrid that was the engine/transmission of the topic?

look, I'm just going to ignore and make both of us enjoy mtc a bit more.

but, again, the person I quoted was incorrect in many ways. they were talking about the ecoboost, which is not what the op has. the second way is that the ecoboost isn't even a Mazda engine design regardless. check Wikipedia if you really care.

the third way they were wrong is that the hybrid doesn't use the aisin 8F family. fourth, it isn't really a Toyota transmission because Ford modified the design and manufactures it in house.

 

[HeyBales]

look, I'm just going to ignore and make both of us enjoy mtc a bit more.

but, again, the person I quoted was incorrect in many ways. they were talking about the ecoboost, which is not what the op has. the second way is that the ecoboost isn't even a Mazda engine design regardless. check Wikipedia if you really care.

the third way they were wrong is that the hybrid doesn't use the aisin 8F family. fourth, it isn't really a Toyota transmission because Ford modified the design and manufactures it in house.

Not exactly an ignore with a "but"..

Hybrid clearly the engine of discussion since 3rd reply in. (right after yours).

On these motors, neither the cam gears or the harmonic balancer are keyed. The are fixed by a one time use bolt and an industrial diamond coated washer. The tensioner is hydraulic. If these parts were installed correctly in the manufacturing process, it is highly improbable that any of them would fail at the 20k point. I have rebuilt several of these motors with no issues. This is a extraordinarily improbable failure mode.

Quoted Papak and seemed to be in agreement by the tone of the reply. No indication he went off the topic of the hybrid being discussed, especially since many are aware his info is regarding the hybrid.

The ICE is actually a Ford / Mazda design that is 20+ years old. It has been a reliable engine since around 1999, and many including me have had this engine on the Ford Escape. Mazda still uses a variant of this engine on the Mazda 3 and other models. The tranny is based on a AISIN / Toyota design. So both the engine and tranny are collaborations with well known and highly thought of companies.

Your reply was actually the 1st that went off topic into non-hybrid land merely to correct something that wasn't wrong. At least you mentioned which engine & tranny. I'm assuming all the others assumed the thread title covered it. Seems if you want to check his info regarding Mazda & Toyota you can actually check Wikipedia since it is mentioned there too.

the ecoboost 2.0L in the maverick is not related to the older Mazda duratec engines, or the new Mazda skyactive engines. it is 100% Ford from the ground-up.

Aisin designed the 8F35 and a 9 speed transmission that it is based on, but Ford manufacturers this transmission in-house so I would not really call it a Toyota transmission.

The Aisin transmission design is used in a lot of brands. If there is a transverse engine with a 8 or 9 speed transmission that isn't actually a CVT, it's probably Aisin. BMW, Toyota, GM, VW almost everyone has it.

Now I'll drop my need to correct someone that felt the need to correct someone that didn't need correcting.

 

[iwantamav]

EDIT: As of June 26th, it seems the problem relates to the recent CSP about the faulty rod bearing. My Maverick is getting the one-time engine replacement. Timing chain replacement noted below appears to have been unnecessary.

Engine swap was completed Aug 5th, will report if further issues arise.

I updated the title to better reflect the threads content.

TDLR timeline:

• May 6th: Problem first occurred. Dropped off at dealer
• May 8th: Vehicle returned after 'software resets'
• May 17th: Issue occurred again. First dealership reset software to make drive-able, but did not offer rentals, so I took it to another dealer. Problem re-occurred again on way to second dealership.
• May 22th: Vehicle returned, after dealership conducted 'diagnoses and software fixes'
• May 23rd: Issue occurred again, and vehicle returned to dealer
• June 5th: Buy back request submitted to Ford
• June 6th: Vehicle returned from dealer. extension work conducted (replacement of knock sensor and all timing chain components)
• June 14th: Problem occurred again. Vehicle dropped back off at dealer. Ford buy back 'still in review', should hear back in next 5 days. Contacted lawyer to review legal options in the event Ford denies buy back.
• June 18th: Dealer called and said they haven't found anything, more updates EoW.
• June 19th: Ford denies buy back request
• June 21st: Ford buy back team denies my escalation, stating they will not reverse their decision.
• June 26th: Dealer is now working to replace the entire 'long block' . Waiting on parts. They were unable to give me a time frame
• July 29th: Crate engine received from Ford and swap begins.
• August 5th: Swap completed and vehicle picked up. Will report if any further issues come up.

