Pretty sure I am waiting for nothing

[TheSEARCH]

Clearly Ford's ordering system leaves a lot to be desired. But the situation is worsened exponentially for all concerned by the rampant speculation that is happening around the Maverick. Numerous people (hundreds? thousands?) have ordered multiple Mavs with the sole intention of flipping them as soon as they get them. Whatever. This is America where cash is king and civility and decency go to die. One day the music will stop and some of those same folks are going to learn a hard lesson about economics. Again, whatever.

My point is: Ford is not the solely responsible for the ordering SNAFU.

Think about this: if only the people who truly wanted/needed a new Maverick had placed an order when the '23 order banks opened, would Ford have had to shut down the ordering system in less than a week? I'm guessing the answer is no. The hysteria fed on itself and the result was unsurprising.

It's disappointing, but not at all surprising.

Flipping a vehicle seems like a fair amount of work to me. So I doubt its as rampant as you seem to think. this is ALL on FORD.

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[Greg_in_GA]

....Ordered from one of the biggest dealers near me in Charlotte NC. Then went to another large Charlotte area dealer and placed duplicate orders with them. That puts me on the books with 4 orders.

I suspect that part of the problem is that the Southeast has not gotten many Mavericks. I am in Atlanta and I have only see three Mavericks on the road.

Maybe the rail connections to the Southeast are the problem.

I have a Maverick that is on the way to me and it went from Mexico up to Chicago, then back down to East St. Louis, then to a railyard in Atlanta. That sounds like an odd route to me.

That was about a week ago the last I heard they did not have an ETA on when it will make the last 20 miles to get to my dealership. It sounds like they have problems getting the final car delivery truck scheduled.

I had placed an a pre-order back in July of 2022 when order banks were scheduled to open in August. I set up the order for a bare bones XL Hybrid with the only option being CP 360.

By the time the order banks finally opened in September after the delay more was known like only 15% of the Mavericks would be XLs and about 33% Hybrids. Given that a lot of XLs would be for fleet sales it was pretty clear that an XL Hybrid would be a bit a unicorn that I would be unlikely to get.

I ended up entering a second order at a different dealership for an XLT, Lux, Ecoboost, with CP 360. We are retired and will not be putting on a lot of miles so that lower MPG of the Ecoboost was not a big problem for us.

The XLT was scheduled and should arrive any day now.

Much to my surprise the XL hybrids was also scheduled to be built the last week of June. As soon as the XLT is actually in our driveway I will cancel the XL order and get my deposit back.

In my state there is a sales tax and all the Ford dealers charge a doc fee of at least $500 so even if I wanted to (I don't) there would not much money to be made by trying to flip either of the Mavericks. I would suspect that in any state with a sales tax or high car registration fees that flipping Mavericks is not as common as you might think.

 

[Greg_in_GA]

One thing that has not been mentioned is that I assumed that any planned flipping that is being done may be done by people that work at a dealership or have some other connection with a dealership like being a relative of the owner. That could help them actually get a Maverick to flip.

Some of the unplanned flipping was likely people who bought a Maverick then later on realized that they could sell it to a company like Carvana for a profit.

When a Maverick is for sale because someone declined to buy it that someone could be Joe who works in the parts department or who is the brother of the owner.

I have nothing to back that up but I just assumed that was how it would work at some less reputable dealerships.

 

[Dmthomp32]

OP which dealer in Charlotte did you go through? Let me guess Crossroads Ford? Just curious as I’m in Charlotte and ordered from these guys. Ive never received a single communication. I asked again this week and they about laughed at me. I bought a Maverick locally (used) from a private seller and I’m happy. I figure in six years when my order gets built, I’ll pass the current Maverick on to my son for his first vehicle. Should time out just fine!

 

[Old Man]

Ford is just asking for this behavior with their silly allocation system. None of us know where we should stand in line. Large dealer, small dealer, both? Two dealers? Ten dealers? Every dealer you pass by that doesn't demand a deposit?

In this day and time, @Ford Motor Company should be able to take orders AS THEY COME IN and then build according to constraints. Hell, they could even tell a dealer they have 10 Mavericks coming and then stop taking any new orders from that dealer when they've sold 10. That would let buyers see that there was an empty shelf, so to speak, and go find another dealer to order from. This taking 250 orders and only receiving 10 of them has got to be as frustrating to OPs dealer(s) as it is to those who order them.

After 491 days, I got my Hybrid Lariat and love it...but if they come out with a flat-towable Hybrid AWD (HEV or PHEV), I will have to figure out where and how to order it.

At some point in time, if they continue this, they will be gearing up for 200,000 orders and find that there were really only 50,000 true orders because they trained all of us to order 4 and hope for 1 or 2. It should NOT be this hard.

Jim Farley will be calling you soon to hire you to straighten out the car manufacturers systems that all the experts have failed to do.
What Ford needs to do is require a $5,000 non-refundable deposit on every order to stop selfish people from this crap. Why does Ford require new orders at the start of the new MY - to get rid of all the ghost orders that bloated the system.

