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[MakinDoForNow]

1 dealer allocations are just as important as your national position in line
2 OMG the demand for hybrid AWD is likely to be off the charts. if and when they are likely to be limited availability.
3 while the hybrid is the MPG king in town it's advantage in rural and highway is noticeably less. ECOs get 30ish in those situations. Then you need to figure up front cost vs MPG savings. the less you drive the longer it takes to balance.

I live 9.5 miles from town of 6600. I consider "in town driving" to be that done less than 55 mph. Can average by computer on 25 mile trips 44-48 mpg due to first 6 miles at around 24 mpg getting to 35-39mpg at about 11-12 miles with maybe one to two hour stop before returning home getting 50+ mpg sometimes.

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[MakinDoForNow]

Why worry about a vehicle that doesn't exist? Even if they do make a 4WD Hybrid, you'll be waiting forever to get one. And I'm sure it'll be over MSRP, no matter where you buy it.

I have an MSRP dealer and if AWD is offered then I will order one! FYI="I have experience in waiting"

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Sorry I see now that I worded that weirdly, but I'm trying to determine the importance of ordering day 1 vs. later in the week. As in, are my odds of getting AWD Hybrid (if it exists) diminished by waiting a few days?

My sales lady is already booked up for the first three days of maverick ordering.

 

[pigsareus]

That fee covers the loss of gas taxes needed for highways.

then why don't they assess the same fee for any car/truck that gets more than 35MPG? There are plenty of econo pure ICE vehicles that get similar mileage - all they'd have to do is to go by the published MPGs and tack on the same amount. I really don't see what the difference is - a vehicle that gets thrifty MPGs . Conversely vehicles that get substantially below the norm should be getting a discount on their registrations since their owners are buying a lot more gas and thereby paying a lot more in taxes than the norm. As long as they are consistent then it's not a big problem, it becomes a problem when they pick and choose where they are going to take on the difference.

 

[Waterick]

then why don't they assess the same fee for any car/truck that gets more than 35MPG? There are plenty of econo pure ICE vehicles that get similar mileage - all they'd have to do is to go by the published MPGs and tack on the same amount. I really don't see what the difference is - a vehicle that gets thrifty MPGs . Conversely vehicles that get substantially below the norm should be getting a discount on their registrations since their owners are buying a lot more gas and thereby paying a lot more in taxes than the norm. As long as they are consistent then it's not a big problem, it becomes a problem when they pick and choose where they are going to take on the difference.

I think the ICE vehicles that get that kind of mileage are smaller/lighter and have less impact on road maintenance. The dichotomy is most hybrid vehicles don't have a lot of impact either. However the states need to get their highway revenue somehow. More MPG's equals fewer taxes dollars.

 

[huunvubu]

This does not include the extra problems and worse reliability that the hybrid has on the maintenance side of things. Axle problems and a more complex system that has been known to be much more unreliable than the ecoboost.

What are you smoking !!!

The exact opposite is true for the Hybrid vs the EcoBoost.

Maintenance:

Brakes last longer on the Hybrid because the physical brakes not used as much because of Regenerative Braking.

Ice engine in a Hybrid also sees less use because of Electric Only mode and is a simpler engine than the Turbo on the EcoBoost which is more problematic.

Oil changes less frequent for Hybrid again because of less ICE engine running

No need to ever replace a Starter, Alternator, Serpentine Belt, Pulleys or AC clutches because the Hybrid has none of those

8 speed transmission on an EcoBoost is more complex than the eCVT in the Hybrid.

Those who have a Hybrid save on maintenance along with saving on gas purchases.

 

[huunvubu]

Nope. 5000 miles / 50mpg = 100 gallons of gas used. Let's say the Eco gets 30mpg, 5000 miles / 30mpg = 167 gallons used. Your difference is only 67 gallons, NOT 500, per year.

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Let's say the Eco gets 30 mpg

What your EcoBoost is only driving on the highway and never drives in a city.

