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[atomguy245]

I can't stand the auto engine stop feature so no way would I have considered the hybrid even if it got 100 mpg and AWD. At least I can turn that off on the ecoboost.

The hybrid stop/start is total different than the ecoboost. The starter doesn't crank every single time like it does on the ICE. I also turned off the start/stop system on my last ICE car. It is very annoying. The hybrid truck starts off in EV mode and then the ICE just slides in as you roll. You barely notice it at all. Same while you are moving The ICE starts and stops effortlessly. It's totally different than a regular ICE with start/stop.

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[maverickeric]

I get that for most people fwd is technically easier on ice and snow, but I have never had an issue. ofcourse most of my favorite winter vehicle when I lived in ohio, were manual transmission. While I have taken fwds on some decent ice and snow, they arent really comperable to how well my 91 ranger did in the snow. With nothing more than a 60lb sandbag by the tailgate and street tires, I would regularly drive on solid ice days, and easily get home from work when the highway is nothing more than a set of 10"deep snow ruts. In deep snow fwds just get stuck quicker to me.

I think you just prefer RWD, but I see almost no way a RWD truck is going to hang with a FWD, even with both cars having snows on...unless you have 1k lbs in the rear for traction. I have a 98 F150, aggressive tires, RWD, and had 320+lbs of sand and swore I'd never take it out in the snow again...barely made it up a gentle incline. I'd consider myself a good driver.

That said,FWD maverick is a huge selling point imo, as it's a snow capable vehicle without much effort, and affordable. All the other trucks are RWD at their lowest price point - which is only suitable for those living in the warmer states.

 

[Speed2000]

No, I have never driven a hybrid. What I do know is turning an engine off and on isn't good for it. Does the hybrid motor constantly run the oil pump so the top of the motor stays lubricated or does all the oil drain down into the pan leaving the moving ICE parts vulnerable to premature wear and tear?

 

[Waterick]

No, I have never driven a hybrid. What I do know is turning an engine off and on isn't good for it. Does the hybrid motor constantly run the oil pump so the top of the motor stays lubricated or does all the oil drain down into the pan leaving the moving ICE parts vulnerable to premature wear and tear?

The typical hybrid ICE will run hundreds of thousands of miles. I don't believe the same is true for the EB. In normal use a hybrid ICE is not shut down long enough between cold starts for the oil to significantly flow out of the top of the engine.

 

[surfstar]

Yeah, I'd prefer a hybrid with a long warranty (8yr/100k) vs a turbo when going for long term reliability and low cost of ownership.
And in case someone thinks the long warranty is because hybrids aren't reliable: it's due to emissions regs.

 

[OleFordGuy]

The typical hybrid ICE will run hundreds of thousands of miles. I don't believe the same is true for the EB. In normal use a hybrid ICE is not shut down long enough between cold starts for the oil to significantly flow out of the top of the engine.

Nothing against the hybrid/ICE option, but I think your way off base on the EB statement. The EB design and variations in sizes have been around a really long time. Granted during the Mazda/Ford love affair their was some issues in some of them that Ford has corrected since the divorce. Their design in various configurations/sizes are used in numerous vehicles and there's been over 200 Million of them built. Even the Ford Raptor and Ford GT uses a EB engine. It's not uncommon to see 200-300K miles in a "well maintained" EB when you some web searching.

Granted the following link is somewhat old, but I thought it contained some decent information for folks not familiar with Ford, EB engines, etc.
https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/46724-ford-edge-gets-20l-ecoboost/

 

[Waterick]

Nothing against the hybrid/ICE option, but I think your way off base on the EB statement. The EB design and variations in sizes have been around a really long time. Granted during the Mazda/Ford love affair their was some issues in some of them that Ford has corrected since the divorce. Their design in various configurations/sizes are used in numerous vehicles and there's been over 200 Million of them built. Even the Ford Raptor and Ford GT uses a EB engine. It's not uncommon to see 200-300K miles in a "well maintained" EB when you some web searching.

Granted the following link is somewhat old, but I thought it contained some decent information for folks not familiar with Ford, EB engines, etc.
https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/46724-ford-edge-gets-20l-ecoboost/

I admit to being a newcomer to EB technology, so thanks for the link. My concern about the EB really is only it's link to direct injection. Is this really a maintenance issue 40K+ miles down the road? Is this problem solved? If not, I can't believe the big manufacturers expect people to accept this in order to get respectable performance and fuel mileage.

 

[Maverickman74]

I think you just prefer RWD, but I see almost no way a RWD truck is going to hang with a FWD, even with both cars having snows on...unless you have 1k lbs in the rear for traction. I have a 98 F150, aggressive tires, RWD, and had 320+lbs of sand and swore I'd never take it out in the snow again...barely made it up a gentle incline. I'd consider myself a good driver.

