Taller (Higher Capacity) Oil Filters, revisited

[PlantMan]

I'm partial to K&N filters that have a welded-on hex nut on top which makes it so easy to remove and tighten.

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[MoHillbilly]

I'm partial to K&N filters that have a welded-on hex nut on top which makes it so easy to remove and tighten.

Check out HiFlo filters. They make K&N's filters and have the same nut tacked on the end (I use them on my bikes), and are several $$ cheaper without the K&N name on them..

 

[bobbyd454]

I think the Baldwin filter is superior to the Motorcraft. Nothing wrong with the Motorcraft filters....I have used them many times.

But Ford simply requires a record of the services performed on your car ...that's all the proof you need. A dealer will do an oil analysis if you have an engine failure... that will generally prove or disprove any question about whether the car received proper care.

And I'm not cheap about maintenence. I use good oil and quality filters and change the oil every 3,000 miles.

I have years of experience in dealerships both in sales and as a wrench. I was ASE certified for seven years in engines, emission systems, heat/ac systems, suspension and engine electronics.

I'm not offended by your comments...
But I have been working on this stuff since the early 60's, I have a well equipped 1500 sq ft shop at home with a lift, chassis fabrication equipment and an engine assembly room where I have been screwing together race and hot rod engines for 30 years.

I have this handled.

Good to know.

 

[srfdude44]

The Fram PH3600 series, which is very common size, fits perfectly. It also crosses to carquest Pemium 85516, which you should be able to find at Advance Auto on sale if you live in the western states. I bought a stack for around $7; that is a really good filter for the price. The fram FL-1 which is another size larger, also fits.

 

[shadowthrone]

I think you already answered your own question. I would also add the ability to just use 6 quarts of oil vs. measuring and storing partial bottles. That's in the case of using the FL-1A sized filters, other sizes will not be the same

It's easy enough to check the settings on bypass valves. How often is your oil filter getting clogged or your oil too thick for the filter to cause problems? You seem very concerned.

No, no I don't - I have never seen a test done to validate any actual advantages of larger filters. I don't see any real advantages, only "theoretical" ones.
I live with a season called "winter" when oil can get thick overnight, and dirty oil gets thicker. a not-to-spec bypass valve can cause moments of oil starvation and add additional wear and tear - seems bad to me, but you don't seem at all concerned.
The "even number of quarts" argument is dumb. I buy my oil in gallon jugs and measure it out. you can measure even easier if you buy quarts. if you got a problem with half a quart of oil sitting in the garage - you got other problems.
I "love" internet "experts"!

 

[A.Bursell]

No, no I don't - I have never seen a test done to validate any actual advantages of larger filters. I don't see any real advantages, only "theoretical" ones.
I live with a season called "winter" when oil can get thick overnight, and dirty oil gets thicker. a not-to-spec bypass valve can cause moments of oil starvation and add additional wear and tear - seems bad to me, but you don't seem at all concerned.
The "even number of quarts" argument is dumb. I buy my oil in gallon jugs and measure it out. you can measure even easier if you buy quarts. if you got a problem with half a quart of oil sitting in the garage - you got other problems.
I "love" internet "experts"!

You said you were "genuinely curious" and asked a question, and got an answer. Guess you weren't really curious, you were already an "expert" before, and just wanted a chance to puff your chest up or something? I'll just go back to helping people and you can do whatever it is you call what you're doing here...

 

[Jalopy Technology]

The bypass valve is only a factor if the filter gets plugged with debris OR the engine suffers a headgasket failure in which the oil and water mixture plugs the filter. Then the bypass valve opens and allows a free flow of "oil" to continue to lubricate the engine...

I saw an Escort come into our shop with a blown 1.9... the owner didn't know that the engine oil needed to be changed on a regular basis.

She got 66,000 miles out of the original.4 quarts of oil before she ran out of oil. We cut open the filter and it was plugged with bearing material and iron and aluminum fragments.

Extreme example.

I would think any bypass valve set to 10-20lbs would suffice. If it opens at 10lbs of restriction it would be better. Most filters will never see that much restriction.

