Cali shifting to 15% ethanol in gas

[Surly Old Bill]

Hmm., Carofornication is also about control. Put a member of each political party in a paper bag, shake it up and dump it. Either member may come out first and the other last.
Some good and some bad................

off topic, but...
Political parties should be abolished. Founding fathers debated it, but eventually decided to allow them. They are a complete waste of taxpayer money; siphoning off tax dollars and paid public servant time to promote and fund their selfish agendas.

Save that money to help pay for ethanol.

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[shadow76]

Currently located several 100 KM from the truck and of course the owner's manual.

Is the '24 hybrid able to digest 15% ethanol fuel? If not, I need to warn the current operator not to refuel with it.

 

[Tyler]

Currently located several 100 KM from the truck and of course the owner's manual.

Is the '24 hybrid able to digest 15% ethanol fuel? If not, I need to warn the current operator not to refuel with it.

Yes, it is fine. All Ford vehicles made after 2013 are safe to use E15.

 

[Stcox205]

Hmm., Carofornication is also about control. Put a member of each political party in a paper bag, shake it up and dump it. Either member may come out first and the other last.
Some good and some bad................

I’m only asking a question about impact of ethanol on 2.5 2025 hybrid engine. Not looking to swerve into politics

 

[h1k3rb]

Political alignment is somewhat dependent on what your news feed(s) are. Other than mundane data like weather, traffic, stock market, etc, much is the 'news' we ingest each day is BS. Anytime someone tries to put their spin on a topic I tune out. Aren't you tired of being played?

Scientific studies have surprisingly found (you can look it up) that conservatives tend to have a slightly larger amygdala region of the brain. This is the part responsible for the fight or flight response, among other things, and partly because of this they tend to resist change. Liberals tend to be more open to change, willing to try new things that might work better than the old ways.

Oversimplified of course, but partly because of this they will never see eye to eye on most things. It's not because the other side of the aisle is stupid or boneheaded, their brains just work differently. We've found humans that disagree on a lot can still survive, but we need all of us working together and contributing with our individual strengths if we're going to thrive.

 

[colinl]

big f'n deal. whatever the ethanol percentage is, you can estimate fuel economy loss by cutting that in half, assuming nothing else changes.

E10 should get about 5% worse fuel economy than ethanol free 87 (E0 87) when the engine is running. For a hybrid, obviously, that's not near as much as a non-hybrid.

E15 would be 7.5% worse than E0, which is 2.5% additional from E10.

And yes, this is why E85 did not catch on 20 years ago, but now it's used exclusively for hot rodders. Local to me, it's never 85% octane, more like 70-77%. and that would be a 35% fuel economy hit, more or less.

 

[RR - All the way]

I’m only asking a question about impact of ethanol on 2.5 2025 hybrid engine. Not looking to swerve into politics

Well, unfortunately sometimes you get more than you asked for.... I was not trying to swerve to politics. I was trying to reply to Cherokee but did not post properly. My bad. Hope that is not a "woke" term!!??

 

[CMYSIX]

Good day.

A quick perusal of our 2025 Maverick Lariat Hybrid literature has provided the following information.

So, no worries for you as to using 15% Ethanol fuel in your Maverick...and the environment thanks you in advance!

Andy

be nice if you knew something, HOW IS IT GOOD FOR THE ENVIROMENT? ethanol in this country is made from corn about 2 1/2 % sugar, not cane sugar in South America, Hell if we made it from sugar beets then we could stop subsidizing those farmers too, making from corn requires more energy then it provides, SECOND and YOU said it the MILAGE on EVERYBODYS car is going down and not just a little bit, ALOT when I lived in South Dakota in the winter when they went to ethanol it dropped 3 miles to the gallon, the only reason we are using it is to make the corn farmers happy and your computer can see O2 with the sensors and make adjustments. it also replaces MTBE which did the same thing but was really bad for us. they have since come up with a lot of better ways, but now that we are subsidizing the farmers we must continue, it cost about $4.50 a gallon to produce

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Will the price go down with the switch ...nah ....the governor loves collecting taxes ....

Taxes are per GALLON.

Not per fuel stock.

Your post is non-sensical.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Quick question: Is there a particular chain of gas stations or combination convenience stores that have availability of pumping ethanol-free gasoline in California?

For off highway use only.
$8 per gallon.
Have to usually buy it is jugs / jerry cans. No known "pumps".

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

I moved here for a short term project for a lot of $. I stayed because of the weather.
Having grown up and gone to college in Oregon, I have already had a lifetime of rain. I enjoyed living in Summit County in Colorado, at the time, but 3-4 weeks of Summer weather is far too few.
There aren't really many setbacks in urban CA, it's the same as urban anywhere. Cost/income are relatively the same ratio as anyplace. I suppose people triggered by political soapboxing that is different than the political soapboxing they enjoy wouldn't feel comfortable, but seriously, you aren't ever exposed to it on a personal, going-about-your-business basis. Unless you're in politics. All the partisan terror mentioned by people who don't actually live here is sensationalized and cherry-picked for maximum effect. I have rarely experienced any of that. And I'm a Centrist; meaning that both polarized sides of Merkun political puppets hate me, as directed by their "leaders" (manipulators).

