What are your thoughts on these points against owning a hybrid truck?

[710-oil-614]

Yes i did.. And someone replied and said they don;t charge more for hybrids. I expounded that the agent also said i would need to add a rider on my homeowners if I had an hybrid or an EV in the garage. And also for the charger since it is NOT a common household item. Call your agent and ask him if your house burns down due to a lithium fire are you covered. If he says yes GOOD. If he says ummmm, I don't know you have a problem. The cost to add wiring and service panels in some homes for a charger is pricey and the insurance will reflect that. Not trying to tell you YOU aren't covered just relayed what I was told by my company and agent. Yes A hybrid Maverick would cost more to insure than the EB. Simple actuary logic since they cost more to repair in the event of an accident, cost more to replace in the case of a total loss. Just as It cost more to insure a corvette than an Equinox. Why so many of you want to tell me WHAT my insurance covers is beyond me. I simply advised people to ASK if the are covered.

Hybrids do not cost more to repair in an accident.

again you’re just citing “your agent” with no evidence or proof to back up your claims.

You’re not a hybrid guy, we get it. But when we call you on some claims that are baseless you get all upset and call us arrogant amongst other things but still provide no sources or evidence to support your claims.

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[Gid]

"...feels good to only fill up every other week or so..." - You must drive a lot!

I used to fill my 3.6L SUV up weekly and after getting the Hybrid Maverick it went to once a month while commuting the same distance weekly. Now that I am retired, I expect to be stretching that to once every 5-6 weeks.

I have been driving a lot as of late, but I maybe only fill up every 3 or so weeks vs every 2 or so weeks like I said above. I just look at the "miles left" readout on the dash and start thinking about filling up when I get to around 50 miles.

 

[Benilla]

My 2022 hybrid was cheaper than the ecoboost so I'd say I've immediately done better than broken even

 

[JetFixxxer]

Done replying about this. Please everyone just assume you are covered for all possible events in your life and do not ask questions. Much simpler to go through life uninsured until you need it.
https://www.cpai.com/Education-Resources/me-and-my-family/Auto-tips/Insurance-for-electric-cars-FAQs

Not sure is what they are saying holds true in all cases. Also, since it's a insurance site, seems like they want to up sell additional coverage by recommending them.

The last section is sound advice.

 

[cyberdog]

Even including two winters my average is WAY above the EPA numbers, with a vehicle life average of near 50 (~49 & climbing again with spring arriving). And we have had COLD winters the past two years, especially this past winter. - Winter is mileage is just slightly over or at the EPA numbers, with Spring, Summer, and much of all way above. (Mine seems to be gradually increasing yet, and perhaps the engine hasn't completely broken in quite yet).

For my driving, mostly local, 45 & under, the Hybrid was the smarter choice. Even on the couple of weekend getaways we've taken, I've averaged upper 40s to spitting distance of 50 mpg in a mix of interstate 65-70 mph, and some secondary roads at 45-50 over in Lancaster PA in warmer weather. I also paid no premium for purchasing my Hybrid, having originally ordered mine as a '22 in 2021. and even though it arrived 18 months later, the 'private offer' offset the change in pricing. (Not to mention A/D Plan.)

Insurance wise, Travelers actually gives a HYBRID Discount, and thankfully NJ, one of the tax everything states, doesn't currently increase the registration fees for owning a Hybrid. If you want expensive registration fees, check out California, they're insane whether gas, Hybrid, or EV.

Something that may not have been mentioned, although there were a few Hybrid only issues early on, ask pretty much any Ford Master-Tech that works on trannies & engines, and they'll tell you overall the Hybrid should be the more reliable version over the long term. They see very few eCVTs fail or need need service, however the 8 Speed used by most of the front drive based vehicles have had a lot of growing pains, as has the 2.0 Turbo. My brother's seen 8 speeds fail off the carrier with less than 50-100 miles on them, and had to rebuild them. (He's their A-Tech, he rebuilds and doesn't swap them). He's also one of their Hybrid/EV certified techs, and rarely sees a Hybrid trans fail. When I ordered mine, he explicitly asked "You ordered the Hybrid, right?", knowing how I am, and that the Hybrid will be more reliable overall.

Do I have any regrets?.....maybe one(1) or a half a regret, that AWD wasn't offered when I bought mine, coming from a Subaru Outback, I would have added the AWD if possible. That said, my FWD Hybrid has done admirably in two winters, having gone through three substantial snow storms during the past two years. (I've owned the Tardis for two years as of April 29th).

 

[tired comet]

I don't know anything about fancy graphs or engineering calculations.
What I do know is that before my 23 xlt hybrid I was spending ~ $100+ a week on gas for a normal car. Not a big truck.
Now I spend ~ $45 every 1 and a 1/2 - 2 weeks

 

[mcluvin]

click bait video is clickbaity. It is almost certain your maintenacne costs will be more over 10 years, but batteries isn't it, that was a concern 10 years ago, they've figured out how to make batteries last, mostly by not charging and discharging them fully. There are more things to go wrong on a hybrid, and more things you can't fix yourself. That said, you can buy a 10 year old Prius (basically our tech) and they are fine. I would've gotten a hybrid if they had been avaialable, I wanted a truck, not an 18 month wait.

No clutch to wear out on the AC. No starter or alternator to wear out. Every ICE vehicle I've kept for 10 years, all 3 of these things will wear out. I guess it just depends on how much you drive though.

 

[Waterick]

No clutch to wear out on the AC. No starter or alternator to wear out. Every ICE vehicle I've kept for 10 years, all 3 of these things will wear out. I guess it just depends on how much you drive though.

