Dealer wants to totally replace the transmission

[CBennett]

At that burn rate - you're getting a new vehicle on average every 15 months. You don't need to worry about longevity.

Normally every 3-5 years.(thats me and wifes cars BTW not only me) I try to switch out so what I have is under warranty. as a for instance car gets close to being out of warranty it normally gets traded in unless it couldnt be afforded.

A for instance my wife had a 2009 Borrego.. when I traded my 2013 Charger AWD in so she could get the 2015 Pilot I inherited the Borrego. I drove that till May of 2020 was actually q great vehicle to be honest I traded it in in May 2020 so 10-11 years and 67,000 miles on it.. I had the 2020 Forester for about 3 months it was Aug when one of the sales people(sales manager) asked did I ever have any issues with it, I said I bought it from your Kia dealer and any time id get anything like a check engine light I took it to them you already have all the service records. He said I will pull that up..last time i got a check engine light at about 60K they cleared it said it was dirt in the oil screen triggering it. they changed it..this was about 5 months before I traded it..

To wrap it up I find out they needed to replace the entire engine in October.... imaging if id Kept it......thats why I like under warranty stuff .

The year on the warranty for us run out well before the miles/ my 2020 Forester has 38K on it wives 21 Atlas has 20K.

list of cars we have had

1976 Porsche 914-6
1989 Pontiac Sunbird
1985 Chevy Blazer 4x4
1991 Taurus SHO (with full performance package from SHOShop)
1995 Toyota Tacoma
1990something mercury Mystique(worst POS we ever owned tranny replaced at 7K miles full coil pack sparkplugs at 11K)
1990 something Mercury Topaz
1990 something Honda Passport(the early one really a Isuzu Rodeo i think)
1990 something Honda Civic
1990 something T Bird with the 5.0
Mazda Tribute
Nissan Frontiers 1999 2007
2000 something Hyundai Sonata
1999 Subaru Forester
2000 something Ford Freestyle
2013 Charger R/T AWD
2009 Borrego
2020 Forester
2021Atlas
1990 something Ford Ranger 2WD(this convinced me id never own a non AWD/4x4 truck ever again)
2014 Buick Verano(got this from fathers estate when he passed)

and like 6-8 different muscle cars(1970 RoadRunner,1969 RoadRunner,1973 Dodge Dart Sport 340,1970 Charger 500, 1965 Barracuda, 1970 Coronet R/T 440, 1966 Chevy shortbed with vette 327 in it,
also have my name on the title of my kids 2022 Charger GT AWD(he gets it in his name when he pays it off since we cosigned lol.

whats happend now though is im retired(4 years ago) dont drive nearly as much and we have also paid off the house and are currently NOW at ZERO car payments. So now we have decided to do only 1 car payment and thats it.. So now after I (or her) get something it has to last at least 8 years and 75-100K miles as if I got a 23 Maverick pay it off in 3-4 years.. then the wife gets a new one..so id have mine for at least 8 years.

Youre correct longevity didnt used to matter(as id trade as the warranty ran out)... since about 2020 it matters.

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[AutobahnSHO]

Warranties are over-rated- the cost of replacing an entire engine or transmission (non-dealer) is usually only about 4-6 monthly payments. I'm 49 and Mav is my first car under warranty, drove a lot of beaters I paid cash for and they lasted just fine for the money paid.

In fact averaging the cost of purchase and maintenance I've come out to about $160/month for a lot of $2k cars (I've put new motors in a few older ones, which was cheaper than repairing the high mileage motor).

 

[40caliber]

Warranties are over-rated- the cost of replacing an entire engine or transmission (non-dealer) is usually only about 4-6 monthly payments. I'm 49 and Mav is my first car under warranty, drove a lot of beaters I paid cash for and they lasted just fine for the money paid.

In fact averaging the cost of purchase and maintenance I've come out to about $160/month for a lot of $2k cars (I've put new motors in a few older ones, which was cheaper than repairing the high mileage motor).

4 to 6 payments?

 

[WNYEscapee]

Crazy world we live in. They (all manufactures) will continue to make vehicles as cheaply as they can. Best car I ever owned was a Pinto! Say what you want about them, they were great. I wanted to paint mine like a shotgun shell, thought it would have been funny. Ford knew the Pinto had a design issue that could cause a fire. For something like 8 bucks it could have been resolved, according to what I have read. They decided to risk it and save the 8 bucks. Thats is a lot of money in a mass manufacturing concern. Unfortunately for Ford and a few others who were burned or died from their burns, Ford's gamble didn't pay off. Well kinda! They sold a shit load of them, which is why the odds went against Ford. Over all they still made money. All these little issues with cars that could be fixed but manufacturing chooses to not. Overall if you like the vehicle you choose you tend to ignore the little shitty things that go wrong, and that is what Ford and others are hoping for. After all they want to keep selling them to you! Like I said it's a crazy world. I still am going to buy a Maverick, eventually. I like my Ranger but I don't like the gas prices, they're not going to go down much. How do you like yours?

