Ford delays new EV pickup to 2027

[Snox801]

Read slowly what I quoted from your post. Stating your intelligence and, at the same time, making a grammatically wrong statement, is comical at the least.

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[Snox801]

Read slowly what I quoted from your post. Stating your intelligence and, at the same time, making a grammatically wrong statement, is comical at the least.

Counter point. I clearly said educated, not intelligent. Ever heard the term educated idiot. Probably should leave reading comprehension out of this also.
At least I have an excuse. I went to public school.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Ok so give me some success story’s.
The fact of the matter is the vast majority of all innovation comes from the privet sector. Why? Because the money. The old saying did not come around because it’s the exception to the rule. Those who can do those who can’t teach. Same with government jobs.

Your so called experts that you keep referring to seem to screw things up. Much like your understanding of how the government should work. I’m not anti government like you keep trying to paint me. I’m anti federal gov. Because it’s well laid out in how it’s supposed to work.
You clearly are a person who thinks they clearly need some sort of nanny to watch out for them or get other to do what you and them seem fit.
Just pointing out that you have yet to even acknowledge that I’ve pointed out several things that have come about without your so called experts ran by the government. Show me a successful one?
Any one that doesn’t end in government waste, bloat and failure. Heck as we speak they are unable to bring people home from space so the private sector guy is having to send up his stuff to help. Sure glad the government experts figured out how to reuse rockets and do it at a fraction of the cost.
Oh wait I must have made that up because no wrench turner would ever be able to do that without the federal government.

So called experts.. lol! WW2.
He is not private sector almost his entire business is government funded. SpaceX would not EXIST without our tax dollars. Nor Tesla most likely. . Your example of proving me wrong is actually proving me right. Reading comprehension..... I said that most of the experts are in the private sector but do a lot of work, particularly high risk experimental stuff with low odds of profit, with government funding. Like SpaceX. Private companies or investors don't want to invest in long shot experiments or things that are in the public interest that aren't likely to be profitable . That's a role for government. Both private and public have a role Caesar and all that . .... Not everything worth doing for society is profitable. Also I know government employees working for utilities that are excellent welders, mechanics, heavy equipment operators...
Ya I'm sure you and a few of your good old boy "wrench turner" buddies could have built a Viking rocket and got us to the moon. Werner Von Braun has nothing on you...lol. or that so called expert Einstein. again you got to let your ego go and get over yourself.
How "it's supposed to work" . I don't want a nanny but I'm not childish thinking I can eat ice cream for dinner every day .... So the Constitution didn't include the CIA or NSA so no need for that nanny state? World's more complicated than 1800

 

[Gonzo chris]

You’re under the impression that that could have never happened without the federal government. You also seem to not be able to explain how if it’s so much cleaner since your government cleaned it up why is we now for the first time have a shorter life expectancy and much higher rates of cancer in young Americans. Maybe your experts are not quite as good as you think.
And until you decide to hold china and other countries that mine your materials for batteries accountable to the same standards the whole point is moot.
Keep on being totally ok with women and children being worked as slaves to mine your lithium. But the good news is you have much cleaner air.

So get rid of the federal government and have each state be it's own country. The founders didn't want a standing federal military either as they feared centralized power. So we should get rid of the army, navy, air force, Marines and Coast guard .....who said anything about lithium? I said set Standards and let them be met however. You're against a federal government but want to tell other countries how to run their child labor laws? Women can work. Do you support Federal child labor laws? I'm all for international band on child labor. That's a red herring anyway. The way humans extract a resource is independent of the technologies usefulness.
Stares rights make sense for some things but some need national standards. What if every state except Louisiana has environmental laws and they declared "open for business" and allowed companies to dump whatever they wanted into the Mississippi River and the Gulf of Mexico? Or states upstream allowed untreated dumping into the Colorado River or the Mississippi? So no federal highway system FAA, . we all just do our own thing.

