First Sight! $30k Midsize EV Pickup Prototype

[Chops]

That is probably decades away. 2 Chinese auto makers just up'd the old ICe efficiency of gas.

Agree it may take decades before ICE vehicles become as rare as horses were on 1930’s highways. But the transition has already begun. Like I said in a previous post - Toyota has already eliminated the ICE only option on 2 of its most popular models. Many other companies have done the same.

As far as ICE becoming more efficient & clean - most research is being aimed at the EV’s. Interesting that China has not given up. Maybe they’ll bring back bicycles as their main transportation vehicle

Maybe some other technology will overtake the EV? Hydrogen? Steam? Clean Coal”? Secret military tech becoming available to the public. Although sitting in a holographic vehicle might prove difficult

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[Chops]

Globally, of course, the ICE will continue to dominate for a long time

 

[gzebrick]

I'm not going to bother looking up the specifics, but utility generated electricty at large fossil fueled generators generate less polutants than the eqivalant energy used in a typical, small ICE vehicle. Lots of pollution controls at those plants vs individual, sometimes inefficient gas engines.


For most users, EVs' aren't emission-free.. they're just displaced emissions, though the total tons of pollutants remains lower by the large utility plant vs thousands of individual gas vehicles.

Renewable power (solar/wind/geothermal) and nuclear are going to be much cleaner of course, while COAL isn't going to be much better at all.

Adoption of EVs over ICE is a good step toward reducing global warming by reducing overall CO2, even if you take into account all the lifetime pollution from manufacturing to disposal. It's not pollution-free, but there's less; sometimes much less. by going EV.

Unfortunately. overall personal vehicle use is just a one factor in causes of global warming. For example, all those crappy container ships and oil tankers with their unrefined fuel oil spew more sulfur and nitrogen oxides than all personal vehicles combined.

I weep for our grandkids.

 

[Blue_Max]

Globally, of course, the ICE will continue to dominate for a long time

What if I told you they can make an electric moped?

 

[Chops]

What if I told you they can make an electric moped?

Tell that to the tens of millions who are buying the ICE version each year. They would probably still use the petrol version over the battery version for various reasons.

 

[Blue_Max]

Tell that to the tens of millions who are buying the ICE version each year. They would probably still use the petrol version over the battery version for various reasons.

Maybe I will tell them.

 

[Chops]

Interesting update on EV batteries & motors? Not sure how the skunkwork EV’s are being made….

https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=EV+motors+arent+done&ra=m

edit - “Ford’s secretive California-based "Skunkworks" EV team (developing the Universal Electric Vehicle or UEV platform) is primarily designing its upcoming $30,000 electric midsize trucks and crossovers around Lithium-Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries”
Source: google

 

[Prickly Pear]

what"rehydrated mashed potatoes and sirloin in a tube' seem yucky? At "Elons restaurant,you can get anything you want,except Elon"

I was thinking more about the "Hot Dog(es)" ;-)

 

[LSchicago]

Tell that to the tens of millions who are buying the ICE version each year. They would probably still use the petrol version over the battery version for various reasons.

You must mean ten+ million, not tens of millions. We don't buy 20 million vehicles a year in the US. Only 16 million vehicles will be sold this year. Maybe 13-14 million of those pure ICE. 2-3 million in EV, HEV, and PHEV.

 

[LSchicago]

Most people with EV's don't have solar power to charge them and to add back into the system. I would agree that most EV owners are more open to solar energy but most do not have systems in place to power up their cars.

I like the idea but for me (and millions and millions of others) at this point they are impractical. Where I park there is no place to provide charging. Same for millions that live in apartments.

EV's have made great strides in the last decade in both range and time to charge and that's great.

The tax credit has ended (at least for now) which likely played a role in manufacturers rolling back EV plans.

You can charge them with a 120v 15 amp cord. Most people have electric, and those who don't can charge nearby. 10 years ago it might have been a problem, but really isn't anymore.

 

[Pknopp]

You can charge them with a 120v 15 amp cord. Most people have electric, and those who don't can charge nearby. 10 years ago it might have been a problem, but really isn't anymore.

I had a C-Max plug in hybrid. It had a 120 cord. If you only drive short distances it was fine. It isn't any good in fully charging a full EV vehicle.

 

[LSchicago]

I had a C-Max plug in hybrid. It had a 120 cord. If you only drive short distances it was fine. It isn't any good in fully charging a full EV vehicle.

Most people drive less than 30 miles a day on average.

 

[gzebrick]

I had a C-Max plug in hybrid. It had a 120 cord. If you only drive short distances it was fine. It isn't any good in fully charging a full EV vehicle.

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A 120v / 15a outlet + level-1 charger provides ~ 1.5 kW max (maybe a little more, but I'm being conservative)
10 hours of over-night charging = 15 kWh in the battery
Assuming your EV gets 3 miles per kWh (again many get closer to 4+, so conservative again...)

So you'll see up about 45 miles of range added to the battery every night. at about 4.5 miles every hour. If you only drive 30 miles ever day, you'll just be topping off your 200-300-mile battery every night, so you'll have plenty of extra run-around range for the weekend.

If your level 1 is on a dedicated 20 amp circuit you'll be able to charge even higher ~1.8 kW+, and if your EV gets 4 miles/kWh you're going get even more range every night.
220v level-2 charging is about 5x-8x faster (maxes out at ~11 kW at home if you've the service for it), but a simple 120v circuit may work for most.

P.S. Depending on where you live, you'll probably pay between 1/3 and 1/6 the cost of electricity to go those 45 miles than you would for gas in a vehicle that gets about 30 mpg. Varies greatly based on your residential utility rate and how much a gallon of go juice costs in your neighborhood.

 

[Chops]

You must mean ten+ million, not tens of millions. We don't buy 20 million vehicles a year in the US. Only 16 million vehicles will be sold this year. Maybe 13-14 million of those pure ICE. 2-3 million in EV, HEV, and PHEV.

Me & BlueMax were speaking globally. Those little 125cc putt putt ICE vehicles outsell all of US vehicle production.

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