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What about the thousands of non union people laid off due to the union holding the companies hostage?
Income inequality is ok within the union but the company?
Anytime I wanted to make more money I went back to school and learned a skill so I could move up or on.
Should have starved them out.
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maybe we should start a go fund me for auto CEOs
  • Stephen Schwarzman, Blackstone
    Total compensation:
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Feel free to start a business and pay your employees anything that you want. There are no employers that force people to work for them, and if the money isn't good, then move on. Nature is cruel too, and nothing is free, but hard work almost always pays off. Why should they pay people more than the job is worth? $20 to flip a burger at a fast food joint hasn't worked out well, and they have started to replace people with kiosks. High pay scales on low-skilled jobs will lead to offshoring or automation. Not all of us are equal, even if people want to pretend that we are, and some people are more capable and get paid more. I'm not sharp enough to be a lawyer or doctor, but I have worked hard and made a decent living for my family.
Fully agree not all of us are equal, and there has to be some incline on the field to provide an incentive to work hard and to reward those who are more capable. That is the basis of our economic system, and it has worked particularly well in the post war years.

But in recent decades the combination of wealth concentration and poor public policy which promotes wealth concentration at the expense of stability has tilted the playing field to the point where there is social unrest, hence the ease in winding people up with hate and anger. That is not going to end well. Better to implement periodic adjustments to ensure our system remains balanced, successful and dominant. That is in everyone’s interest, including the wealthy.
 

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From the Reuters article:

In addition to the general wage hike, Fain said the lowest-paid temporary workers would see raises of more than 150% over the contract term and employees would reach top pay after three years. The union also won the right to strike over future plant closures, he said.​
So if they close a plant, the workers, who have no work, can strike until they are given work in a plant that has no work to do? Or when a $50k car cost $125k and no one buys them, they get paid full wage to watch an un-closed plant wither and produce 25% of capacity. This provision would seemingly say that a plant will never again close or the UAW will strike and shut down the company.
 

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Vehicle prices just went up 3 grand. If you can’t afford a 75000 dollar F150, a 78000 dollar F150 won’t be in your future either. Union leadership is going to regret this decision. Possibly in the near future.
Stellantis moved a Jeep plant to Mexico where there are lower labor costs. Did they pass that cost savings to the consumer? No, they increased the prices 20-30%.

Manufacturers price cars according to what the market will bear.
 

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Interesting chart… definitely shows wealth inequality is mainly an American problem.

Here is another one that shows we are almost back to the robber baron days of the early 20th century:
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What I find most extraordinary is how one party has managed to hoodwink the poorest Americans into continuing to vote for even more tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. It is blatantly obvious we have a tax collection problem more than a spending problem.
I would say they collect more than enough overall. It is the tax code the anyone would use to pay the least amount of taxes possible. If you have ever deducted mortgage insurance or property taxes or claimed dependents, you are using legal loopholes to minimize your tax burden. The wealthy have more complicated situations and pay tax lawyers a lot to minimize taxes due, but that does not make all of them cheats. Plenty of times it has been illustrated that you could collect substantial amounts more from those people and it would not solve the problem. Lastly, there wealth is certainly gross compared to us average folks, but the flip-side of wage equality (socialism, communism infancy) is much worse. And it is currently the wealthy elitists squeezing the poor with high energy, expensive appliances, green subsidies, etc that makes it worse.
 

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Feel free to start a business and pay your employees anything that you want. There are no employers that force people to work for them, and if the money isn't good, then move on. Nature is cruel too, and nothing is free, but hard work almost always pays off. Why should they pay people more than the job is worth? $20 to flip a burger at a fast food joint hasn't worked out well, and they have started to replace people with kiosks. High pay scales on low-skilled jobs will lead to offshoring or automation. Not all of us are equal, even if people want to pretend that we are, and some people are more capable and get paid more. I'm not sharp enough to be a lawyer or doctor, but I have worked hard and made a decent living for my family.
Agree 100% Nobody is gonna pay $20 for a McBurger and fries meal either. Fast food was designed to be inexpensive. Take the kids to see the clown at McDs spend $35 for a family of 4 and done. Some of these places are automating even the machines now that make the burgers. This cuts it down to a literal handful of people in the back to "feed the machines" that make the product, along with the kiosks up front. I will say this though, I bet the machines will make the burgers consistent every time once programmed, and I bet your order isnt gonna get messed up either especially at the drive through.

Fast food was NEVER designed to support a family. Maybe at the manager level, but not for the peons flipping the burgers. It was designed for high schoolers to make part time scratch and get into the work force, and retirees who just want something to do. And honestly I prefer Chick Fil A to any other fast food place. The employees are pleasant, the restaurants are clean, and they are closed on sundays. Ours are always packed with customers, and the food is tasty.
 

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So if they close a plant, the workers, who have no work, can strike until they are given work in a plant that has no work to do? Or when a $50k car cost $125k and no one buys them, they get paid full wage to watch an un-closed plant wither and produce 25% of capacity.

This provision would seemingly say that a plant will never again close or the UAW will strike and shut down the company.
That’s what it says….

I’m surprised Ford agreed to that one, but in the past they have offered jobs in other plants to workers laid off due to a plant closure. Given Ford has the most UAW employees of the D3 perhaps they feel they can manage that scenario better than GM or Stellantis, who will now have to match it.
 

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Work hard, get an education in something worthwhile that will afford you the lifestyle you want and dont squander your money. I am a 3rd generation American born in my family. I can trace my roots of my great grandparents back to Warsaw Poland on my mothers side, and Sicily Italy on my pops side. My great grandparents on both sides struggled, and each successive generation did better than the next. Most of it had to do with education. IMHO college is an absolute waste and nothing more than a money pit/liberal indoctrination center.

