Fastest speed in electric mode

[clavicus]

Just to clarify a little further -- there is actually an "All Electric" mode when you first start the hybrid Mav. My theory is that this is basically a "parking lot" mode. In this mode you actually get a slightly wider range of acceleration input on battery in this 'special' case than you do at any other time while driving.

You cannot enable this mode at any other time while driving, it's just automatic when you first start it. And if you accelerate normally out of your driveway you'll probably exceed the threshold and go into normal driving mode from there forward. But it is in this mode that I've gone the farthest on battery-only before I drained the HVB. You can't really tell when your HVB has a high or low state of charge except by the context cues of when the ICE kicks on at an obviously non-accelerating moment.

You can achieve "Battery powered" coasting and minimal acceleration when going highway speeds, up to a point (like very rarely past 70 mph), and highly dependent on specific environment, road, and optional vehicle conditions.

When you get yours, you can spend time with the "EV Coach" menu to show you exactly when you drop into "Battery power" vs "Hybrid" mode (basically when the ICE is on), and "Charging" for regenerative braking -- it won't actually tell you when the ICE is specifically recharging the battery, but you can make a good guess based on if the ICE is running at a decent RPM despite your not giving it much pedal input, or when you're decelerating.

The most surprising thing to me was that the ICE RPM has been very linear with acceleration input. I expected it to be weird and all over the place since it sometimes charges the battery whenever it needs to. But in reality the engine feels like it's just directly reacting to your acceleration input, and not having a fever dream like I expected. Oh, and Sport Mode has fake gear shifts when you punch it which is still strange to me.

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[KenC]

That is not remotely true. If you are steady with the gas and anticipate changes in terrain you can always be more efficient than cruise control.

I agree with sliphorn. The cruise control is much better than the foot.

 

[sbradford26]

I agree with sliphorn. The cruise control is much better than the foot.

It depends on the type of highway you are driving. If it is very flat for long stretches of time then cruise control will be better. If it is good rolling hills or mountains then you will probably do a better job than cruise control since you can see the changes in terrain well in advance.

 

[KenC]

It depends on the type of highway you are driving. If it is very flat for long stretches of time then cruise control will be better. If it is good rolling hills or mountains then you will probably do a better job than cruise control since you can see the changes in terrain well in advance.

That makes sense.

 

[Shay]

Just to clarify a little further -- there is actually an "All Electric" mode when you first start the hybrid Mav.

Not always. It depends on temperature, what accessories you might be using, and the level of HVB charge at that point in time.

 

[Sliphorn]

That is not remotely true. If you are steady with the gas and anticipate changes in terrain you can always be more efficient than cruise control.

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That is not remotely true?! Wow.
I don't know, man. I can anticipate the hilly terrain in my area just fine, thank you very much, but the cruise control has always given me better (marginally) m.p.g. than my foot has ever been able to. The CC in my Maverick is quite good and transitions in and out (power on, power off) very smoothly. I had the same experience with my previous RAV4 hybrid. CC always wins out....for me.
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[19mustang65]

I agree with sliphorn. The cruise control is much better than the foot.

+1

 

[GreenLady]

Just to clarify a little further -- there is actually an "All Electric" mode when you first start the hybrid Mav. My theory is that this is basically a "parking lot" mode. In this mode you actually get a slightly wider range of acceleration input on battery in this 'special' case than you do at any other time while driving.

You cannot enable this mode at any other time while driving, it's just automatic when you first start it. And if you accelerate normally out of your driveway you'll probably exceed the threshold and go into normal driving mode from there forward. But it is in this mode that I've gone the farthest on battery-only before I drained the HVB. You can't really tell when your HVB has a high or low state of charge except by the context cues of when the ICE kicks on at an obviously non-accelerating moment.

You can achieve "Battery powered" coasting and minimal acceleration when going highway speeds, up to a point (like very rarely past 70 mph), and highly dependent on specific environment, road, and optional vehicle conditions.

When you get yours, you can spend time with the "EV Coach" menu to show you exactly when you drop into "Battery power" vs "Hybrid" mode (basically when the ICE is on), and "Charging" for regenerative braking -- it won't actually tell you when the ICE is specifically recharging the battery, but you can make a good guess based on if the ICE is running at a decent RPM despite your not giving it much pedal input, or when you're decelerating.

The most surprising thing to me was that the ICE RPM has been very linear with acceleration input. I expected it to be weird and all over the place since it sometimes charges the battery whenever it needs to. But in reality the engine feels like it's just directly reacting to your acceleration input, and not having a fever dream like I expected. Oh, and Sport Mode has fake gear shifts when you punch it which is still strange to me.