I posted a while back about an issue I was having with my Maverick Hybrid losing power randomly. After nearly a month in the shop, I finally got my truck back.

The dealer could not give me the exact cause of the issue. It appears Ford engineers told them to 'shotgun' it and replace everything related in hopes they solve the issue, so I guess time will tell if it's really fixed. Essentially they did the following:

-Replaced knock-sensor
-Replaced Timing Chain
-Replaced Camshaft sprockets
-Replaced Chain Tensioner

Here is the summery of the work completed:

Thankfully everything, including nearly a month of rental, was included under warranty. Still, having tear apart the front end and conduct major repairs on a vehicle under 20k miles is concerning.... I'm in contact with Fords Buy Back team, needless to say this experience has made me very nervous about long term reliability. I'm considering my options moving forward, and whether to keep the truck (and purchase extended warranty) or ditch Ford entirely.

Thank you for posting. My Feb '23 XLT Hybrid w/ less than 15k miles went dead (got in one morning to start the car and no lights or power at all) under 2 months ago. I was able to jump it to drive to the dealer, did not really elaborate on the work they did, but had to order some parts and it was there for 1.5 wks (no rental provided). Was working fine until a few days ago, woke up, got in car and same problem. I have yet to bring it back to the dealer due to my schedule, but at this point, I don't have faith in my truck. If the dealer is going to repeat the same repair, then I think it is safe for me to assume it's going to fail again. Will post an update once I get things sorted out, but does not seem promising.

 

[The Real Maverick]

EDIT: As of June 26th, it seems the problem relates to the recent CSP about the faulty rod bearing. My Maverick is getting the one-time engine replacement. Timing chain replacement noted below appears to have been unnecessary.

Engine swap was completed Aug 5th, will report if further issues arise.

I updated the title to better reflect the threads content.

TDLR timeline:

• May 6th: Problem first occurred. Dropped off at dealer
• May 8th: Vehicle returned after 'software resets'
• May 17th: Issue occurred again. First dealership reset software to make drive-able, but did not offer rentals, so I took it to another dealer. Problem re-occurred again on way to second dealership.
• May 22th: Vehicle returned, after dealership conducted 'diagnoses and software fixes'
• May 23rd: Issue occurred again, and vehicle returned to dealer
• June 5th: Buy back request submitted to Ford
• June 6th: Vehicle returned from dealer. extension work conducted (replacement of knock sensor and all timing chain components)
• June 14th: Problem occurred again. Vehicle dropped back off at dealer. Ford buy back 'still in review', should hear back in next 5 days. Contacted lawyer to review legal options in the event Ford denies buy back.
• June 18th: Dealer called and said they haven't found anything, more updates EoW.
• June 19th: Ford denies buy back request
• June 21st: Ford buy back team denies my escalation, stating they will not reverse their decision.
• June 26th: Dealer is now working to replace the entire 'long block' . Waiting on parts. They were unable to give me a time frame
• July 29th: Crate engine received from Ford and swap begins.
• August 5th: Swap completed and vehicle picked up. Will report if any further issues come up.

I posted a while back about an issue I was having with my Maverick Hybrid losing power randomly. After nearly a month in the shop, I finally got my truck back.

The dealer could not give me the exact cause of the issue. It appears Ford engineers told them to 'shotgun' it and replace everything related in hopes they solve the issue, so I guess time will tell if it's really fixed. Essentially they did the following:

-Replaced knock-sensor
-Replaced Timing Chain
-Replaced Camshaft sprockets
-Replaced Chain Tensioner

Here is the summery of the work completed:

Thankfully everything, including nearly a month of rental, was included under warranty. Still, having tear apart the front end and conduct major repairs on a vehicle under 20k miles is concerning.... I'm in contact with Fords Buy Back team, needless to say this experience has made me very nervous about long term reliability. I'm considering my options moving forward, and whether to keep the truck (and purchase extended warranty) or ditch Ford entirely.

Looking up trouble codes is kind of my hobby.

(NO JUDGING!)

P1061 I can't find anywhere and Iooked through 10,000 codes.

My list is from 2022. P1061 did not exist at that time. So is it new? Or was it a typo?

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