 

[Snox801]

So called experts.. lol! WW2.
He is not private sector almost his entire business is government funded. SpaceX would not EXIST without our tax dollars. Nor Tesla most likely. . Your example of proving me wrong is actually proving me right. Reading comprehension..... I said that most of the experts are in the private sector but do a lot of work, particularly high risk experimental stuff with low odds of profit, with government funding. Like SpaceX. Private companies or investors don't want to invest in long shot experiments or things that are in the public interest that aren't likely to be profitable . That's a role for government. Both private and public have a role Caesar and all that . .... Not everything worth doing for society is profitable. Also I know government employees working for utilities that are excellent welders, mechanics, heavy equipment operators...
Ya I'm sure you and a few of your good old boy "wrench turner" buddies could have built a Viking rocket and got us to the moon. Werner Von Braun has nothing on you...lol. or that so called expert Einstein. again you got to let your ego go and get over yourself.
How "it's supposed to work" . I don't want a nanny but I'm not childish thinking I can eat ice cream for dinner every day .... So the Constitution didn't include the CIA or NSA so no need for that nanny state? World's more complicated than 1800

I’m not sure you understand private versus government. Funding is of course from the government. That is totally different than government run. NASA had how many years to develop a rocket that could be reused but didn’t.
Ww2 is not a great point. As stated previously that is one of the few things the federal was tasked with.
Let me ask why should the government fund long shorts? Seems like it’s only a downside for tax payers? By definition far more failures than successes.
Again flight was a long short. The government spend huge sums of money on all the so called experts. Again within a year two brothers who self funded did it.
Not sure how I seem to have an ego. I’m stating my side of how I believe things should be and you have the right to state yours. It’s not your ego that’s doing that. It’s your need to either be ok with people telling you what you can and can’t d that does that.
I’m just not sure how anyone could want to be forced to do anything by anyone. I certainly don’t.
I know you will say we already are and yes I agree but I certainly don’t need to concede more to them.

 

[Snox801]

So get rid of the federal government and have each state be it's own country. The founders didn't want a standing federal military either as they feared centralized power. So we should get rid of the army, navy, air force, Marines and Coast guard .....who said anything about lithium? I said set Standards and let them be met however. You're against a federal government but want to tell other countries how to run their child labor laws? Women can work. Do you support Federal child labor laws? I'm all for international band on child labor. That's a red herring anyway. The way humans extract a resource is independent of the technologies usefulness.
Stares rights make sense for some things but some need national standards. What if every state except Louisiana has environmental laws and they declared "open for business" and allowed companies to dump whatever they wanted into the Mississippi River and the Gulf of Mexico? Or states upstream allowed untreated dumping into the Colorado River or the Mississippi? So no federal highway system FAA, . we all just do our own thing.

Again you are not understanding how our country was set up. The federal government had a role, a limited role. Things like protecting the nation, infrastructure, again part of security, and stoping a plague which maybe they also are. It so good at. Most the stuff could be done by the state at a much better more efficient way taking care of the needs of that state.
I also never said I wanted to have to control other countries either. I was simply pointing out that china uses slave labor from women, children, and men. To mine all the stuff for your ev’s.
Government doesn’t need to intervene. But for as much as you seem to “care” about others health you seem awfully ok with slavery in terrible conditions as long as it means clean air for you.

 

[Snox801]

So get rid of the federal government and have each state be it's own country. The founders didn't want a standing federal military either as they feared centralized power. So we should get rid of the army, navy, air force, Marines and Coast guard .....who said anything about lithium? I said set Standards and let them be met however. You're against a federal government but want to tell other countries how to run their child labor laws? Women can work. Do you support Federal child labor laws? I'm all for international band on child labor. That's a red herring anyway. The way humans extract a resource is independent of the technologies usefulness.
Stares rights make sense for some things but some need national standards. What if every state except Louisiana has environmental laws and they declared "open for business" and allowed companies to dump whatever they wanted into the Mississippi River and the Gulf of Mexico? Or states upstream allowed untreated dumping into the Colorado River or the Mississippi? So no federal highway system FAA, . we all just do our own thing.

I would also like to add so what if a state don’t have environmental laws?
You do realize we live in a globe right?
How would that be any different than what china or India is doing? You think it magically won’t pollute cause it’s not close to you?
My point is not that we all shouldn’t be concerned but I think it’s much to complicated than pretending that it’s ok to shackle just our country with regulations.