I have found the electric mode when starting only in warmer weather. When it is cold outside it won’t start in electric mode. I have also noticed electric mode anywhere from 55–60 mph on the flat highway or if I accelerate about 5 mph above the speed I want and then coast to the speed I want it stays on electric until it runs out of juice.

 

[Bobinmi]

I have been in the mid 60s mph in electric...you get up to 65ish, let off the gas for a few seconds, and gently push on the gas pedal, on level pavement, you can surely ride up to a half mile to a mile or so on electric.

 

[stoptothink]

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That is not remotely true?! Wow.
I don't know, man. I can anticipate the hilly terrain in my area just fine, thank you very much, but the cruise control has always given me better (marginally) m.p.g. than my foot has ever been able to. The CC in my Maverick is quite good and transitions in and out (power on, power off) very smoothly. I had the same experience with my previous RAV4 hybrid. CC always wins out....for me.
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https://www.hsoil.com/gas-myth-using-cruise-control-saves-gas.html

Cruise control can save you gas if you otherwise have a habit of being on-and-off the gas, but - again - if you have a steady foot and anticipate elevation changes you will always beat cruise control. Cruise control is especially poor in areas with a lot of elevation change because it works really hard to maintain speed when you are climbing. Engines, like most things, work most efficiently in homeostasis; the more often and intensely you change their state (ie. adding more fuel to speed up or maintain speed climbing), the less efficient they will be.

Change your driving habits (ie. don't try to maintain 75mpg when climbing a hill) and you will be more efficient than cruise control.

 

[Sliphorn]

https://www.hsoil.com/gas-myth-using-cruise-control-saves-gas.html

Cruise control can save you gas if you otherwise have a habit of being on-and-off the gas, but - again - if you have a steady foot and anticipate elevation changes you will always beat cruise control. Cruise control is especially poor in areas with a lot of elevation change because it works really hard to maintain speed when you are climbing. Engines, like most things, work most efficiently in homeostasis; the more often and intensely you change their state (ie. adding more fuel to speed up or maintain speed climbing), the less efficient they will be.

Change your driving habits (ie. don't try to maintain 75mpg when climbing a hill) and you will be more efficient than cruise control.

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Uh huh. In Yiddish.......Geyn geyzunterheyt.

 

[PDM33]

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Simple, use cruise control. The computer is way better than we are. In my driving I will often see all electric at 60 m.p.h., albeit for roughly two to three hundred yards or so. I'll take it. Terrain matters too. I live in a very hilly area so I get alot of regen.
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Not true at all, at least for me. I do 90% highway on my daily commute and get 8-10mpg MORE when I control the throttle vs using the ACC. Cruise gets me 35-38mpg but I consistently get 45-49mpg when I am the one in control. Sure it's great on long road trips but definitely NOT the most efficient. Again, this is my experience.

 

[brdl04]

It is less about a hard limit at which the gas engine kicks in, then what all of the variables are. If the amount of wind drag is low enough and power required to propel the vehicle at speed is low enough the electric motor will power the vehicle with the engine off. I see ev power on the freeway often, but it's not usually when you're laying into the throttle and trying to accelerate or pass. If you have the AC on lots of electric accessories, less.

What dash screen are you using to see EV power most often? My previous Fusion Hybrid had a very intuitive screen that showed how full the battery was and when it was precisely using battery and when the battery was running low. The Mav doesn't seem to want to tell you this information. Only when electric is being used vs gas.

 

[stoptothink]

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Uh huh. In Yiddish.......Geyn geyzunterheyt.

This isn't a debatable topic. Cruise control's fundamental purpose is maintaining a specific speed, regardless of conditions, without driver input on the gas; it is not designed to promote maximum fuel efficiency. You can get better gas mileage using cruise control in certain situations, but that's dependent on your driving habits. Personally, I prefer to change my driving habits and beat the computer (who is trying to maintain speed, not reach ultimate efficiency), more power to you if that is just too much effort. It certainly is possible that cruise control is more efficient for you, but telling others to rely on the computer because it is always better than you (for this purpose) just isn't true.

 

[Sliphorn]

This isn't a debatable topic. Cruise control's fundamental purpose is maintaining a specific speed, regardless of conditions, without driver input on the gas; it is not designed to promote maximum fuel efficiency. You can get better gas mileage using cruise control in certain situations, but that's dependent on your driving habits. Personally, I prefer to change my driving habits and beat the computer (who is trying to maintain speed, not reach ultimate efficiency), more power to you if that is just too much effort. It certainly is possible that cruise control is more efficient for you, but telling others to rely on the computer because it is always better than you (for this purpose) just isn't true.

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Uh huh. Geyn geyzunterheyt.
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