Latest Hybrid vs EcoBoost Comparison Showdown (The Fast Lane)

[Mavster Mechanic]

Not everyone looks at vehicles as only objective numbers on a spreadsheet : )

There is nothing wrong with the hybrid- from a pure numbers standpoint it is the most logical.

But for those of us looking beyond the numbers..... the hybrid could be 5K cheaper and get 60 MPG but we would still buy the EcoBoost

Same thing with my fun car- I could sell my fun car and buy a used Tesla Plaid (and have money left over)- numbers wise it does everything better then my car....yet I wouldnt trade my car in a million years for a Plaid.......

Sigh......

Someone said "buy the EcoBoost for extra capability".

I have been asking politely,

WHAT EXTRA CAPABILITY compared to a 4k tow package HYBRID?

Apparently there is NONE other than slightly faster acceleration. Since no one has been able to answer my question.

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[Chops]

Geez, a quick google search summarizes the extra capabilities from more horsepower (Ecoboost):

1) Quicker Acceleration: The engine can generate force faster, allowing the vehicle to reach highway speeds or pass other vehicles more rapidly.

2) Higher Top Speed: The vehicle can push past wind resistance and mechanical friction at higher velocities.

3) Better Uphill Performance: The vehicle can maintain speed or accelerate on steep inclines without struggling or dropping gears.

4) Increased Towing Capacity: The extra power allows the vehicle to pull heavier loads or trailers without severely compromising its drivability.

To understand how power output translates to real-world performance, you can explore detailed breakdowns on Kelley Blue Book or check out GoodCar's horsepower guide.”

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[Kenv24]

09:13-09:20
Is why the Ecoboost was chosen by this old gasser !

11:50-1153, Truth !

I want to feel a cars soul, a heartbeat.

To me the Mavbrid is a very efficient
Overpriced Golfcart.

Anybody remember the V-8 F-150’s of the 1970’s ?
The 1971, 74 and 75, Even the 1980 F-150 was a bad ass.
Especially if you had the balls to tell your wife, “We’re getting the 4X4”
And actually follow through with it.

Truck first,
Wife, they are replaceable.

" I want to feel a cars soul, a heartbeat. ".....True...but that's why/what a lot of us have second or third vehicles for. The "soul"...power and fun. Porsches, BMW's, Muscle cars, sport bikes F-450's etc. My Maverick is solely there to save gas money and not let my F-250 get stolen....as much. LOL. Not to feel the "heartbeat" of the undercarriage battery.......

 

[El Kabong]

Geez, a quick google search summarizes the extra capabilities from more horsepower (Ecoboost):

1) Quicker Acceleration: The engine can generate force faster, allowing the vehicle to reach highway speeds or pass other vehicles more rapidly.

2) Higher Top Speed: The vehicle can push past wind resistance and mechanical friction at higher velocities.

3) Better Uphill Performance: The vehicle can maintain speed or accelerate on steep inclines without struggling or dropping gears.

4) Increased Towing Capacity: The extra power allows the vehicle to pull heavier loads or trailers without severely compromising its drivability.

To understand how power output translates to real-world performance, you can explore detailed breakdowns on Kelley Blue Book or check out GoodCar's horsepower guide.”

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1. Already agreed to, we all know the EcoBoost is quicker.

2. Hard nope on this AI answer. EcoBoost powertrain may reach maximum velocity faster but both vehicles are limited by electronic speed governing.

3. Some doubt on this AI summary. Would need to see real world performance comparisons of efficiency in this scenario as one cannot easily compare the eCVT vs. geared transmission (which will, in fact, drop gears to go uphill as needed depending on load, grade, etc.).

4. "Severely compromising" driveability sounds like AI hogwash. I do not doubt that the higher torque rating of the EcoBoost should be advantageous in towing. But each can be had with a 4k tow package. Each has similar load ratings (hybrid lower accounting for weight of the traction battery, other changes depending on trim level, factory options, and whatnot). Would love to see an instrumented like-for-like towing comparison with full rated loads, and only time will tell if towing a lot with either will cause one or the other transmission type to be more failure prone.