 

[Snox801]

So called experts.. lol! WW2.
He is not private sector almost his entire business is government funded. SpaceX would not EXIST without our tax dollars. Nor Tesla most likely. . Your example of proving me wrong is actually proving me right. Reading comprehension..... I said that most of the experts are in the private sector but do a lot of work, particularly high risk experimental stuff with low odds of profit, with government funding. Like SpaceX. Private companies or investors don't want to invest in long shot experiments or things that are in the public interest that aren't likely to be profitable . That's a role for government. Both private and public have a role Caesar and all that . .... Not everything worth doing for society is profitable. Also I know government employees working for utilities that are excellent welders, mechanics, heavy equipment operators...
Ya I'm sure you and a few of your good old boy "wrench turner" buddies could have built a Viking rocket and got us to the moon. Werner Von Braun has nothing on you...lol. or that so called expert Einstein. again you got to let your ego go and get over yourself.
How "it's supposed to work" . I don't want a nanny but I'm not childish thinking I can eat ice cream for dinner every day .... So the Constitution didn't include the CIA or NSA so no need for that nanny state? World's more complicated than 1800

I would also like to add you made the statement that the wrench turners would never figure out how to make the catalytic converter. I only said well maybe. They have indeed figured out new pistons, heads, and injection that made things very clean. I never stated that the experts couldn’t also do that. It’s not binary. You are implying that to be the case.
I think that people in general are amazing at solving problems in front of them. I just think many time it comes form people we may think dumb or uneducated.
I for one would not want to trade my freedoms for a little bit of security.
Im sure something along those lines was said by someone much smarter than me. But apparently some are ok with the cia and other such programs.

 

[Gonzo chris]

I’m not sure you understand private versus government. Funding is of course from the government. That is totally different than government run. NASA had how many years to develop a rocket that could be reused but didn’t.
Ww2 is not a great point. As stated previously that is one of the few things the federal was tasked with.
Let me ask why should the government fund long shorts? Seems like it’s only a downside for tax payers? By definition far more failures than successes.
Again flight was a long short. The government spend huge sums of money on all the so called experts. Again within a year two brothers who self funded did it.
Not sure how I seem to have an ego. I’m stating my side of how I believe things should be and you have the right to state yours. It’s not your ego that’s doing that. It’s your need to either be ok with people telling you what you can and can’t d that does that.
I’m just not sure how anyone could want to be forced to do anything by anyone. I certainly don’t.
I know you will say we already are and yes I agree but I certainly don’t need to concede more to them.

Start your own country. You pay taxes? You drive whatever speed you want? Nobody likes being told what to do but at some point most grow up and realize that's civilization. The federal highway system wasn't profitable for the government that paid for it but it benefited its citizens, cures for rare diseases aren't profitable because they're ....rare .... So for profit companies have no incentive to research them. Again the market is great for some things not all. The government is not supposed to be profitable, one of their major roles is to do things that aren't profitable ( but need doing) so private companies won't do them.
A company isn't, IMO, a private success story if all their money comes from the government. Their entire survival is dependent on tax dollars.
I get it it feels better to spout the viewpoint of " I'm independent, don't need the protection of the Nanny state" etc . While enjoying it. People fixate on 200 years ago, . If we did it that way there would be no cia, nsa, military, and if a foreign adversary or terrorist organization want to attack that would be that. During the Cold war the Soviets .would have had nukes and we would had nothing. It was Jefferson who said that but they were worried about King George and a few muskets not an ICBM that can wipe out entire cities at the push of a button. They also weren't worried about emissions because they didn't exist. But yeah I get it some people want the freedom to pollute other people. Jefferson said free to do what you want as long as you don't hurt others. So if someone wants to drink motor oil that's fine with me , if they want to dump it in the river I'm not.