Also, no drive belts to replace, unusual to have to replace brakes or transmission.

 

[The Real Maverick]

"As an example, a hybrid Honda Civic comes with a lower premium than its gas version. At the same time, you can save up to 11.8 percent on the Highlander if you buy a hybrid."

Usually car insurance premiums are based on value. Hybrids are generally more valuable. They are not more expensive simply for being "hybrid."

 

[The Real Maverick]

My 2022 hybrid was cheaper than the ecoboost so I'd say I've immediately done better than broken even

Me too.

 

[Waterick]

Back to talking about the video in question, it"s obvious he's in the EV camp but many of his anti-hybrid points really are not valid.

The many on/off cycles of the ICE have not affected the ICE longevity in the hybrid; this has been proven through long term taxi usage over 400k miles. As short as the off cycle is, most oil is still clinging to the moving parts. Much like the AS/S systems used in ICE only vehicles.

He did not mention that the hybrids tend to retain their value better and depreciate at a slower rate that regular ICE vehicles.

The moisture build up in the crankcase will happen in any ICE equipped vehicle not brought up to normal operating temperature over many operating cycles not just a hybrid thing. The lower operating temps of the hybrid are still enough to burn off any moisture. Just like in an ICE, it's incumbent on the operator to make sure the vehicle gets fully warmed up often enough. My father always instilled this in me just to make the older rust prone exhaust systems last, "always run it at least 20 minutes to dry the moisture out of it once you start it". That's one thing I like about my Maverick. I can move it with out the ICE ever kicking on.

Back to the video, I did like the comment about range extending in EV pickups. It might be nice to have the option to plug in a range extending generator for the few occasional trips you might take needing one. Although I don't think I would like listening to a generator running all night in the motel parking lot; much worse than an idling diesel l would think.

 

[The Real Maverick]

Insurance wise, Travelers actually gives a HYBRID Discount, and thankfully NJ, one of the tax everything states, doesn't currently increase the registration fees for owning a Hybrid.

Ditto.
A whole lot of insurance companies give DISCOUNTS to hybrid owners.

It's a proven fact that Hybrid owners, taken as a whole aggregate, are safer, more mature, usually higher average age, more experienced, and less risky drivers. Few hybrid owners are "rolling coal" or testing their boost pressure taking off from every light.

Seems apparent someone on here had a bad company, or bad agent. Or at least a novice one.

 

[FischAutoTechGarten]

Every user is different.

Based on my Wife's FWD Escape with a 2.0Eb that got 18 MPG average,In 90% city driving. Compare my AWD Hybrid at 40MPG in the 90% city driving, I get a 22mpg improvement. (A whopping 122% improvement for the hybrid MPG)

If you live in a city, Hybrid is 100% the way to go. If you drive mostly on the highway, it's more personal preference as MPG are closer on the highway.

An Ecoboost will not out accelerate a Hybrid at a light to city speed limits, but it will be quicker at highway speeds. Hybrids are quicker to the 1/8 mile or first block. Second half of the 1/4 mile is where the Ecoboost shines.

Ultimately Hybrid is the city choice, and Ecoboost is the country choice.

I really like your summary... (though I'd say if you live in the Virginia panhandle, like some my siblings, those twisty up and down narrow country roads might favor a hybrid too)..

Suburbs can be a mixed bag too for fuel economy. Some are loaded with stoplights and stopsigns that favor the Hybrid... some have many nice long straight patches of constant 40mph where the Ecoboost performs nicely. Here in AZ, my immediate neighborhood is very hilly and curvy (hence it's name Desert Hills) and my EB instant MPG indicator suffers when in my neighborhood... As soon as I get to flatter parts of my town/burbs the mileage starts to claw its way back up to something more satisfying rather quickly.

Habits are funny too... I can have the Maverick averaging 30+ mpg around my town/burbs after a few days of driving... give it to my wife for a day or two... she's got it down to 25-26 mpg. I get it back... I can claw my way back up to somewhere around 28-30mpg again...but I have to baby it to compensate for my wife's style of driving. She does say she wishes the Maverick would automatically startup in Eco mode...

 

[cyberdog]

Habits are funny too... I can have the Maverick averaging 30+ mpg around my town/burbs after a few days of driving... give it to my wife for a day or two... she's got it down to 25-26 mpg. I get it back... I can claw my way back up to somewhere around 28-30mpg again...but I have to baby it to compensate for my wife's style of driving. She does say she wishes the Maverick would automatically startup in Eco mode...

Laughing thinking about the fact that while my wife insists I'm a more aggressive driver than her, yet I always inch the average mpg in her vehicle higher than when she drives. Her Forester will be sitting at say 23.1, we go somewhere in her Forester (or Crosstrek before that), and magically its now at 23.4 or 23.5, without resetting the trip computer. - Drives her crazy! - In reality, I'm just smoother & steadier on the pedals than she is, and let the vehicle coast down to red lights, stop signs, and the such, whereas she'll stay on the gas longer, then need to apply the brakes longer.

 

[pa4ul]

Hybrids do not cost more to repair in an accident.

again you’re just citing “your agent” with no evidence or proof to back up your claims.

You’re not a hybrid guy, we get it. But when we call you on some claims that are baseless you get all upset and call us arrogant amongst other things but still provide no sources or evidence to support your claims.

They do tend to weigh more and will cause more damage if they are involved in an accident. Plus the tech that is involved with a hybrid cost more to work on. I've even been told depending on the working being done on a hybrid you have to get a hybrid certified tech to oversee the work which cost more by the hour. I also have a hybrid 24 lariat on my policy and a 25 lobo on my policy and the lobo cost 25 dollars less to insure a month.

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