Anyway, where we live, we use the heater maybe 4-6 weeks of the year, and don't need AC. Money is very easy to make. I'm minutes from running and cycling trails along the shoreline and in the hills, and just a couple hours from wilderness, ski resorts, and other mountain activities. And less than an hour from near-wilderness along the coast. Also, being a big urban area, every store or product you can imagine is available with just a short drive. Gas costs maybe 10-20% more than national average, and electricity is 100%+ more than national average; we have a utility company that is for-profit with shareholders that has a monopoly in our area (PG&E). Traffic in the mornings sucks; especially now that school has started, and every single child gets a personal chauffeur ride to/from school by their parents, in individual cars. If I don't get out before 8am, it's like a 30 minute drive to go 3/4 of a mile to the freeway in the morning. So I usually just F around on the computer, like now, and wait until it dies down. CA has the highest and lowest elevations in the lower 48 (been to both several times), and numerous natural features and national parks that are world renowned. And not suffering frequent hurricanes, humidity, and Florida Man, there's no place in the country more pleasant to live. Earthquakes are a thing, but ones big enough to cause a problem are rare. We have a place on the Big Island in Hawai'i, and it's only pleasant in the "Winter" due to the heat and humidity. Even then, I have to go for my run before the Sun comes up above Hualalai or it's miserable. In the "Winter".

In conclusion; the positives of coastal CA outweigh the negatives in my opinion. Except the hellhole that is the Los Angeles Basin, but I suppose people get used to it, like a frog in a pot of water brought to a boil.

also, to keep on topic despite rambling, I don't notice ethanol gas being much different than zero ethanol gas for my style of driving. But I don't think I've used 15% before. My Sprinter was rated for up to B20 diesel, and I DID notice a difference in economy using it.

We are relative neighbors and I would mirror your comments.
There is a reason California is the most popular state and 40 million people are willing to pay the higher prices. Supply & demand my friend. Same reason there were "market adjustments" to high demand Mavericks the first two years.

Fun Fact: The lowest elevation in North America used to be in Fremont, CA.

Now reclaimed with soil, until the 2000's they had an open pit gravel mine some 500 feet below sea level.

Death Valley is -282 by comparison.

 

[ZABSMAV]

For off highway use only.
$8 per gallon.
Have to usually buy it is jugs / jerry cans. No known "pumps".

Is there a reason it isn't sold at the pump? Ethanol free gasoline is better for the environment since those that use it get almost 3 more miles per gallon than gas with ethanol, due to its higher energy content.

 

[h1k3rb]

I’m only asking a question about impact of ethanol on 2.5 2025 hybrid engine. Not looking to swerve into politics

Agree, also tired of political debates. I consider my post as anti-political. No further mention from me.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

be nice if you knew something, HOW IS IT GOOD FOR THE ENVIROMENT? ethanol in this country is made from corn about 2 1/2 % sugar, not cane sugar in South America, Hell if we made it from sugar beets then we could stop subsidizing those farmers too, making from corn requires more energy then it provides, SECOND and YOU said it the MILAGE on EVERYBODYS car is going down and not just a little bit, ALOT when I lived in South Dakota in the winter when they went to ethanol it dropped 3 miles to the gallon, the only reason we are using it is to make the corn farmers happy and your computer can see O2 with the sensors and make adjustments. it also replaces MTBE which did the same thing but was really bad for us. they have since come up with a lot of better ways, but now that we are subsidizing the farmers we must continue, it cost about $4.50 a gallon to produce

Roh roh.... here goes nothin....

I am a fuel ethanol expert. Ask me anything about it's manufacturing.
I was in the fuel ethanol business many years ago, but not currently.

70% of the corn kernel is converted into ethanol and CO2 via natural fermentation. 30% is made into animal (cattle) feed. None is wasted.

Give me 100 pounds of corn.
I will give you:

35.7 pounds of 200 proof ethanol
Which is 5.42 gallons.

35.7 pounds of pure CO2
Which is sometimes bottled
Which is sometimes made into dry ice
Which is sometimes vented

28.5 pounds of calorie dense cattle food

0.15 pounds of corn oil.
Which is sometimes called "yellow grease"
Which is sometimes made into bio-diesel
Which is sometimes (most often) added to the cattle feed to add fat to the cattle feed.

100 pounds of corn costs $7.44 on October 15, 2025.

One gallon of ethanol has 76,300 btu of energy.

To make ethanol you have a brewery and distillery under on roof. Combined this is called a "bio-refinery".

Inside the modern ethanol "bio-refinery" it takes 24,000 btu of fossil fuel heat to distill, and 0.4 kWh of grid electricity to make 1 gallon of ethanol.

People like to say moving the corn from field to refinery used fuel too. Sure. But very little. With trains, 1 ton of corn can be moved 400 miles on 1 gallon of diesel. Or move 400 tons of corn 1 mile per gallon. Usually, the bio-refineries are surrounded by corn field. Transportation of corn truly uses minimal fuel.

How far do oil companies transport oil?
Much greater distances.

And one should not delve into subsidies if trying to discredit ethanol. Oil companies get more subsidy than ethanol companies. And no one has gone to war over ethanol.

Now please. Ask me anything about fuel. Ethanol.

 

[Bret Grabber]

I wonder if the extra ethanol would raise the ceiling a bit on the timing or boost we can run in the turbo motors.

Any increase in octane will do that. Also, ethanol absorbs more heat than gas in the evaporation process and burns slower than gasoline as well.
I don't have a boost gauge in mine but did in my F150 3.5 twin and 2.3 Mustang. When running a higher ethanol content, up to 40%, the Mustang woke up phenomenally, buried the boost gauge at 20 psi and took off like a jack rabbit on a date! The F150 normally pushed 13-14 on E10, on E15 it was solidly 15 psi under WOT.
I run E15 in "Bret" most of the time and have never noticed any drop in fuel economy over E10. Happy motoring!

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