Dealer wants to totally replace the transmission

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I would call more independent transmission shops to see if anyone has experience servicing the 8F35 transmission. It's a fairly new design but has been used in the Escape and Transit for a few years now. Hopefully it can be brought back into service with a valve body service/repair. Most ford dealers aren't equipped to service these so will opt for replacement rather than repair. Oh and forget that 150k fluid change interval. Every 30k for mine just to reduce a chance of failure due to contaminants fouling the valve body solenoids and passages.

I agree on the 150K crap! I have a 19 Ranger, at the time I had the fluid flushed it had 55ish K miles on it. I don't usually agree with a flush, it's normally not recommended, however it was the Ford dealer that does all my maintenance and repair plus it's still under warranty. So I thought if they screw it up its in the books and was done by Ford. Tranny was acting weird, hadn't had any issues up to that point in time. The flush made a huge difference and it was back to normal. I have 125K Warranty on it too. Plan on getting a Hybrid Mav. eventually. I should have had that done at 30K not 55! Fluid change is necessary on all auto trannies.

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I believe it but the transmission fluid for my Volvo was I believe good for 150,000 miles or the life of the vehicle. Could be wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s what the manual said.

My opinion, one, you were lucky and 2 its a risk when you consider the cost to replace or rebuild. Not worth it, again my opinion..

 

[SFB]

This is why I am happy to have my PremiumCare warranty and will be doing routine transmission oil changes.

Sorry to hear this OP - keep searching for a better mechanic who can assist.

Couldn't agree more, with the cost of repairs and labor rates that unfortunately makes extended warranties look good! I would rather pay for the warranty and have nothing happen than to be stuck with needing a new tranny or engine..

 

[SFB]

I wonder if this would be covered by an extended warranty.

Depends on what level of warranty you purchase, but even the most basic would cover the cost of a tranny

 

[Dmthomp32]

My opinion, one, you were lucky and 2 its a risk when you consider the cost to replace or rebuild. Not worth it, again my opinion..

I hear you but Im also not convinced that the maverick issues will be completely avoided by changing the oil with a 30,000 mile frequency. Some designs are better tested and reflect better durability. My model of Volvo was nearly unchanged for over 10 years, probably for good reason.

 

[SFB]

Glad I have the e-cvt, I'll just say that. A bulletproof design vs. a Chevy 8 speed transmission with engineering flaws. I feel bad for the people impacted by this, but I did predict we'd see this shift. Most of the hybrid issues werr mild things with the 12V battery or wiring harness, small, easy and cheap to address things.

I predicted Ford would resolve a lot of those issues, which they did on second half of '22 and later build mavericks for the most part, and we'd see the paradigm switch, with the hybrid issues quieting down, and Ecoboost issues picking up with the turbos and 8 speed. We're basically seeing exactly that.

Despite all the shit Ecoboost owners have given us, I could use this opportunity to say I told you so. Instead, I'm just gonna say, sorry you're having to go through this.

This is why when I replace my ranger in a couple years Im getting the hybrid MAINLY because the eCVT is a simple design. Same as what Toyota is using because both Toyota and Ford were using Eisn gearboxes way back in the early 2000's when hybrids were showing up. Basically 2 planetary gear sets and no reverse gear.

 

[SFB]

I hear you but Im also not convinced that the maverick issues will be completely avoided by changing the oil with a 30,000 mile frequency. Some designs are better tested and reflect better durability. My model of Volvo was nearly unchanged for over 10 years, probably for good reason.

When it comes to manufacturing mass amounts of anything you can never completely avoid issues. Nothing is perfect no matter who builds it. I worked 36 years in aviation manufacturing and you can hove two identical units, one will go forever and its brother will be a POS! Tolerances, every piece has a manufacturing tolerance.

 

[SFB]

LOL. Might be. Thing is, the Taco has grown larger over the years (as have nearly all pickups). The Maverick takes us back to a true "compact" form factor, which is what I would like. It looks good great. And Ford has delivered a lot of truly elegant engineering touches, that mesh with a visual aesthetic that I find very appealing. I've become quite smitten by it.

That's even before you consider the value proposition. IMO it hits way above its weight.

But none of that matters if it's not reliable. The recalls might be excused in a first-year model. But we're a couple years in, now. Ford should have enough data to have addressed such things as basic powertrain durability.

We shall see. I'm not entirely off the fence yet. But the IRA distribution that I executed a couple days ago, in case I decided to pull the trigger this week, is sitting there in the checking account, on hold.

Don't want to wait for the Stout? I was thinking on that or Maverick. I have always bought Ford's, they have been good to me, BUT I don't usually keep my vehicles beyond 125K.

 

[SFB]

Totally different vehicle but my old saturn acted up at around 115k even following the high use (towing) factory interval. I only towed once or twice. Was told by a transmission shop that my solenoids were clogged up and needed a rebuild.

I decided it it was worth a try to go with clean fluids first, so I did a 3x drain and fill over about 10k. Issues cleared up with each one. Fluid also came out with less and less sediment. That car is now at 185k and gets drain/fill every 30k. Lesson learned. All my cars now get this treatment. Fluid is cheap and the job is easy on many cars. There is a lot of disinformation out there about "sealed transmissions" and "lifetime fluid". Transmissions are like the G spot of cars. Lots of talk and mystery, but some simple rules will do you good!

At this point, I say it's time to learn to change the fluid yourself and see what the results are before going any further with any of the shops that aren't helping or want to go nuclear option. Worse case your out the cost of transmission fluid and still need a new tranny.

Well there's an interesting comparison....G spot!

 

[WNYEscapee]

Nice work, TJ!