I went into the blue collar trades along with both my brothers. Mine was aviation maintenance. I work for a regional carrier doing heavy mtx sheetmetal structures repair. My first 15 years with the company I practically lived up there. Lived dirt broke poor, but my Student loans got payed off in 5 years, home payed off in 12 years in a nice neighborhood.

I have seen guys doing the same as far as working hours and blow it all on bullshit and have nothing to show for it. I have been with the same company 28 years. As a matter of fact as I moved up the ladder, theres a guy who now works for me in my department now that started 6 months after me. Dude has declared bankruptcy, lives in a single wide trailer, and drives a 13 year old hyundai.

Point is, you have one life. It's all how you navigate it and take good care to make the right decisions. I like nice things + I dont want to work till I'm dead. I dont have a pension plan from my employer, and I believe social security will be done and over with before I reach retirement.

That being said, all along knowing this was looming. I lived dirt broke poor to put money into an IRA, and pay my home off early so I could double down on my IRA. 7 years from now, I will walk away at age 63. That will be 35 years of drilling and hammering on rivets, and crawling around on my hands and knees changing out corroded to shit logistics tracks inside fuselages. That's enough for me. If social security is still around, then that's just a bonus, but I'm not going to have to work till age 67&1/2 to get it. I will retire before then.
66 years old here, never made a ton of money. However I worked hard, and saved from a young age. As much as I could. I always listened to my father when he told me to "always live below your means". That has allowed me to retire very comfortably with zero debt and know that I will be able to enjoy my rewards for the rest of my life.
 

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That’s what it says….

I’m surprised Ford agreed to that one, but in the past they have offered jobs in other plants to workers laid off due to a plant closure. Given Ford has the most UAW employees of the D3 perhaps they feel they can manage that scenario better than GM or Stellantis, who will now have to match it.
Sounds like gurgling sound as the drain plug is pulled to me. Back when Obama was president GM and Chrysler took the gubmint bailout. They never should have. I had people keep telling me that they need the bailout. We need these companies around !! I told them if GM and Chrysler declared bankruptcy, they wont be going anywhere. it will be chapter 7 reorganization, not chapter 11 liquidation.

Under chapter 7 the old company along with its union contractual obligations becomes null and void. A new GM and Chrysler would emerge, and can negotiate a new contract which could have included a company matching 401K instead of pensions, along with other things. Nope they took the bailouts and the unions stayed intact. At that time Ford did not take the gubmint cheese. They weathered the storm. I was never a super heavy Ford guy, but that impressed me enough to buy an 07 mustang GT, and now a Maverick.
 
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66 years old here, never made a ton of money. However I worked hard, and saved from a young age. As much as I could. I always listened to my father when he told me to "always live below your means". That has allowed me to retire very comfortably with zero debt and know that I will be able to enjoy my rewards for the rest of my life.
Agreed. I live by that mantra. My grandfather was a local banker. He explained to me how loans and interest worked. And how to make it work for my advantage not the bank. He also told me that life is like a shit sandwich. The more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat.
 

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Cloward and Piven "the tipping point". Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven were both communist college professors. They both stated when you reach 51% of the population living on the "free gubmint cheese" that is the tipping point where as a politician if your the giver of the cheese they will never vote you out of office so as to never lose the "freebies". We are astonishingly close to that point today.
 
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Sounds like gurgling sound as the drain plug is pulled to me. Back when Obama was president GM and Chrysler took the gubmint bailout. They never should have. I had people telling me that we need these companies around. I told them if GM and Chrysler declared bankruptcy, they wont be going anywhere. it would likely be chapter 7 reorganization, not chapter 11 liquidation.

Under chapter 7 the old company along with its union contractual obligations becomes null and void. A new GM and Chrysler would emerge, and can negotiate a new contract which could have included a company matching 401K instead of pensions, along with other things. Nope they took the bailouts and the unions stayed intact. At that time Ford did not take the gubmint cheese. They weathered the storm. I was never a super heavy Ford guy, but that impressed me enough to buy an 07 mustang GT, and now a Maverick.
And in turn for the bail outs, they commit to things like vehicle electrification that only "survives" with federal money. Same with diesel gate at VW. The are pledging to be all electric in the near future. Strange change in philosophy - a short number of years ago, all about diesel, and now they are all for electric. EPA must have been part of that to keep them in business.
 

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Coward and Piven "the tipping point". Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven were both communist college professors. They both stated when you reach 51% of the population living on the "free gubmint cheese" that is the tipping point where as a politician if your the giver of the cheese they will never vote you will out of office so as to never lose the "freebies". We are astonishingly close to that point today.
More in the wagon than pulling it. The wagon will loose momentum and eventually stop moving forward.
 

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Agree 100% Nobody is gonna pay $20 for a McBurger and fries meal either. Fast food was designed to be inexpensive. Take the kids to see the clown at McDs spend $35 for a family of 4 and done. Some of these places are automating even the machines now that make the burgers. This cuts it down to a literal handful of people in the back to "feed the machines" that make the product, along with the kiosks up front. I will say this though, I bet the machines will make the burgers consistent every time once programmed, and I bet your order isnt gonna get messed up either especially at the drive through.

Fast food was NEVER designed to support a family. Maybe at the manager level, but not for the peons flipping the burgers. It was designed for high schoolers to make part time scratch and get into the work force, and retirees who just want something to do. And honestly I prefer Chick Fil A to any other fast food place. The employees are pleasant, the restaurants are clean, and they are closed on sundays. Ours are always packed with customers, and the food is tasty.
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