 

[jb_cb900]

Opened up a used fl910s motorcraft filter thIs evening. Appears to be legit when compared to the previous pictures in this thread. This filter was from a 12 pack I Purchased off eBay back in May for $72, free shipping. I can take pics for the doubtful, if necessary. If interested,
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1125443480...iqpn_H1pJvu38r3H82UB_LEC8oI5AD5xoC06YQAvD_BwE

 

[srfdude44]

No, no I don't - I have never seen a test done to validate any actual advantages of larger filters. I don't see any real advantages, only "theoretical" ones.
I live with a season called "winter" when oil can get thick overnight, and dirty oil gets thicker. a not-to-spec bypass valve can cause moments of oil starvation and add additional wear and tear - seems bad to me, but you don't seem at all concerned.
The "even number of quarts" argument is dumb. I buy my oil in gallon jugs and measure it out. you can measure even easier if you buy quarts. if you got a problem with half a quart of oil sitting in the garage - you got other problems.
I "love" internet "experts"!

So of course this would include you?

 

[sva50233]

good to know on the longer filter. removal of the factory filter was a bear with anything but a fluted adapter. will be opting for the wix longer filter next time. could give a ra about warranty

 

[wvpc]

I'm partial to K&N filters that have a welded-on hex nut on top which makes it so easy to remove and tighten.

I bought the K&N oil filter with the nut on the end. The nut broke off as I tried to remove the filter. Worst looking weld holding the nut on that I ever saw. Never bought another.

 

[inline_five]

No, no I don't - I have never seen a test done to validate any actual advantages of larger filters. I don't see any real advantages, only "theoretical" ones.
I live with a season called "winter" when oil can get thick overnight, and dirty oil gets thicker. a not-to-spec bypass valve can cause moments of oil starvation and add additional wear and tear - seems bad to me, but you don't seem at all concerned.
The "even number of quarts" argument is dumb. I buy my oil in gallon jugs and measure it out. you can measure even easier if you buy quarts. if you got a problem with half a quart of oil sitting in the garage - you got other problems.
I "love" internet "experts"!

So I did some digging, turns out there is a fantastic fairly new Youtube channel testing oil filters using some pretty good criteria, Brand Ranks. This compared numerous higher and low end filters along with our beloved Motorcraft FL910S filter.

What I noticed, is that when oil is cold, the bypass valve is going to open at much lower flow rates. These are charts of flow rates vs PSI, keep in mind the top Frams and Purolator have synthetic media which apparently gives them a much better filtering efficiency flow rate vs the cheaper cellulose media of the lower end Frams (and I believe Motorcraft FL910S):

Now for filtration ability (this is striking, the lower end Frams are off the chart):

So, combining filtration ability and efficiency at higher PSI settings, it looks like some winners are:

• Fram Ultra Synthetic XG3614 (bypass valve 12 psi)
• Fram Endurance FE3614 (bypass valve 11-17 psi)
• Purolator Boss PBL10241 (bypass valve 12-15 psi)

Here is a good overall summary, and you can pick which qualities are important to you:

Incidentally, the recommended air filter was the Wix.

 

[Jalopy Technology]

Since a Baldwin B3 filter (and similar filters) fit four of my vehicles (Maverick/F350/Grand Cherokee/Dodge Coronet) I’m about to order a case of 12 so I have what I need in stock

 

[srfdude44]

Warranty ---> Void

NO!

 

[Cherokee]

So, a guy doing 10,000 mile service intervals using any full synthetic takes his used 10k mile filter to a lab, I made that up.
The report comes back that this small oil filter has reduced its flow rate by 10%
The big one by 7% The oil moves at the same rate with a very slightly increase in oil pressure.
Only reason to go to a larger longer filter is it’s easier to grab and spin off.

Most everyone is changing oil at 3k to 5k miles so the bigger filters are totally irrelevant to engine longevity.

I don’t expect anyone to agree with me.
Retired commercial driver. Logged 3.2 million miles in all kinds of vehicles.
528,000 trouble free miles out of a 2.7 Ltr 4 cyl Taco with 10,000 mile service intervals and the small filters in absolute severe duty.
I had several other extremely high mileage engines all with no thought to oil filter size.

The secret is in the Full Synthetic Oils.
Not the filter.
Yeah some of us old cantankerous guys find the younguns amusing. :’P

But I do understand truck love. :XD

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