Buschur's 2.0 EcoBoost air intake dyno'd and ready. +26 whp and +17 ft lbs of torque

[neosolidus]

You missed the point....... the fan was there to HELP the stock air box work, it was providing air flow to the front of the truck with the hood closed, so the stock box had a benefit over the intake we built and tested. Let me do the testing, I've been doing it for 32 years, this isn't my first or last rodeo.

Thanks for the effort that you are putting into designing stuff for the truck and remember that it is a bad idea to feed the trolls.

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[710-oil-614]

What are you really mad about? That a businessman is trying to sell his products? That they aren’t made from forged carbon? Or maybe that you didn’t think of it?
If it was Cobb would you say the same thing? Ams? Underground performance? I really don’t understand the flak people are giving for a tuner tuning and showing the world.
I look forward to what everyone else comes up with, and the proof to back their claims up.

Not mad at all.

I just find it a little disingenuous for a few reasons.

1. The way he talks about Ford and trashes them like they didn't knowingly restrict the engines ability to generate gobs of power isn't necessary. EBs from the 1.5 through the 2.7 have a mostly great reputation as engines. Instead of trashing Ford engineering - why not be happy they put out a good engine/base to build off of.

2. The EB2.0 has been around in a host of Ford vehicles in some form or fashion since 2011. There is absolutely nothing groundbreaking about these findings nor is it first to market with products of information. Yes the Maverick has a different engine bay but the engine is largely the same since 2017.

3. Pretty much known with the 2.0EB and 2.3EB you can do a CAI, catback, and tune and you'll net anywhere from 60-90hp depending on how aggressive you are.


But to your point, a businessman is free to advertise and sell their products on here.

 

[Darksider]

Can't wait for some independent test. Hard to grasp that ford would leave that much on the table with a simple air filter change.

From all the intake swaps I have seen dynoed not one provided any gains by itself. And most actually hurt. But this could be a game changer..

 

[ColoradoShooter]

9:1 AFR at sea level is really rich. I hope the ECU leans it out a bit for those of us at altitude. Ford engineers are playing it extremely safe on the stock tune and lots of power left on the table. This is actually good news for those of us interested in an aftermarket tune.

 

[neosolidus]

Not mad at all.

I just find it a little disingenuous for a few reasons.

1. The way he talks about Ford and trashes them like they didn't knowingly restrict the engines ability to generate gobs of power isn't necessary. EBs from the 1.5 through the 2.7 have a mostly great reputation as engines. Instead of trashing Ford engineering - why not be happy they put out a good engine/base to build off of.

2. The EB2.0 has been around in a host of Ford vehicles in some form or fashion since 2011. There is absolutely nothing groundbreaking about these findings nor is it first to market with products of information. Yes the Maverick has a different engine bay but the engine is largely the same since 2017.

3. Pretty much known with the 2.0EB and 2.3EB you can do a CAI, catback, and tune and you'll net anywhere from 60-90hp depending on how aggressive you are.


But to your point, a businessman is free to advertise and sell their products on here.

While what you are saying might be true and it is considered a "known" fact by brand loyalist, it was completely unknown to me as someone who has never owned a Ford and I bet there are a few others as well.

So an eager vendor who is willing to interact with us directly and educate us as he develop his products for the platform that we are interested in is a welcomed thing.

Last but not least, we don't have to praise ford for that they did right, we are paying them to get it right ,that is all the praise they should need.

 

[ColoradoShooter]

Not mad at all.

I just find it a little disingenuous for a few reasons.

1. The way he talks about Ford and trashes them like they didn't knowingly restrict the engines ability to generate gobs of power isn't necessary. EBs from the 1.5 through the 2.7 have a mostly great reputation as engines. Instead of trashing Ford engineering - why not be happy they put out a good engine/base to build off of.

2. The EB2.0 has been around in a host of Ford vehicles in some form or fashion since 2011. There is absolutely nothing groundbreaking about these findings nor is it first to market with products of information. Yes the Maverick has a different engine bay but the engine is largely the same since 2017.

3. Pretty much known with the 2.0EB and 2.3EB you can do a CAI, catback, and tune and you'll net anywhere from 60-90hp depending on how aggressive you are.


But to your point, a businessman is free to advertise and sell their products on here.

You’re buying a Hybrid. This thread is for Ecoboost owners, so why are you commenting? He wasn’t trashing Ford as you imply and seems as if you’re acting out because you’re pissed at Ford for not delivering on the Hybrids. Here’s your Safe Space: https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/hybrid-order-support-group.1156/

 

[maverick4natic]

I'm gonna address the heat shielding statement.

It's a complete waste of time. We've done so many tests with and without a "heat shield". The only way to get actual fresh colder air to a filter is to remove it from the engine bay. There is no simple solution for that on the Maverick.

If the filter is located in the engine bay it is going to be the temperature of the engine bay. It would be like sitting in your house where it's 90 degrees and putting a tin wall around yourself thinking you are going to be cooler, it isn't going to happen.