Combined City/Highway MPG for the FWD only Ecoboost is 26 MPG and 25 MPG for the AWD.

So the AWD at 25 MPG will use 200 gallons or twice what the Hybrid uses at 50 MPG.

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

What your EcoBoost is only driving on the highway and never drives in a city.

Combined City/Highway MPG for the FWD only Ecoboost is 26 MPG and 25 MPG for the AWD.

So the AWD at 25 MPG will use 200 gallons or twice what the Hybrid uses at 50 MPG.

Nice way to pick & choose your data.
City mileage rating for the FWD Hybrid is 42 MPG, so not double, and certainly not 500 gallons/year at 5K/year.

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[AzureBlueBill]

No need to ever replace a Starter, Alternator, Serpentine Belt, Pulleys or AC clutches because the Hybrid has none of those

Huh?

 

[Montauk]

That would make TOO much sense. If Ford offers an AWD hybrid variant they will likely lock it into the Lariat trim only.

Good point. Even Toyota does this with their RAV4 prime. Can’t get even a mid level plug in, only the top 2 trims.

 

[Montauk]

Maybe so but it's how I roll. I already have my meals planned out for next week so I should probably have my vehicle order figured out too lol. It's the same day announcement and order banks opening combination that has me feeling pressure. Hopefully some info will leak.

Good point on finding a trustworthy dealership and going from there. I will spend some time researching the threads on that topic.

Long-Macarthur in Kansas. I’ve bought 2 trucks from them in the last 2 years. No BS at all. All up front and honest. Good communication.

 

[pigsareus]

I think the ICE vehicles that get that kind of mileage are smaller/lighter and have less impact on road maintenance. The dichotomy is most hybrid vehicles don't have a lot of impact either. However the states need to get their highway revenue somehow. More MPG's equals fewer taxes dollars.

so now we're introducing weight as a factor? Doesn't matter via what propulsion is being used - if they want to be consistent (and they never do ) they can tack on the fee to those lighter and high MPG vehicles as well. Why not? The data is readily available, all they have to do is to be consistent and get the extra $. They can also start lumping on additional taxes via smart chargers that can recognize what type of vehicle is being charged and apply additional surcharges based on that. What's the big negative to not charging the fees on those ICE rides if they're losing revenue? Here's a group of them : The Most Fuel-Efficient Gas Cars (That Aren't Hybrids) (caranddriver.com)

 

[ShadowBlack XL440]

That fee covers the loss of gas taxes needed for highways.

I did not get a license fee discount for my 2004 Dodge 4x4 that got 10 MPG. I paid a lot more in fuel taxes for a long time on that truck. Seems like it should go both ways but never benefits the working man.

 

[colinl]

I did not get a license fee discount for my 2004 Dodge 4x4 that got 10 MPG. I paid a lot more in fuel taxes for a long time on that truck. Seems like it should go both ways but never benefits the working man.

LOL wait until you figure out that many - nearly all - states use gas and vehicle property taxes for many things that aren't remotely related to road construction and maintenance.

the fee discussed above for hybrids is pretty lazy. hybrids are more fuel efficient, but obviously use some fuel, so the tax on EVs should be much higher and lower/zero on hybrids. probably political and let's please not get into politics here.

 

[Waterick]

Thanks for the feedback. It's difficult to discern the true maintenance issues associated with hybrid vs the opinions of those simply opposed to change. With that being said, I am interested in hearing specific/common issues people have with AWD to factor this into ROI and total cost. Hope your Fusion keeps on rolling!! I had one (non-hybrid) for my previous work vehicle and it performed flawlessly.

We still don't know for sure what method(s) Ford will use to drive the rear wheels. They could use additional electric motor(s) or they could use the PTU/RDU set up like in the EB for example. They could even use something different. The maintenance required and potential problems are really still unknowns. But, it won't be long now and we should know what we're dealing with.

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