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Could you just add a small check valve or petcock to this to enable you to drain it easily? Im going to buy one of these.
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Could you just add a small check valve or petcock to this to enable you to drain it easily? Im going to buy one of these.
You don't need either one. The production unit has a hose on it for the drain with a cap. Just remove the cap to drain it. I'll post finalized pictures of the entire kit and a video how to install it as soon as cans come back from powder coating, which will be next week.
 

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Being an old part manager of several car/truck dealerships the statement made by Buscher that there was no PCV valve got me curious. There is access to the Ford parts system when we set up our Maverick. I looked up PCV for the 2.0 gas and it did not list a typical PCV valve but it listed a tube, hose, gasket and oil separator, part number 6A785 for $53.67. It appears that there is a built in oil separator in the 2.0 liter engine. The information I can see from our online access is limited and I do not know the part number prefix or suffix, also there is no parts illustration on the page yet, so I could not see where it is located. If anyone has access to the Ford parts system at a dealership could you please get an illustration of the separator system? My guess is that the tube leading to the air intake is a vent from the internally mounted oil separator.
 

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Dave, have you been driving your maverick much since installing the catch can? What kind of accumulation are you seeing so far? What’s “normal” accumulation like in your experience?
 

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Coming from an amateur when it comes to turbos, would it also be possible to eliminate the drain if it were fed directly back into the oil pan? Theoretically, it would be a maintenance free system at that point.
 

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It appears that there is a built in oil separator in the 2.0 liter engine.
I've wondered why Ford doesn't just add these from the start. An inexpensive way to add reliability. Seems like that actually might be the case?
 

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I saw someone say they had issues with the 2.0 eco focus having carbon buildup. Is this something to help prevent that?
 

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Oil separators are done! The way the factory system sucks unfiltered oil/vapors directly from the valve cover and into the intake tract. This is HORRIBLE. I expected a PCV in line, there is nothing. So the key is to simply keep this oil out of the intake and even more importantly the intercooler. This can does that.

The pictured can is in raw aluminum, the production models will all be powder coated in wrinkle black. We will start welding those cans up tomorrow, we should be able to ship product next week, no issue.

We are able to do these for $279!
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Sure. I'll try to explain the system. I'll try to type this out to make it make sense.

The crankshaft is spinning in the engine splashing oil around, same goes for the camshafts. The combustion process causes a lot of cylinder pressure, some of that sneaks past the rings and into the block. The cylinder heads have holes that drain the oil back to the oil pan, those same holes allow that combustion gas that ends up in the crank case to make it into the cylinder head area. So you end up with all these spent combustion gasses and oil inside your engine. The valve cover has a vent on it that, in this case, goes directly to the air intake tube. That tube is always under vacuum sucking those vapors and oil out of the valve cover and into the intake. Those gases and oil is then sucked into the turbo, compressed and travels through the intercooler pipes, intercooler and then back into the intake manifold, cylinder head/valves re-burnt and the processes goes on and on.

Over time, and in many cases not a lot of time, that oil/vapor builds up on the valves/pistons and combustion chamber. It also lowers octane values and the worst part is the oil coats the inside of the intercooler and keeps building up inside of it. We have dumped a solid 1/2 quart of oil out of intercoolers in the past.

The oil separator is put into this system and catches that oil and separates it by a filtering media that is in the can. You occasionally drain it and it keeps the largest majority of the oil in the can, that is the closed system you see here.

A vented can has a filter on the top of it and is not recirculated (I should say should not be). The valve cover vent goes to the can, the crankcase vents directly to the can and catches 100% of the oil and vapors and the intake tract where it use to re-circulate to is eliminated.

The system on the Maverick is good for performance but horrible for contaminating the intake tract. The performance side is good because it directly vents the crankcase pressure but it does so with no way to filter out the contaminates. So what you gain in a drop in crankcase pressure will soon be cancelled by an intercooler full of oil. Even a thin film of oil inside an intercooler drastically drops its efficiency.

Hope this helps.
Is there no internal structure inside the valve cover that aids in vapor separation? Even on the 2000 Miata 1.8 I had, there were baffles around the port and it was not a direct straight through path. I'd have to hope there is some structure there to knock droplets down and prevent splashing and sloshing.

Your can would add a second separation point with some media inside. Did you use a stainless steel scrubber like choreboy or scotch Brite sell?

The hoses look to be about 5/8" ID.
 

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Oil separators are done! The way the factory system sucks unfiltered oil/vapors directly from the valve cover and into the intake tract. This is HORRIBLE. I expected a PCV in line, there is nothing. So the key is to simply keep this oil out of the intake and even more importantly the intercooler. This can does that.