Thank you! Just trying to help out one of us ordinary folks to assure they don't get bilked by the dealership. Some go far above and beyond what is reasonable to make extra profit off of the customer. I guess the owner and upper management must need additional summer homes, have exotic cars due for major services, or just want to line their pockets in case things really go south with their businesses.
God knows most aren't sharing it with their employees. ......did I say that? Yes, I did!

 

[Montana]

I'll see you guys at the shop soon to get a new wiring harness or something any day now.

No. You won't.

You constantly talk about EB owners shitting on your precious hybrid, but I reality you are the one coming in banging that drum and being the aggressor. You got the response here that you always get and you still don't understand why? Do you need it in crayon form? You are a hypocrite. Stop playing victim.

 

[40caliber]

So let me get this straight. Whenever there's an isolated issues with someone's hybrid, it's ok for an Ecoboost owner to come in and be like "Hybrids are terrible" and just be a general dick like so many ill mannered people on this site tend to be.

But for me, someone who anyone knows will generally try to be polite, to say, oh, I'm sorry you're having to go through this. I'm glad I have a different transmission, I could pull the uno reverse and bash every Ecoboost ever made, like a lot of Ecoboost owners do everytime there's a hybrid post. Instead I'll show some empathy and say sorry you're going through this, that's going too far, got it.

 

[WNYEscapee]

Re:Taco I agree with you wholeheartedly but people who bang the Yota drum (like Scotty Kilmer) cannot be convinced otherwise.

There are only a few safety concerns (IMO) larger than your vehicle legit snapping in half from the frame disintegrating....

Worked at a Toyota dealership for a few years. What a surprise! I thought they were in competition with Ford for recalls and TSBs.
The frame issue is very real too, we replaced them on almost anything that had a frame, Tacomas, Tundras, and whatever their SUV was too -- Oh, yeah, the Seqouia. Some had holes large enough for me to easily fit a foot through, and I take a size 11 shoe.
On a positive note, those customers who needed a new frame also often received new body mounts, hardware, fuel/brake lines, and other items which either broke or had deteriorated to the point of uselessness.

And yes, some will boast about them and this mythical "Toyota quality," but some of the things they have issues with, like AWD SUVs and the Sienna needing driveshafts, rear diff. coupling units, and rear diffs; out of the several Ford dealerships I've worked at, we never stocked those items like we did at the Toyota Dealer. In fact, at Toyota there were several instances we sold a couple of these items in a day.
I think I sold more of these items in a month at a Toyota dealership than I have in over four years at Ford dealerships. And the cost of the air pumps for a Tundra, at the time they were over a grand a piece, and most customer's needed both replaced at the same time. The cost of a lift cylinder for a RAV4 with the motorized tailgate, that was a grand per side.
Sure, there are vehicles they made/make which are reliable, but for the ones that have some issues, they can cost an arm and a leg to repair.
Additionally, these days, they're all trying to keep up with the competition for tech and the EPA mandates that reliable technology is being replaced by more complicated garbage. I don't think anyone is exempt now from excessive recalls on new products and despite all this so-called testing they do, they all seem to have early production year problems.

 

[shark978]

I agree on the 150K crap! I have a 19 Ranger, at the time I had the fluid flushed it had 55ish K miles on it. I don't usually agree with a flush, it's normally not recommended, however it was the Ford dealer that does all my maintenance and repair plus it's still under warranty. So I thought if they screw it up its in the books and was done by Ford. Tranny was acting weird, hadn't had any issues up to that point in time. The flush made a huge difference and it was back to normal. I have 125K Warranty on it too. Plan on getting a Hybrid Mav. eventually. I should have had that done at 30K not 55! Fluid change is necessary on all auto trannies.

definitely not at all. my 08 gmc canyon performs great with 162k miles and no flushes/changes at all. the manual only recommends 1 at 100k miles and thats it. since i missed that one at 100k i just let it go.

in fact fluid changes are said to damage high mileage transmissions in some cases. i suspect it's one reason for so many transmission problems among mavericks on this board.

 

[SFB]

Worked at a Toyota dealership for a few years. What a surprise! I thought they were in competition with Ford for recalls and TSBs.
The frame issue is very real too, we replaced them on almost anything that had a frame, Tacomas, Tundras, and whatever their SUV was too -- Oh, yeah, the Seqouia. Some had holes large enough for me to easily fit a foot through, and I take a size 11 shoe.
On a positive note, those customers who needed a new frame also often received new body mounts, hardware, fuel/brake lines, and other items which either broke or had deteriorated to the point of uselessness.

And yes, some will boast about them and this mythical "Toyota quality," but some of the things they have issues with, like AWD SUVs and the Sienna needing driveshafts, rear diff. coupling units, and rear diffs; out of the several Ford dealerships I've worked at, we never stocked those items like we did at the Toyota Dealer. In fact, at Toyota there were several instances we sold a couple of these items in a day.
I think I sold more of these items in a month at a Toyota dealership than I have in over four years at Ford dealerships. And the cost of the air pumps for a Tundra, at the time they were over a grand a piece, and most customer's needed both replaced at the same time. The cost of a lift cylinder for a RAV4 with the motorized tailgate, that was a grand per side.
Sure, there are vehicles they made/make which are reliable, but for the ones that have some issues, they can cost an arm and a leg to repair.
Additionally, these days, they're all trying to keep up with the competition for tech and the EPA mandates that reliable technology is being replaced by more complicated garbage. I don't think anyone is exempt now from excessive recalls on new products and despite all this so-called testing they do, they all seem to have early production year problems.

I've been driving since 1974, when are people going to realize we are the test bed.

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