Clearly Ford reasons that the EcoBoost setup is better suited for acceleration and spirited driving (Lobo) and off-roading (Tremor).

I went for the hybrid because I wanted the economy in my particular daily driving scenario, did not care one whit about the added up-front cost for the hybrid (waited a long time to get a new retirement buggy). Added benefit (for me anyway) is the mechanical simplicity and long-term reliability history of the eCVT vs. the conventional transmission. Even if I did all highway driving I would still have chosen the hybrid. I'm retired and not in any rush to get anywhere.

I also love a good web-based slapfight. Have at it!

I say buy what you want and enjoy the freedom of choice!

 

[IndyHavoc]

The demand for hybrid was so strong, they couldn't keep up. So made the EcoBoost the default and forced hybrid customers to pay up. Now, apparently supply and demand are fairly even for the hybrid so it's back to being the default.

As someone with a 22 Lariat Hybrid, I would never change back to a non-hybrid vehicle. My 40mpg lifetime since i got the truck has been well worth it. I've taken many long highway trips. Pulled my little 5x8 trailer around for a couple thousand of those miles. At 75k miles, it's been well worth it over the EcoBoost.

Spot on. The only thing I'll add to the discussion is that is that if you live at either temperature extremes, I'd caution away from hybrid for EB. I'm mixed local and highway and much closer to 45 mpg average over 60k miles. BUT, through winters it's much more like 35-38. The hybrid does NOT like being cold (that's even with me just bundling up and running only the steering wheel heater, no heat , no heated seats).

Hybrid for sure, but I think I'd barely see a difference in extreme cold areas (probably same for extreme heat? Not sure, I'm a Hoosier).

 

[Chops]

This thread is a Maverick Hybrid vs Maverick Ecoboost review - not a Maverick vs random sports car flex.

The YouTube video is essentially a mpg comparison. Random sports cars suck even worse than the ecoboost!

 

[Chops]

" I want to feel a cars soul, a heartbeat. ".....True...but that's why/what a lot of us have second or third vehicles for. The "soul"...power and fun. Porsches, BMW's, Muscle cars, sport bikes F-450's etc. My Maverick is solely there to save gas money and not let my F-250 get stolen....as much. LOL. Not to feel the "heartbeat" of the undercarriage battery.......

Ecoboost has more soul than the Hybrid.
Makes a difference to some drivers who believe in having only one vehicle.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Geez, a quick google search summarizes the extra capabilities from more horsepower (Ecoboost):

1) Quicker Acceleration: The engine can generate force faster, allowing the vehicle to reach highway speeds or pass other vehicles more rapidly.

2) Higher Top Speed: The vehicle can push past wind resistance and mechanical friction at higher velocities.

3) Better Uphill Performance: The vehicle can maintain speed or accelerate on steep inclines without struggling or dropping gears.

4) Increased Towing Capacity: The extra power allows the vehicle to pull heavier loads or trailers without severely compromising its drivability.

To understand how power output translates to real-world performance, you can explore detailed breakdowns on Kelley Blue Book or check out GoodCar's horsepower guide.”

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Geez...

Still no answer to my question.
Or, has the question been answered in a round about way?

So far the only capability the EcoBoost truck has over the 4k Hybrid is quicker acceleration. Everything else is personal preference it seems.

 

[El Kabong]

Geez...

Still no answer to my question.
Or, has the question been answered in a round about way?

So far the only capability the EcoBoost truck has over the 4k Hybrid is quicker acceleration. Everything else is personal preference it seems.

Maybe also EB for towing but as I wrote I'd like to see some sort of instrumented comparison test where the towed loads were equal.

Not that I'd champion the idea of a Maverick as a regular (daily) tow for heavy or even moderate loads, a Ranger or F150 seems better suited to that role.

 

[themartymac]

1. Already agreed to, we all know the EcoBoost is quicker.

2. Hard nope on this AI answer. EcoBoost powertrain may reach maximum velocity faster but both vehicles are limited by electronic speed governing.

3. Some doubt on this AI summary. Would need to see real world performance comparisons of efficiency in this scenario as one cannot easily compare the eCVT vs. geared transmission (which will, in fact, drop gears to go uphill as needed depending on load, grade, etc.).