The pictured can is in raw aluminum, the production models will all be powder coated in wrinkle black. We will start welding those cans up tomorrow, we should be able to ship product next week, no issue.

We are able to do these for $279!
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Sure. I'll try to explain the system. I'll try to type this out to make it make sense.

The crankshaft is spinning in the engine splashing oil around, same goes for the camshafts. The combustion process causes a lot of cylinder pressure, some of that sneaks past the rings and into the block. The cylinder heads have holes that drain the oil back to the oil pan, those same holes allow that combustion gas that ends up in the crank case to make it into the cylinder head area. So you end up with all these spent combustion gasses and oil inside your engine. The valve cover has a vent on it that, in this case, goes directly to the air intake tube. That tube is always under vacuum sucking those vapors and oil out of the valve cover and into the intake. Those gases and oil is then sucked into the turbo, compressed and travels through the intercooler pipes, intercooler and then back into the intake manifold, cylinder head/valves re-burnt and the processes goes on and on.

Over time, and in many cases not a lot of time, that oil/vapor builds up on the valves/pistons and combustion chamber. It also lowers octane values and the worst part is the oil coats the inside of the intercooler and keeps building up inside of it. We have dumped a solid 1/2 quart of oil out of intercoolers in the past.

The oil separator is put into this system and catches that oil and separates it by a filtering media that is in the can. You occasionally drain it and it keeps the largest majority of the oil in the can, that is the closed system you see here.

A vented can has a filter on the top of it and is not recirculated (I should say should not be). The valve cover vent goes to the can, the crankcase vents directly to the can and catches 100% of the oil and vapors and the intake tract where it use to re-circulate to is eliminated.

The system on the Maverick is good for performance but horrible for contaminating the intake tract. The performance side is good because it directly vents the crankcase pressure but it does so with no way to filter out the contaminates. So what you gain in a drop in crankcase pressure will soon be cancelled by an intercooler full of oil. Even a thin film of oil inside an intercooler drastically drops its efficiency.

Hope this helps.
So what would adding this do to the factory warranty? Not that it seems you would care as you seem like the type of person who would just fix what needs fixin. But for the less mechanically inclined folks, losing the factory warranty could be a bigger deal. Also asking if this would be needed/recommended in the hybrid option or is that a stupid question?
 
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Is there no internal structure inside the valve cover that aids in vapor separation? Even on the 2000 Miata 1.8 I had, there were baffles around the port and it was not a direct straight through path. I'd have to hope there is some structure there to knock droplets down and prevent splashing and sloshing.

Your can would add a second separation point with some media inside. Did you use a stainless steel scrubber like choreboy or scotch Brite sell?

The hoses look to be about 5/8" ID.
Hoses are 5/8", yes there is a separator/divider inside and it is packed with stainless steel wool. Same way we've been making the EVO/GTR can's for about 10 years, they work excellent.
 
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So what would adding this do to the factory warranty? Not that it seems you would care as you seem like the type of person who would just fix what needs fixin. But for the less mechanically inclined folks, losing the factory warranty could be a bigger deal. Also asking if this would be needed/recommended in the hybrid option or is that a stupid question?
I can't imagine a dealer voiding a warranty for a catch can, that doesn't mean some dick won't do it. I see no reason to run this on a hybrid, save your money.

The #1 benefit for this on a turbo vehicle is it keeps the oil out of the intercooler. A small film of oil inside an intercooler will ruin it's efficiency.
 
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Being an old part manager of several car/truck dealerships the statement made by Buscher that there was no PCV valve got me curious. There is access to the Ford parts system when we set up our Maverick. I looked up PCV for the 2.0 gas and it did not list a typical PCV valve but it listed a tube, hose, gasket and oil separator, part number 6A785 for $53.67. It appears that there is a built in oil separator in the 2.0 liter engine. The information I can see from our online access is limited and I do not know the part number prefix or suffix, also there is no parts illustration on the page yet, so I could not see where it is located. If anyone has access to the Ford parts system at a dealership could you please get an illustration of the separator system? My guess is that the tube leading to the air intake is a vent from the internally mounted oil separator.
There is no separator. There is a hose, that is wide open inside, going from the valve cover to the intake, it sucks pure vapor/oil directly into the intake tract.
 
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Coming from an amateur when it comes to turbos, would it also be possible to eliminate the drain if it were fed directly back into the oil pan? Theoretically, it would be a maintenance free system at that point.
We have done that on the EVO's, it's not ideal and we stopped offering it that way.
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