 

[Snox801]

Start your own country. You pay taxes? You drive whatever speed you want? Nobody likes being told what to do but at some point most grow up and realize that's civilization. The federal highway system wasn't profitable for the government that paid for it but it benefited its citizens, cures for rare diseases aren't profitable because they're ....rare .... So for profit companies have no incentive to research them. Again the market is great for some things not all. The government is not supposed to be profitable, one of their major roles is to do things that aren't profitable ( but need doing) so private companies won't do them.
A company isn't, IMO, a private success story if all their money comes from the government. Their entire survival is dependent on tax dollars.
I get it it feels better to spout the viewpoint of " I'm independent, don't need the protection of the Nanny state" etc . While enjoying it. People fixate on 200 years ago, . If we did it that way there would be no cia, nsa, military, and if a foreign adversary or terrorist organization want to attack that would be that. During the Cold war the Soviets .would have had nukes and we would had nothing. It was Jefferson who said that but they were worried about King George and a few muskets not an ICBM that can wipe out entire cities at the push of a button. They also weren't worried about emissions because they didn't exist. But yeah I get it some people want the freedom to pollute other people. Jefferson said free to do what you want as long as you don't hurt others. So if someone wants to drink motor oil that's fine with me , if they want to dump it in the river I'm not.

We indeed would have a military. Even the revolutionary war was our military with militias. Hence general Washington. That one one of the few things the founding father tasked the government with. It’s debatable whether we need the other agencies. Again it’s about how much you are willing to give up in terms of freedom. You are much more comfortable than me which is fine just different views.
I’m not sure that being 200 years ago makes as much difference as some think. Most things still hold true. Like free speech is still important. Much like all the amendments to the constitution. Still important today. Plus we do have a way to just for the times. They were smart enough to plan. The fact that we have been flexible say it all. Prohibition came and went with what they thought was good for the times.

 

[redskins5]

So if electric cars are so great then why didn't they continue making them over a hundred years ago when the first electric vehicle came out. The first electric car was made in 1890. They quickly went to the wayside.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

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[hdave]

As far as EV trucks go, the F150 Lightning is a very well done truck. It also came out very quickly and beat the competition to the market. I just think that Ford was too aggressive with production and overestimated demand.

A small commuter car as an EV? Makes sense to me.
A full size pickup? Not so much.

 

[The Cyber Orange Guy.]

So if electric cars are so great then why didn't they continue making them over a hundred years ago when the first electric vehicle came out. The first electric car was made in 1890. They quickly went to the wayside.

Normally I don't get into this, but if you want an answer to that, look for discovery channel of why the electric public transportation was over. Plain and simple Gas and car companies did everything on their power to destroy it.

Those big petrol companies got into politics and created big lobby groups in favor of the gas, and obstructiting spending on any R&D for electric cars and public transportation. Just think how more efficient cars are now over a 100 years later and still inefficient VS electric ones. Now think if we invested the same 100+ years on perfecting electric cars. How more advanced and efficient those would be ?

I don't own and electric car yet, yes rode a few but don't own one yep, but all the persons that i know are pretty happy with their EV'S, even one of my friends the guy owned several cars on the past: bmw's, benz, porshe's, jaguar,lexus, etc he still have a Bentley continental GT at the garage but if you ask what's his favorite he tell you the tesla, I'm not a tesla fan but what can I say ? The guy owned and knows his cars more than I do.

Electric cars are more efficient, faster, quite, easier and cheaper for maintaining, more comfortable, etc. and if you own a home you can charge at home eliminating another reason to go out, if you have solar panels is even better.

Cons: tyres are more spensive and according to what i read they wear faster, no bueno for long travels, insurance is more spensive, in case of fire is more dangerous. Feel free to fill few more, I bet there is plenty more.


I know is different, and we grew under the macho muscle loud mentality, but t electric cars destroy any ANY super car in a 1/4 or 1/2 mile race, destroy the gas car records on plenty of tracks, yes gas cars like Bugatti still owns the top speed record (Now they're under rimac tutela) and yes they last longer on races like Lemans. But besides lasting longer and the fast refueling gas cars are like cord phones, they were great +good and pretty convenient for their time, but I rather have a cellphone now days.

Note: I don't pretend to know all, I more than welcome your imputs, we could agree or disagree but please let's do it respectfully.

 

[Scupking]

As far as EV trucks go, the F150 Lightning is a very well done truck. It also came out very quickly and beat the competition to the market. I just think that Ford was too aggressive with production and overestimated demand.

A small commuter car as an EV? Makes sense to me.
A full size pickup? Not so much.

I agree. Full size pickups as EVs makes no sense but cars and compact SUVs make sense.

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