 

[Ponchsox]

Just found out from my dealer that they have 15 allocations for May and about 75 unscheduled Mavericks. They moved me up priority 11 last week after I asked. Trying to determine my chances.

 

[BradnChristine]

Just found out from my dealer that they have 15 allocations for May and about 75 unscheduled Mavericks. They moved me up priority 11 last week after I asked. Trying to determine my chances.

Your chances would be Zero if the other 74 orders are all priority 10... But 100% if they are all at Priority 19 AND you have no constrained items on your build.
Seriously, try to get your dealer to tell you how many other orders are at Priority 10 or 11. That will give you a better picture of where you are in line.

 

[UberGadgetFreak]

Welcome to the Charlotte Metro.

As for the number of orders, worst case it benefits the dealer. Anything you don't buy, they can sell at a higher price if you walk away from the vehicle if and when it does arrive.


As for myself, I see Mavericks now and then in the Whitewater Center area (NW Charlotte), but its only two or three and its always the same ones as they seem to live close to me. I've seen a Cyber Orange, an Area 51, a Carbonized Grey and an Oxford White one which was plastered with decals for some business.

I don't get down to the Fort Mill area, but I am sometimes seen in the N. Tryon/Arrowood area. Can't miss my red one. I have yet to see another red one with the AirDesign fender flares on it

My dealership has only received 7 of the MY23 Mavericks so far. I know they got almost 100 ordered. 7 out of 100 at this time in the model year isn't looking good.

I have insane luck except when buying lottery tickets though. I got my First Edition Lariat Hybrid in January of last year and was the 2nd one sold at my dealership. And my MY23 Tremor is now built and awaiting shipment. If all goes well, I should have it by May 19th or soon thereafter.

And I will say I got used to all the options on my MY22, so the Tremor was ordered with the options as close as I could get them to be the same. About the only things different aside from colors, flares and tonneau will be the drivetrain itself once its here.

 

[gte105u]

I know this was a rhetorical question, but I'll bite. Do I believe in Karma in the Hindu spiritual sense of deeds and past lives and such, no. But in the Budist cause and effect sense I do.

The world is made up of cause and effect, action and reaction, push and pull. Small things can become big things, and you never know when a good thing you do comes back to you 10 fold. You never know if the person you're talking to has a lot more pull than you thought, and treating them with dignity and respect can help you for the better.

When looking at the action of situations and potential outcomes, you must assess causation vs correlation vs coincidence. In the scenario of the OP, there is possible correlation between how he ordered and the outcome of the order. Instead of shotgunning around 4, it's possible one well researched order where he built good will, found a reputable dealer, got a better priority code, ensured they had allocations, possibly got a call if one was cancelled, etc would improve his chances. Not certain but possible.

But I do feel strongly that as you step out of the micro view of an individual order to the macro, the ideas behind Karma are real. Most cultures have a similar concept. Being a good and positive person who tries to better the things around then through action and attitude will in the long run better one's life in my opinion. So if one seems to say that bad things follow them, look at yourself first... What goes around comes around.

 

[Old Ranchero]

I know this was a rhetorical question, but I'll bite. Do I believe in Karma in the Hindu spiritual sense of deeds and past lives and such, no. But in the Budist cause and effect sense I do.

The world is made up of cause and effect, action and reaction, push and pull. Small things can become big things, and you never know when a good thing you do comes back to you 10 fold. You never know if the person you're talking to has a lot more pull than you thought, and treating them with dignity and respect can help you for the better.

When looking at the action of situations and potential outcomes, you must assess causation vs correlation vs coincidence. In the scenario of the OP, there is possible correlation between how he ordered and the outcome of the order. Instead of shotgunning around 4, it's possible one well researched order where he built good will, found a reputable dealer, got a better priority code, ensured they had allocations, possibly got a call if one was cancelled, etc would improve his chances. Not certain but possible.

But I do feel strongly that as you step out of the micro view of an individual order to the macro, the ideas behind Karma are real. Most cultures have a similar concept. Being a good and positive person who tries to better the things around then through action and attitude will in the long run better one's life in my opinion. So if one seems to say that bad things follow them, look at yourself first... What goes around comes around.

You just made my brain hurt

 

[GyroRon]

Hopefully none of these dealers made you sign a purchase contract. If one did, they may hold you to it on these multi-orders.

The types of orders dealers enforce have been talked about on this forum, their pros/cons, etc.

I actually did sign a purchase contract back in summer '21 because I wanted to lock the dealer into the price. On delivery, I walked in, and there was nothing for the salesman to do but give us keys. Just mentioning this because you want the Mav at a certain price point.

I just signed the basic order form and gave a $500 deposit on each. If by some chance all 4 trucks got built and the dealers insisted I actually buy all 4, I have the means to be able to buy them and I would buy them if I had to... As it is pretty clear that I could resell these trucks and not only break even buy likely turn a small profit for myself in the process. I live in South Carolina and one perk of SC is a $500 sales tax cap, so basically I would get one truck for X plan price plus $500 in tax and maybe another 1-2 hundred in tag fees.... then the other 3 would be MSRP plus $500 tax, $800 DOC fee, $100-200 tag fees.