That said,FWD maverick is a huge selling point imo, as it's a snow capable vehicle without much effort, and affordable. All the other trucks are RWD at their lowest price point - which is only suitable for those living in the warmer states.

I think its all driving technique. Ive never had snow tires, heck most of my life in ohio i never had good tires. I think whay most people are referring to in this debate is ease of maintaining traction. But in a rwd you have ability to control rotation. Basically when driving on ice your brakes are useless in almost every car. But wheelspeed can still move you. So instead of sliding forward trying to stop, i would turn and spin the rear tires to rotate sideways then forward in a new direction. Basically something like drifting but a nornal speeds. Again a manual transmission or a old auto with very few gears works better.

Without driving this debate any further. Just saying from the perspective of someone who has driven fwds, awds, rwds, 3 wheeled forklifts, 4 wheeled forklifts, straight trucks, 4x4s, semi trucks, tractors, skid steers, excavators, dingos, mowkarts, rail steer push buggies, and motorized pallet jacks, and soon to be a Maverick Tremor. If the power is only on one end, I will prefer it out back.

 

[CTYankee]

Now, if Ford wants to throw in a Coyote 5.0 and AWD, I would be down for that in a second.

And since they seem to want to bring back legacy names, they could call it the Thunderbolt.

 

[fossil]

I think its all driving technique. Ive never had snow tires, heck most of my life in ohio i never had good tires. I think whay most people are referring to in this debate is ease of maintaining traction. But in a rwd you have ability to control rotation. Basically when driving on ice your brakes are useless in almost every car. But wheelspeed can still move you. So instead of sliding forward trying to stop, i would turn and spin the rear tires to rotate sideways then forward in a new direction. Basically something like drifting but a nornal speeds. Again a manual transmission or a old auto with very few gears works better.

Without driving this debate any further. Just saying from the perspective of someone who has driven fwds, awds, rwds, 3 wheeled forklifts, 4 wheeled forklifts, straight trucks, 4x4s, semi trucks, tractors, skid steers, excavators, dingos, mowkarts, rail steer push buggies, and motorized pallet jacks, and soon to be a Maverick Tremor. If the power is only on one end, I will prefer it out back.

they fixed the 6g Explorer, back to RWD! FWD is fine for small low to moderate powered vehicles.

 

[OleFordGuy]

I admit to being a newcomer to EB technology, so thanks for the link. My concern about the EB really is only it's link to direct injection. Is this really a maintenance issue 40K+ miles down the road? Is this problem solved? If not, I can't believe the big manufacturers expect people to accept this in order to get respectable performance and fuel mileage.

It could be a maintenance issue down the road, but not major, if it becomes one the head is removed and valves cleaned or walnut blasted. There's a member on this forum that reported he had multiple direct injection EB in the past with high mileage that never had the issue with them. Like anything else, maintenance is KEY and not all of the EB versions are direct injected, also other manufacturers besides ford use that type design. There is no perfect, maintenance free engine/motor, ICE/Hybrid or Other IMO. Neglect anything and it will fail. After more than 200 Million of them in service, if it was as significant of an issue as some would like to imply the multiple manufacturers using it would have changed the design long ago.

As an edit to this post afterwards, for any that have serious concerns on the carbon deposits, below is a video of easy maintenance to keep from it possibly getting out of hand and needing major cleaning/walnut blasting:

 

[Scott Asheville]

I think the ECO exists because lots of buyers love (or need) having 250 horsepower for various purposes (it's a hot rod for a small truck). It could also exist because the hybrid is battery constrained or a loss leader - but none of us know if that is true or not.

I'm older and generally drive my ECO in eco mode and get 28.6 mpg in mixed driving. But now and then somebody does something rude to the "slow" truck... And then I generally smoke that smug little punk.

 

[Tiger Dude]

The purpose of the Maverick is to be a little line extension, maybe get you to buy the Ford they want to sell you one day, which is the F-150, average price $65k. They aren't going to do anything that takes sales away from their cash cow. They might be losing money on Mavericks as a whole, they certainly are on base hybrids.

 

[Scott Asheville]

Automaker logic is sometimes hard to follow. Autoline has done some shows on hit. Sometimes an OEM will sell a whole line of cars that they know is going to lose money on a program basis. They do it for a variety of reasons. Sometimes CAFE credits. Sometimes to bring young buyers into the brand. Sometime for prestige for the automaker. Sometimes they're looking a decade into the future and getting a technology ready.

I think I read it typically takes years for ANY new model to start generating profit. Because a new model typically costs a billion or more to engineer and tool. I always indulge my vanity to think that my $30,500 Maverick actually cost $1.5 billion. So I got it at a $1.4999 billion dollar discount. Great deal!

 

[Speed2000]

Now that I think about it, I have driven a hybrid. No thank you. It was big and jerky, hard to modulate the gas or brake pedal, and switching over to the ICE was very noticable.

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