23N06 Customer Satisfaction Program (Hybrid Maverick) - engine long block replacement coverage for 10/100k miles (for DTC P1061 and/or P032F)

[colinl]

Ford's own numbers in the NHTSA filing estimated a rate of occurrence of 0.17 per 1000 vehicles.

Your inversing would be for Ford to have 124,902 engines fail.

that percentage wasn't in the OP and since I don't have a hybrid, I didn't go looking for it. to me that rate is disingenuous because it extrapolates to only twenty-one vehicles in this condition.

I can't rationalize how that could be true on a campaign of this scale, although when I search MTC for these DTC codes, I get nothing except this thread. some 2.5 engines have failed, even beyond ones that had the oil cap removed and driven up a steep mountain road, but it's a little surprising that no one has posted about this code in the past (almost) 3 years of Mavericks on the road.

Is this the root cause of the engine failures that generated Maverick hybrid TSBs to drill holes in the engine bellypans and now produce them with drain holes pre-cut? If so, again, why has no one posted with these codes? This is very strange.

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[Firedog]

Remember that it's only a 0.017% chance of having such a faulty engine.

I grant you the percentage is small but that doesn't matter at all to me if causes someone to be harmed. I love my truck but I love my family more

 

[Darnon]

I can't rationalize how that could be true on a campaign of this scale, although when I search MTC for these DTC codes, I get nothing except this thread. some 2.5 engines have failed, even beyond ones that had the oil cap removed and driven up a steep mountain road, but it's a little surprising that no one has posted about this code in the past (almost) 3 years of Mavericks on the road.

The detection routine to trigger these DTCs pre-emptory to engine failure was added as part of the 23S27 recall campaign update which was deployed this spring.

 

[HeyBales]

As many complaints as I see about the software programmers involved in the Ford vehicles, since so many recalls are just software related, does that concern anyone that this is a software solution to catch it early?

I'm sure the engineers have many known bad engines, and are thinking about what current available sensors do we have that could give a clue this is about to happen? What combination of readings is required to know and stop it before?

Then they tell the programmers what's needed.
Are they able to run some engines on the way to blowing to confirm the sensor algorithms were done right and really see and prevent it?
Did the programmers/engineers account for side cases for other reasons to reach values not related? (I guess so since dealership must confirm reason for DTC)

Who decided the level of voltage in rear taillight circuits was good or bad to disable the circuit?

 

[DonJuanMegatron]

What engine are they putting into the vehicles? Seems silly to replace it with the same thing.

 

[Zed79]

What engine are they putting into the vehicles? Seems silly to replace it with the same thing.

Why they are replacing the complete long block because some bad cranks got used in the production line in the past.

 

[OB1e]

Sweet, now my maverick matches my wife's Santa Fe.

 

[Darnon]

Why they are replacing the complete long block because some bad cranks got used in the production line in the past.

Faster/cheaper than tearing the whole thing apart to change crank, main bearings, connecting rods, etc., and ensures there isn't damage elsewhere due to the bearings being at the state of failure (as the DTCs triggering would indicate).

 

[Darnon]

Sweet, now my maverick matches my wife's Santa Fe.

Or Toyota-grade quality.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

that percentage wasn't in the OP and since I don't have a hybrid, I didn't go looking for it. to me that rate is disingenuous because it extrapolates to only twenty-one vehicles in this condition.

I can't rationalize how that could be true on a campaign of this scale, although when I search MTC for these DTC codes, I get nothing except this thread. some 2.5 engines have failed, even beyond ones that had the oil cap removed and driven up a steep mountain road, but it's a little surprising that no one has posted about this code in the past (almost) 3 years of Mavericks on the road.

Is this the root cause of the engine failures that generated Maverick hybrid TSBs to drill holes in the engine bellypans and now produce them with drain holes pre-cut? If so, again, why has no one posted with these codes? This is very strange.

Looks to me like those codes were recently invented and software was updated to install them. NOW they can be posted.

 

[AlsMaverick]

What engine are they putting into the vehicles? Seems silly to replace it with the same thing.

Why?

 

[Maverick2023]

If your maverick affected wouldn’t they send out a letter to you specifically? With the affected VIN attached?

 

[jeffrol48197]

OWNER NOTIFICATION MAILING SCHEDULE Owner letters are expected to be mailed letters the week of July 8, 2024. Dealers should diagnose and if directed, repair any affected vehicles that experience DTCs P1061 and/or P032F, whether or not the customer has received a letter.

Sorry, they always mail out letters for programs, usually within a few weeks of annoucement...

 

[FloodingdowninTX]

If your maverick affected wouldn’t they send out a letter to you specifically? With the affected VIN attached?

Yes, I got the alert on Fordpass. That is if you mean affected as in the pool of vehicles outlined in general. You would already know because the software update to warn of impending engine failure went out to us already. Now if it happens to a needle in the haystack, that falls under 10/100K warranty for the engine/cranks & rods replacement.

 

[Automate]

I grant you the percentage is small but that doesn't matter at all to me if causes someone to be harmed. I love my truck but I love my family more

If you are not aware, no auto manufacturer guarantees 100% reliability or that the vehicle won't unexpectedly lose power. It does not need to be as severe as a bad bearing. With today's modern engines, failure of a single $15 sensor can cause the ECU to shut down the engine.

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