But we all know that if the trucks came in and I scooped up one to keep for myself, the dealers would have no issues keeping the others to sell themselves for 4-6 grand mark up. I have been contacted by the salesman twice now at one of the dealers offering turned down mavericks at 5 grand over and they both sold within a day.

 

[mspmms]

These trucks caught my eye back in late 2021... But didn't really consider getting one till spring of 2022. I do not want to pay over MSRP period. I have the ability to buy with X plan plus have a bundle of ford pass points to use. I figure I needed to order one and wait on it. Waited for order banks to open and when they finally did in September I put in my orders. Yes I said orders, I guess I am a greedy SOB, as I figured with constraints and whatnot I would order one truck with the bare minimum level of trim and options I could live with ( a XLT hybrid with remote start, co pilot, lux package ) and another exactly how I really want one ( Lariat hybrid with Lux, remote start, BAP, both co pilots ). Did this because figured it would double my chances of getting one or the other built, and to be honest there is a big difference in price between the two and was thinking if the cheaper XLT came in first I might decide I can live without the extra stuff the lariat has and be happy that I saved 6 grand.

Ordered from one of the biggest dealers near me in Charlotte NC. Then went to another large Charlotte area dealer and placed duplicate orders with them. That puts me on the books with 4 orders.

Yes I know there will be people saying my 4 orders are greed, and my orders mean less chance someone else gets their truck. My plan was to only take the first one that came in and likely cancel the other 3. Maybe if the XLT came first, I would keep the Lariat orders active till one of those is built and once one of them is built I could sell the XLT privately and get the Lariat. But I did not intend to buy up all 4 trucks. But whatever, I did what I did and if it makes me a bad person than so be it.

But aside from all that, I spoke to both dealers earlier this week and honestly it seems highly unlikely I will get any of these four trucks. Both dealers told me they had over 200-250 orders ( at each dealer ) placed in that short window in Sept the banks were open, and both told me they have seen hardly any of those orders come in at this point. One of the dealers said he doesn't think they have gotten in more than 6-7 trucks out of the over 200 they put on order. With 2024 banks opening in July, I don't see high odds that any of my orders will be picked up.

Be interesting to see if other dealers are in the same boat, with a high percentage of unfulfilled orders.

I still want one of these trucks but I am not desperate by any means. We did some shuffling around with vehicles in our household and replaced my wifes 2019 Mazda CX9 with a highlander, and I decided to keep the Mazda for myself to drive while waiting for the Maverick. I like the Mazda so much I almost don't even care if I get the maverick at all. Pretty much just the rising gas prices and the promise of 40+ mpg with the hybrid engine is the only real appeal to the maverick at this point as the Mazda is a much classier vehicle with outstanding fit and finish and bells and whistles the maverick would offer... and the Mazda is about paid off at this point.

I had predicted by summer it would be somewhat easy to find used and unclaimed mavericks for MSRP or below, but now I am rethinking that.

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[Bob_Snow]

I ordered mine from Capital Ford in Charlotte in October of 2021. Rolled over to the MY2023 last September. Truck is now built and awaiting shipment. I hope I get it by the end of May.

 

[GyroRon]

Just you being on here and writing up a lengthy diatribe means you are just as desperate for one of these as many others. The End.

I am most certainly not desperate. If I was desperate I would just buy one with the marked up pricing, Carvana has a ton of them, carmax has a ton of them, autotrader shows a ton of them, even see quite a few listed on facebook market place. I am paying cash for it when I buy it and I have plenty of cash on hand... I can easily pay the mark up if I wanted to.

But yes I do want one. And I want one bad enough that I keep tabs on this forum and facebook groups fairly regularly to keep up with whats going on with them.

But I don't want one bad enough to pay over sticker for one. I feel like that is simply not a smart move, and when you add in 5 grand plus DOC fees ( The X plan eliminates the DOC fee ) to the lariat I have on order your now talking about spending over 40 grand for this truck. I don't think it is a smart buy at 40 grand.

 

[GyroRon]

4 orders? 20 orders? may the bedbugs of a 1000 Super 8 Motels take refuge in your pubes....

anywho... while you all are placing multiple orders, could you place one with the specs that I need so that eventually there is a vehicle on a dealer lot that I'm willing to buy when you don't take delivery of yours? PM.. I'll give you the specs...

Ha!

You know, I considered that What I ordered would actually be pretty desirable to a large portion of people who might want a Maverick. I mean cactus grey has to be one of the most popular colors, and as we all know hybrids are quite in demand, and I got remote start, Co pilot, and the lux package and that is it on the XLT. Got basically the same thing with the lariat but added the BAP package so it wouldn't have those ugly brown seats. I did figure that if somehow all 4 trucks did get built, there would be no shortage of people willing to buy the 3 I didn't take.

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