4. "Severely compromising" driveability sounds like AI hogwash. I do not doubt that the higher torque rating of the EcoBoost should be advantageous in towing. But each can be had with a 4k tow package. Each has similar load ratings (hybrid lower accounting for weight of the traction battery, other changes depending on trim level, factory options, and whatnot). Would love to see an instrumented like-for-like towing comparison with full rated loads, and only time will tell if towing a lot with either will cause one or the other transmission type to be more failure prone.

Clearly Ford reasons that the EcoBoost setup is better suited for acceleration and spirited driving (Lobo) and off-roading (Tremor).

I went for the hybrid because I wanted the economy in my particular daily driving scenario, did not care one whit about the added up-front cost for the hybrid (waited a long time to get a new retirement buggy). Added benefit (for me anyway) is the mechanical simplicity and long-term reliability history of the eCVT vs. the conventional transmission. Even if I did all highway driving I would still have chosen the hybrid. I'm retired and not in any rush to get anywhere.

I agree with your summary. Clearly Ford is choosing to focus the hybrid Mav on economy, and that's it's market separator, but hybrids drives have much more potential as both high performance and severe duty platforms. My examples:

1. Ferrari are planning to transition to solely (or at least primarily) hybrid powertrains. They could care less about selling green cars, so clearly the instant (full) torque of electric motors is the path to the next level of performance numbers. Performance EVs like the Telsa Plaid editions are unbeatable at low end torque and sport performance, they just currently lack the broad power range and versatility of a traditional engine/transmission pairing. That's changing...

2. The commercial sector and heavy industry has long employed hybrid drives (Electric or previously hydraulic) for best performance vs efficiency in everything from buses and trains, to excavators and rock trucks, to ships and submarines. The over the road trucking industry was only held back by adequate lightweight tech and support infrastructure. That too is changing.

You simply aren't going to see many ICE-primary platforms in a decade or two - their legacy advantages just don't exist anymore. For the automotive industry It's still all about the cheapest/simplest path to market right now, not the best technological application. That's just a model of iterative innovation over time, which won't really change without outside acceleration like gov regulation, market pressure, or occasional acute technological leaps...

 

[Chops]

Geez...

Still no answer to my question.
Or, has the question been answered in a round about way?

So far the only capability the EcoBoost truck has over the 4k Hybrid is quicker acceleration. Everything else is personal preference it seems.

But we can all agree the EB is more capable. It is just a matter of degree as to how much more capable it is.

Yes, 30% more horsepower will show up in quicker acceleration if nothing else.

 

[themartymac]

But we can all agree the EB is more capable. It is just a matter of degree as to how much more capable it is.

Yes, 30% more horsepower will show up in quicker acceleration if nothing else.

I wouldn't necessarily support that statement. It's application-specific. The impaired efficiency of the EB (mileage/maintenance) is as much a hindrance to some as the small power increase is of benefit to others.

If I never tow or need sub-5 second 0-60 times, that excess power is 100% a net loss of capability.

 

[HeyBales]

city driving is where you will see the greatest gap in MPG between the Hybrid and EcoBoost

I wish I could get that 44 mpg in mainly city driving!
Wrong terrain to benefit.

 

[Chops]

I wouldn't necessarily support that statement. It's application-specific. The impaired efficiency of the EB (mileage/maintenance) is as much a hindrance to some as the small power increase is of benefit to others.

If I never tow or need sub-5 second 0-60 times, that excess power is 100% a net loss of capability.

The Hybrid is more capable of achieving high mpg’s.

The Ecoboost is more capable of achieving high speeds.

I think it is a tie? Hybrids do sell a bit better than EB’s though….

 

[babytruk]

The Hybrid is more capable of achieving high mpg’s.

The Ecoboost is more capable of achieving high speeds.

I think it is a tie? Hybrids do sell a bit better than EB’s though….

I don’t think ford governs the top speeds differently, so maybe not high speeds, but acceleration.
30% more horsepower gets around 12% 0-60 times. Makes me think the EB has much more potential in there.

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