I don't mind my Maverick, especially since I get 23 mpg in mostly stop and go traffic commuting to work. I've gone as high as 34 mpg on a couple short trips too. My biggest gripe is people riding my butt and stopping right on top of me at lights. I've been rear-ended once previously and have had spinal surgery, and have more back issues which surgery won't correct, so I'm perhaps more than a little paranoid -- but since people have returned to the roadways after the lockdown, they're more than a little disrespectful and rude -- if not more inept, as drivers.
I miss two of the Rangers I've had. The first being a '99 regular cab 2WD XLT w/ 3.0L flex fuel w/ 5-speed. The other my '03 Supercab 4WD XLT w/ 4.0L. The first was a blast, ran beautifully, and got awesome highway mileage. The '03 was a rocket w/ a chip in despite larger tires, though it liked fuel.

 

[smith2515]

Consider yourself lucky. Most vehicles still need tranny fluid change every 30,000 miles to avoid tranny issues. Just ask any competent mechanic.

VW Jetta TDI has entered the chat. 250k miles with no shifting issues. Build date for my hybrid is May 20th!!

 

[colinl]

4 to 6 payments?

He's at least 50% low, probably more like 80%.

However I do agree that extended warranties are a bad value and I never buy them at any price.

 

[Mr Mavjestyk]

Worked at a Toyota dealership for a few years. What a surprise! I thought they were in competition with Ford for recalls and TSBs.
The frame issue is very real too, we replaced them on almost anything that had a frame, Tacomas, Tundras, and whatever their SUV was too -- Oh, yeah, the Seqouia. Some had holes large enough for me to easily fit a foot through, and I take a size 11 shoe.
On a positive note, those customers who needed a new frame also often received new body mounts, hardware, fuel/brake lines, and other items which either broke or had deteriorated to the point of uselessness.

And yes, some will boast about them and this mythical "Toyota quality," but some of the things they have issues with, like AWD SUVs and the Sienna needing driveshafts, rear diff. coupling units, and rear diffs; out of the several Ford dealerships I've worked at, we never stocked those items like we did at the Toyota Dealer. In fact, at Toyota there were several instances we sold a couple of these items in a day.
I think I sold more of these items in a month at a Toyota dealership than I have in over four years at Ford dealerships. And the cost of the air pumps for a Tundra, at the time they were over a grand a piece, and most customer's needed both replaced at the same time. The cost of a lift cylinder for a RAV4 with the motorized tailgate, that was a grand per side.
Sure, there are vehicles they made/make which are reliable, but for the ones that have some issues, they can cost an arm and a leg to repair.
Additionally, these days, they're all trying to keep up with the competition for tech and the EPA mandates that reliable technology is being replaced by more complicated garbage. I don't think anyone is exempt now from excessive recalls on new products and despite all this so-called testing they do, they all seem to have early production year problems.

You can add Subaru to the mythical quality superiority list. Wife's 50k mile Forester already needed front suspension components replaced. I never experienced this issue at such a low mileage with any other vehicle in 45 years.

 

[Mr Mavjestyk]

Normally every 3-5 years.(thats me and wifes cars BTW not only me) I try to switch out so what I have is under warranty. as a for instance car gets close to being out of warranty it normally gets traded in unless it couldnt be afforded.

A for instance my wife had a 2009 Borrego.. when I traded my 2013 Charger AWD in so she could get the 2015 Pilot I inherited the Borrego. I drove that till May of 2020 was actually q great vehicle to be honest I traded it in in May 2020 so 10-11 years and 67,000 miles on it.. I had the 2020 Forester for about 3 months it was Aug when one of the sales people(sales manager) asked did I ever have any issues with it, I said I bought it from your Kia dealer and any time id get anything like a check engine light I took it to them you already have all the service records. He said I will pull that up..last time i got a check engine light at about 60K they cleared it said it was dirt in the oil screen triggering it. they changed it..this was about 5 months before I traded it..

To wrap it up I find out they needed to replace the entire engine in October.... imaging if id Kept it......thats why I like under warranty stuff .

