Maverick EV reportedly on hold until early next decade [⚠️ LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[BlueOval1954]

I soured a bit on EV's when I heard that people could not get then going in the real cold weather. One poor guy came came back from a trip, couldn't get it going at the airport and had to call a flatbed to carry it to a charging station. I guess that falls into the con category.

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[CurtisB]

Several months back, Toyota stated that full electric vehicles were still further out in the future. They said for every 1 electrical car, they could build 20 hybrids for the same cost and keep the cost of consumers owning them down. Toyota was laughed at. Who's laughing now?

 

[Deleted member 30736]

That's about the time required to further improve the current designs and build out the infrastructure to support them.

 

[CurtisB]

Want to have electric cars that will sell?
1. Range of 600 miles or more.
2. Same utility across the board as ICE vehicles.
3. Charge time the same as filling up an ICE.
4. Cost comparable to ICE for the consumer.

Do that, and you will get people to buy full electric cars.

 

[710-oil-614]

Want to have electric cars that will sell?
1. Range of 600 miles or more.
2. Same utility across the board as ICE vehicles.
3. Charge time the same as filling up an ICE.
4. Cost comparable to ICE for the consumer.

Do that, and you will get people to buy full electric cars.

Why #1 when probably less than 5% of ICE/HEV achieve a range of 600 miles or more? Seems like you'd be holding it a higher standard with #3 in place.

 

[SloopJB]

I’ll make my case again for a PHEV Maverick. My RAV4 Prime is getting over 100 mpg (only reads to 100) because it will travel 46 to 48 miles on one charge with a 18.1 KWHr battery (it tells me that I am getting 3.0 to 3.1 miles per KWHr)

I want a Maverick to come with PHEV capability. To me, that is the practical approach. The electric infrastructure is going to have to be substantially enlarged before we should be “forced” to electric cars.

The systems that generate electricity that are built into the car are great and use energy that normally would go off into our environment into motive power.

Nuff said

 

[PNWMaverick]

Word salad "Trust me bro" article based off a single "source" in the industry that makes horrible statements about the future of technology. Quality!

Anyone that is trying to predict the EV market 6+ years out is, very clearly, not following the technology industry - at all. If they did follow it they would know that doing so would be absolutely foolish.

Examples as to why?

NACS, the North American Charging Standard. One of the major holdbacks on building out charging infrastructure was the fragmentation in the charging 'standards' on the market. This is going away, rapidly. The major manufacturers have adopted Tesla's NACS as the charging standard. By standardizing they will lower the costs of the associated technology, both at the station and what is put on the vehicle. A lower cost and known standards of building will allow the buildout of stations quicker. Can you imagine what it would be like if gas stations all had different standards on fuel rates and sizes of nozzles, requiring you to carry an adapter?

Anecdotally, I live in a VERY rural area and they just completed a 50 stall Tesla Supercharger station 2 miles away from me.

Battery technology, and I do not mean a new battery. Even within the current Lithium Ion technology we still have many improvements to go. An example of that is here with Berkeley. As of right now our Lithium Ion batteries are pretty crude, with the inventor John Goodenough working on improvements up until his death at 100 years old. Over the course of the next 6 years we will see further improvements to batteries, just as we have the previous years.

Now we can talk about the cost of battery technology. It is plummeting! Absolutely cratered over the last 10 years. It has slowed but the trend down will continue.

There are multiple competitors coming to market with affordable EVs over the next few years. BYD is massive and moving into the NA market and will bring sub $30,000 EVs. Another potential competitor is VinFast. They got off to a horrible start but appear to be making the right corrections and may actually survive.

 

[commadorebob]

I haven't read it, but I am not surprised. Despite the generous EV incentives provided by the government, the average consumer simply doesn't want one. In fact, I was reading an article about the DC Auto Show and there were a ton of EVs there with only one getting any attention: Tesla.

People don't want EVs; they want Tesla.

That said, I still think the XR-PHEV will be the way the industry would find success. Benefit of EV with the range of gas for when range is needed.

 

[PNWMaverick]

I haven't read it, but I am not surprised. Despite the generous EV incentives provided by the government, the average consumer simply doesn't want one. In fact, I was reading an article about the DC Auto Show and there were a ton of EVs there with only one getting any attention: Tesla.

People don't want EVs; they want Tesla.

That said, I still think the XR-PHEV will be the way the industry would find success. Benefit of EV with the range of gas for when range is needed.

They want a Tesla because that is what has been marketed to them and what has been available for the last 10 years.

To many people outside of the auto industry and enthusiast market a Tesla is a BEV. Just like how every facial tissue is called Kleenex. All hook and loop material is called Velcro. Or Chapstick. I have had people ask about my Maverick, wondering if it was the "Gas or Tesla version."

Drop two near identical cars in front of people, branding removed, but one is $15,000 cheaper. Guess which one the person is going to want?

Tesla=Kleenex.

 

[Montana]

lol something something only EV's by 2030 something something rabble rabble

yea ok.

 

[BradnChristine]

 

[bbhaag]

Everyone is having trouble moving EV's right now. Demand fell off a cliff. It would be nice to see the tech advance to the point where cost and convenience are the same as for ICE vehicles but it just isn't there yet. Even Hertz is getting out of the EV rental game citing higher maintenance costs.

The reason they sold off their EVs was because of the costs associated with repairing body damage due to their rideshare agreement with Uber not because of mechanical maintenance costs.

 

[bbhaag]

Also FWIW I don't trust an article that won't sight its source and has one sentence about a vehicle that wasn't even confirmed to be in the R&D phase by the manufacturer of said vehicle.

 

[commadorebob]

They want a Tesla because that is what has been marketed to them and what has been available for the last 10 years.

To many people outside of the auto industry and enthusiast market a Tesla is a BEV. Just like how every facial tissue is called Kleenex. All hook and loop material is called Velcro. Or Chapstick. I have had people ask about my Maverick, wondering if it was the "Gas or Tesla version."

Drop two near identical cars in front of people, branding removed, but one is $15,000 cheaper. Guess which one the person is going to want?

Tesla=Kleenex.

Yep. Same reason people buy iPad despite tablets being available from every company. That mindshare is huge. But at the end of the day the numbers are showing those that want an EV are generally gravitating to Tesla. Ford had that initial wave of EV enthusiasts buy their EVs but I think that customer base saturated very quickly. A lot of people are simply not yet interested in an electric vehicle.

Again, I think the XR-PHEV is how you get them there. Give them the benefits of EV while providing that ICE security blanket.

 

[40caliber]

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