Ducting cold air to the filter or removing is completely from the bay (like our DSM/GTR or Forward Facing kits for the EVO) is the only way to actually get the inlet air temps lower.

I intentionally dyno'd this with the hood down with the stock box and then with this kit so the filter was ingesting the air it would on the road.

The glory of intercoolers!

 

[710-oil-614]

Can't wait for some independent test. Hard to grasp that ford would leave that much on the table with a simple air filter change.

From all the intake swaps I have seen dynoed not one provided any gains by itself. And most actually hurt. But this could be a game changer..

Gains are usually had it just moves it higher up the power band so less power is available on the low end - that is for N/A engines. Getting as much air to the turbo as quickly as possible with help that turbo generate larger gains lower in the power band than if it was a N/A engine.

 

[710-oil-614]

You’re buying a Hybrid. This thread is for Ecoboost owners, so why are you commenting? He wasn’t trashing Ford as you imply and seems as if you’re acting out because you’re pissed at Ford for not delivering on the Hybrids. Here’s your Safe Space: https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/hybrid-order-support-group.1156/

Telling someone to leave a message board, punching down on them, and then telling them to go find a safe space is hilarious.

You're a funny guy. I'd like to share a beer.

 

[Buschur]

any reflash needed? or bolt on and go?

Bolt on and go.

 

[LongshotXL]

Bolt on and go.

How do I order? I tried your website but no luck.

 

[Brian_J]

Not mad at all.

I just find it a little disingenuous for a few reasons.

1. The way he talks about Ford and trashes them like they didn't knowingly restrict the engines ability to generate gobs of power isn't necessary. EBs from the 1.5 through the 2.7 have a mostly great reputation as engines. Instead of trashing Ford engineering - why not be happy they put out a good engine/base to build off of.

2. The EB2.0 has been around in a host of Ford vehicles in some form or fashion since 2011. There is absolutely nothing groundbreaking about these findings nor is it first to market with products of information. Yes the Maverick has a different engine bay but the engine is largely the same since 2017.

3. Pretty much known with the 2.0EB and 2.3EB you can do a CAI, catback, and tune and you'll net anywhere from 60-90hp depending on how aggressive you are.


But to your point, a businessman is free to advertise and sell their products on here.

I haven’t seen him trash their products. Their exhaust design? Maybe.

i think the biggest issue is the gains are huge on this intake. These are also 4th gear gains. 1:1 gear ratio isn’t till 6th gear. If you could lock the trans into 6th and test it, would the gains be more inline with what you see in other 2.0l eb motors? I dunno. Or maybe his truck is some fluke monster hp boost machine. In fact, I’ll be happy to bring my truck to Buschur and let him perform the same tests on a different vehicle and verify the results (I should take delivery on Nov 20th).
I’d also be curious in testing a better intake tube w a stock filter and housing, or maybe a focus rs filter (anyone know the opening size on those?). Let’s get more hard data where the gains are made.

 

[Buschur]

How do I order? I tried your website but no luck.

Easiest way for now is just give us a call, 567-424-0471. 9-5 EST.

 

[Buschur]

I haven’t seen him trash their products. Their exhaust design? Maybe.

i think the biggest issue is the gains are huge on this intake. These are also 4th gear gains. 1:1 gear ratio isn’t till 6th gear. If you could lock the trans into 6th and test it, would the gains be more inline with what you see in other 2.0l eb motors? I dunno. Or maybe his truck is some fluke monster hp boost machine. In fact, I’ll be happy to bring my truck to Buschur and let him perform the same tests on a different vehicle and verify the results (I should take delivery on Nov 20th).
I’d also be curious in testing a better intake tube w a stock filter and housing, or maybe a focus rs filter (anyone know the opening size on those?). Let’s get more hard data where the gains are made.

The gains on the intake are small at peak numbers, the gains where the truck was previously going 9.x:1 AFR's is big, changing the intake got the AFR's at those points into the higher 10's, still rich but better than 9.x:1.

I'll dyno your truck free if you buy the intake and stand here to witness it all.

 

[Buschur]

Rather than continue to try to explain......

Here are a few shots of common air intakes for the EVO8-9-X. Some of these are our products some are others in that industry, but all are basically the same. As you will see not a heat shield in sight. You'll also note on the EVO the turbo/manifold is relatively close to where the intake ends up. Every car pictured here EASY makes over 400 whp and with these same type filters WITH NO TIN SHIELD can make 1,000+ whp.

I've been building these cars since 1989. We've tried it all, shields, boxes, blah blah blah. As I've stated, the only way to get colder air to the filter is to remove it from the engine bay or get enough ducting to it that a sealed box will work. You'll also find that because of air movement while actually driving the engine bay is cool, it's when you stop and sit that the under hood temps increase dramatically.

Buy a dyno, buy some datalogging gear, spend more than half your life developing parts and setting world records and then come back with the comments.

Have a good day.

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