The year on the warranty for us run out well before the miles/ my 2020 Forester has 38K on it wives 21 Atlas has 20K.

list of cars we have had

1976 Porsche 914-6
1989 Pontiac Sunbird
1985 Chevy Blazer 4x4
1991 Taurus SHO (with full performance package from SHOShop)
1995 Toyota Tacoma
1990something mercury Mystique(worst POS we ever owned tranny replaced at 7K miles full coil pack sparkplugs at 11K)
1990 something Mercury Topaz
1990 something Honda Passport(the early one really a Isuzu Rodeo i think)
1990 something Honda Civic
1990 something T Bird with the 5.0
Mazda Tribute
Nissan Frontiers 1999 2007
2000 something Hyundai Sonata
1999 Subaru Forester
2000 something Ford Freestyle
2013 Charger R/T AWD
2009 Borrego
2020 Forester
2021Atlas
1990 something Ford Ranger 2WD(this convinced me id never own a non AWD/4x4 truck ever again)
2014 Buick Verano(got this from fathers estate when he passed)

and like 6-8 different muscle cars(1970 RoadRunner,1969 RoadRunner,1973 Dodge Dart Sport 340,1970 Charger 500, 1965 Barracuda, 1970 Coronet R/T 440, 1966 Chevy shortbed with vette 327 in it,
also have my name on the title of my kids 2022 Charger GT AWD(he gets it in his name when he pays it off since we cosigned lol.

whats happend now though is im retired(4 years ago) dont drive nearly as much and we have also paid off the house and are currently NOW at ZERO car payments. So now we have decided to do only 1 car payment and thats it.. So now after I (or her) get something it has to last at least 8 years and 75-100K miles as if I got a 23 Maverick pay it off in 3-4 years.. then the wife gets a new one..so id have mine for at least 8 years.

Youre correct longevity didnt used to matter(as id trade as the warranty ran out)... since about 2020 it matters.

As I've posted in this thread, Subaru quality is overrated. Wife's Forester feels like you're driving in a tin can too.

 

[CBennett]

As I've posted in this thread, Subaru quality is overrated. Wife's Forester feels like you're driving in a tin can too.

Mine is fine.. dont know what id say I wanted more maybe the push button start and blind spot and a bed lol.. mine rides fine hasnt needed any thing but oil changes.

 

[CurtisB]

In some cases? You mean those cases that neglect services and now have more metal particles coursing through their valve bodies to keep the viscosity as it was before... Which could have been avoided had regular intervals been kept?

I'm amazed at the crazy amounts of misinformation in this thread. Nobody is experiencing transmission issues on this forum because of fluid changes. Nobody. Not one single person. Any and every report of transmission issues has been because of a manufacturing defect and early failure. But it's astonishing how some folks will come in here saying they have never changed fluid so that's the solution to avoid potential issues - when it's not a solution at all. It's neglect and pure luck.

Change fluids often as preventative maitenence. Don't, and you'll never get the option to avoid potential issues and when they do happen, RIP your transmission and your wallet. Fluid changes are cheap insurance and the science behind wear, heat, and viscosity is simple... So simple it translates to engine oil changes frequently but when it comes to other fluids... Apparently not. Nothing will change a manufacturing defect. But dismissing fluid change intervals because a company prints a legal minimum to cover their asses through a very short warranty is some next level complacency.

Ignorance is bliss.

30-60k for tranny fluid. All transmissions. The higher numbers being if the majority is highway mileage. 100k is to the point of no return, with or without an easily changeable filter (which the Mavericks don't have).

I did my 2015 Prius tanny when I hit 65k. Cheap insurance and it helped me get more for it when I sold it!!

 

[WNYEscapee]

You can add Subaru to the mythical quality superiority list. Wife's 50k mile Forester already needed front suspension components replaced. I never experienced this issue at such a low mileage with any other vehicle in 45 years.

They have a big issue with their CVTs also. The Forester as I was told from a coworker who had worked at a Subie dealer were pretty good, but the Outback and one or tow others had issues with them.
When I worked at a Nissan dealership, we did quite a few of them -- as most people know, CVTs with some manufacturers have problems; but the truckers who would pick up our returns cores often spoke of the number of cores they were picking up from Subie dealership. It made Nissan's issue look like nothing.

 

[chaznw]

Took my Maverick to the dealer for a quick transmission service and now they want to replace the whole thing at an estimated cost of $9,000 and no idea how long it will take (they said the transmission is on back-order)

2022 XLT AWD EcoBoost with the 4k tow package just over 85,000 mi.
Was driving home from a business trip (little over 700mi highway driving one-way) and in the last hour or so started to notice some delayed shifting & hard shifting.
When I got home I ran the codes and one of my transmission solenoids was stuck-on
Hoping it was just my fluids needing topped-off/replaced, I took it to my regular repair shop, but they don't touch transmissions.
So then I took it to a quick lube place and they refused to touch it because they didn't have the right fluids.
So then I took it to the ford dealer in town, and at first they refused to change the fluids because ford, in their infinite wisdom, claims that their transmission fluid lasts 150k mi. and being only half that, they don't need to change it.
Then I told them the whole story, and they told me they again refuse to change the fluids - "it's their policy" that they need to do a full diagnostic ($150+tax) before anything else.
Called them today for an update and they won't tell me exactly what's wrong, just that "there's a lot of codes" and that they need to replace the whole thing.
They don't want to even attempt repair, and claim it'll cost more than the replacement.

