What specifically makes the hybrids more difficult to manufacture?

[jsus]

At least insofar as the CVT Ford produces that almost entirely in-house at the Van Dyke Electric Powertrain Center. The electric motor assembly (not sure if just the rotor or also the windings) used to be produced by Toshiba, but with the Maverick those are produced by Ford directly as well.

To be precise, the older electric motor used for Escape and Corsair to this day is built by a supplier (said to be Toshiba). Maverick uses a new in-house designed that's also built in-house at VDEPC, alongside the HF45 and the rest of the transaxle.

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[fossil]

Where is the Ford lithium mine located?

across town from Tesla's

 

[Maverick2023]

Where is the Ford lithium mine located?

In CHYNA

 

[RockCity]

Who said Ford owns a Lithium mine?

If you look at the comment I quoted, you can probably figure this one out.

 

[fossil]

At least insofar as the CVT Ford produces that almost entirely in-house at the Van Dyke Electric Powertrain Center. The electric motor assembly (not sure if just the rotor or also the windings) used to be produced by Toshiba, but with the Maverick those are produced by Ford directly as well.

A considerable factor is probably in all of the ICs used for the electronics. The DC-DC converter, the motor controller, the battery pack itself are all loaded with control electronics.

To be precise, the older electric motor used for Escape and Corsair to this day is built by a supplier (said to be Toshiba). Maverick uses a new in-house designed that's also built in-house at VDEPC, alongside the HF45 and the rest of the transaxle.

^^What they said^^
The new in house Ford motor when compared to the old is both smaller and more powerful.
Different in size enough to require the new transmission case and primary reason for no AWD hybrid MAV, no AWD case yet. So now they make at least 3 cases, AWD and FWD old motor and FWD new motor in the same plant.

 

[Mavman321]

Oh yeah? So Van Dyke Electric Powertrain Center is just for show? A myth?

https://www.designnews.com/automoti...se-maverick-hybrid-e-motor-20-percent-lighter

https://corporate.ford.com/operations/locations/global-plants/van-dyke-transmission-plant.html

Rawsonville Components hasn't been building FHEV and PHEV batteries for a decade?

https://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/10/report-ford-to-build-battery-packs-in-ypsilanti-mi/

https://corporate.ford.com/operations/locations/global-plants/rawsonville-components-plant.html

Chihuahua Engine Plant doesn't build the 2.5L Atkinson-Cycle Duratec 25 engine?

https://corporate.ford.com/operations/locations/global-plants/chihuahua-engine-plant.html

Have you seen a lithium ion battery torn apart? A single "battery" is made up of multiple battery "cells". Ford may create the battery (a bunch of cells wired together and put in a housing) but they certainly don't manufacture the cells. Most Li-ion battery cells are made by companies like CATL (Chinese company with nearly 40% world market share) LG Chem, Panasonic (makes most battery cells for Tesla) etc.


My point is Ford has to rely on companies like the above and cannot produce a battery in house from lithium carbonate, cobalt, and graphite. Hence why there's a shortage

 

[Automate]

Besides the battery and electric motor material, as everyone knows, microchips are in short supply.

The Hybrid needs 6 more electonic modules than the EcoBoost https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...im-levels-and-options-found-by-forscan.11122/

Each of the extra modules can require many extra microchips.

 

[charlos]

Where is the Ford lithium mine located?

-Behind the Ford & Edison winter houses in Fort Myers, FL (delays due to hurricane Ian).

 

[SoCalPaddy]

Is it the battery? The inverter? Something else? Is it the raw materials to make a part?

Batteries. Yes, there is a world supply shortage, (getting better BTW) but the Maverick factory has been waiting on batteries.

 

[Mymaverick2021]

Battery, CVT, and a much lower profit margin for Ford, especially the 2022s since they were 1k cheaper than Ecoboost

I'm still going back to the original YouTube video Ford relesed introducing the new all 1st ever small full hybrid truck with no mention of an Eco boost option so to me it's deceiving that Ford would say it's the 1st ever hybrid when they can't even produce it, The fact that they promote what they can't deliver is a little bit disconcerting For all of us that we're looking forward to our new hybrid truck, And since the equal boost doesn't deliver much more than in the if you're lucky mid 20MPG I'd rather go ahead and order me a Colorado that I can get in a month or 2 versus waiting a year to get a Maverick And that's if you're lucky and don't get pushed to a 2024

 

[Mavman321]

I'm still going back to the original YouTube video Ford relesed introducing the new all 1st ever small full hybrid truck with no mention of an Eco boost option so to me it's deceiving that Ford would say it's the 1st ever hybrid when they can't even produce it, The fact that they promote what they can't deliver is a little bit disconcerting For all of us that we're looking forward to our new hybrid truck, And since the equal boost doesn't deliver much more than in the if you're lucky mid 20MPG I'd rather go ahead and order me a Colorado that I can get in a month or 2 versus waiting a year to get a Maverick And that's if you're lucky and don't get pushed to a 2024

I hear ya. I had a hybrid on order from 2021 and had to switch to an Ecoboost and luckily got built early this year. Happy with the Ecoboost mpgs - averaging 28 to 32mpg, but I have a 2023 hybrid on order because that's what I originally wanted

 

[bluemaverick]

I'd rather go ahead and order me a Colorado that I can get in a month or 2 versus waiting a year to get a Maverick And that's if you're lucky and don't get pushed to a 2024

I agree. If I can't get the hybrid Maverick, what's the point? There are plenty of other small pickups that make more sense than the EB maverick.

 

[Mymaverick2021]

I agree. If I can't get the hybrid Maverick, what's the point? There are plenty of other small pickups that make more sense than the EB maverick.

Totally they get everybody worked up about their great new hybrid truck getting 42 plus miles to the gallon and turn around and I'll say oh by the way we can only give 35% of our customers what they want

 

[Ragtime Billy Peaches]

My optimistic take on this is that Ford realized majority of 23 orders were for hybrid, they lean on suppliers with drop dead get us stuff date of like March 1, hit pause on ALL hybrid orders and go balls to the wall between now and March cranking out EB's, then hit the hybrids just as hard come Spring. I'm no more impressed than anyone else by Ford's lack of insight into gas prices=hybrid orders, but even Ford has the ability to take in those 87k orders in a couple of days and realize they gotta put up or shut up. I see the December punting of hybrids as part of that plan, until someone shows me otherwise.

Still.... Would go a very long way for Ford's damaged reputation to ANNOUNCE a plan for getting all these hybrids built.

I agree this is a likely scenario , hope my Eco gets built before they get the Hybrid blowout started.

 

[Hoagus]

Not much actually. Ford builds their own batteries, they have 100% and complete control over the supply of that. Four builds their own ecvt and it's actually a much simpler and less expensive build than an 8 speed automatic transmission. The constraint is the fact that Ford only planned to build a 35% mix by virtue of their business plan, and had not ramped anything up for supplying production beyond that.

And as the previous commenter wrote, they need a specific mix of models to make enough money to make it work.

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