Called-around to some transmission-specific shops nearby and none of them will work on it because they claim that the 22 maverick has no information whatsoever in whatever system they use; they all claimed that they could only find info on the 23, and that even that info wasn't enough to do work on the truck.

In my research I've seen lots of people having transmission issues with these things.
Has anyone had similar issues & found any resolution other than ponying-up half the KBB for a new trans?

I have a similarly equipped XL. A while back I posted a concern I had about the transmission getting "stuck" in lower gears going downhill. I believe we are going to see more of these transmission issues due to that problem. You can't expect a drive train to take that kind of stress very long without problems. I called the dealer and Ford and they basically said "no errors codes, no problem"

 

[FamousAmos]

Took my Maverick to the dealer for a quick transmission service and now they want to replace the whole thing at an estimated cost of $9,000 and no idea how long it will take (they said the transmission is on back-order)

2022 XLT AWD EcoBoost with the 4k tow package just over 85,000 mi.
Was driving home from a business trip (little over 700mi highway driving one-way) and in the last hour or so started to notice some delayed shifting & hard shifting.
When I got home I ran the codes and one of my transmission solenoids was stuck-on
Hoping it was just my fluids needing topped-off/replaced, I took it to my regular repair shop, but they don't touch transmissions.
So then I took it to a quick lube place and they refused to touch it because they didn't have the right fluids.
So then I took it to the ford dealer in town, and at first they refused to change the fluids because ford, in their infinite wisdom, claims that their transmission fluid lasts 150k mi. and being only half that, they don't need to change it.
Then I told them the whole story, and they told me they again refuse to change the fluids - "it's their policy" that they need to do a full diagnostic ($150+tax) before anything else.
Called them today for an update and they won't tell me exactly what's wrong, just that "there's a lot of codes" and that they need to replace the whole thing.
They don't want to even attempt repair, and claim it'll cost more than the replacement.

Called-around to some transmission-specific shops nearby and none of them will work on it because they claim that the 22 maverick has no information whatsoever in whatever system they use; they all claimed that they could only find info on the 23, and that even that info wasn't enough to do work on the truck.

In my research I've seen lots of people having transmission issues with these things.
Has anyone had similar issues & found any resolution other than ponying-up half the KBB for a new trans?

thotpatrol, it sounds like you are getting some good responses on this forum. From another perspective, but relevant, conventional wisdom was always "never buy a first-year model vehicle because they haven't gotten the bugs out yet." Made perfect sense, and your experience adds another wrinkle to this wisdom: LACK OF REPAIR/MAINTENANCE KNOWLEDGE ON THE NEW MODEL. I was comfortable in buying my 2022 XL Hybrid because Ford already had experience with both the engine/motor and transmission. Knock wood. Is your transmission unique to Ford?

 

[colinl]

Is your transmission unique to Ford?

No, the 8F family has been widely used since model year 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_8F_transmission

 

[First Truck]

Took my Maverick to the dealer for a quick transmission service and now they want to replace the whole thing at an estimated cost of $9,000 and no idea how long it will take (they said the transmission is on back-order)

2022 XLT AWD EcoBoost with the 4k tow package just over 85,000 mi.
Was driving home from a business trip (little over 700mi highway driving one-way) and in the last hour or so started to notice some delayed shifting & hard shifting.
When I got home I ran the codes and one of my transmission solenoids was stuck-on
Hoping it was just my fluids needing topped-off/replaced, I took it to my regular repair shop, but they don't touch transmissions.
So then I took it to a quick lube place and they refused to touch it because they didn't have the right fluids.
So then I took it to the ford dealer in town, and at first they refused to change the fluids because ford, in their infinite wisdom, claims that their transmission fluid lasts 150k mi. and being only half that, they don't need to change it.
Then I told them the whole story, and they told me they again refuse to change the fluids - "it's their policy" that they need to do a full diagnostic ($150+tax) before anything else.
Called them today for an update and they won't tell me exactly what's wrong, just that "there's a lot of codes" and that they need to replace the whole thing.
They don't want to even attempt repair, and claim it'll cost more than the replacement.

Called-around to some transmission-specific shops nearby and none of them will work on it because they claim that the 22 maverick has no information whatsoever in whatever system they use; they all claimed that they could only find info on the 23, and that even that info wasn't enough to do work on the truck.

In my research I've seen lots of people having transmission issues with these things.
Has anyone had similar issues & found any resolution other than ponying-up half the KBB for a new trans?

Well, i'm starting to wonder about the Mavericks as well. I have a 2022 lariat with 10,700 miles and a bad transmission. Dealer has had it for 2 weeks, still waiting. Don't know if I want to trust this little truck now or not ??

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