Top Tier+ Gasoline

[Mavster Mechanic]

Detergent is always used in tiny quantities... for example, dish soap, a teaspoon does 20 liters, 20,000ml of water, or washing a typical family of four meals worth of dishes, so that's 5ml into 20,000 already, but it's lower than that even, because dish soap is 10% active ingredients and 90% water, salt, perfume, color and crap. Even if you give a goodass squirt for Thanksgiving pans cleanup you probably don't exceed 0.3 per thousand. Same with laundry detergent, even "concentrated" or garage hand cleaner, it's all bulked up, actual detergent content is relatively little.

I think your math is off a little. But it may be off a lot.

Best data on the internet for popular "Dawn" liquid dish soap is the bottles contain 55% to 70% water depending on exact variety.

To do a decent job, use your 5ml into 5 or 10 liters. But what works BEST is put a drop or two (half a mL?) on a wet sponge or brush and apply the concentrate directly to the plate. No?

Also, what percent of soil is grease / fat / water insolubles vs. sugars and salt and starches that are water soluble even if detergent wasn't present at all?

Your point is well taken though, even if off math wise.

Sponsored

 

[surfstar]

Almost all EV’s in North America are powered by “Dirty Energy” - electricity generated by coal & fossil fuels.

If Tesla was able to build EV “pumps” using only hydro, solar, and wind - they could charge a premium & market it? Add a “Clean Energy+” sticker to “pump”?

Wholly dependent upon the grid mix where the charger is located (excepting ones that have solar and battery storage onsite). Some areas could be very "clean", some very "dirty."
Makes sense if you have home solar and excess production - then you know its "clean" and "free." lol

 

[Deleted member 45110]

Holy schlemoli batman
Not only do they tell people how to
'Correctly'
Drive their vehicle...
They tell people how to wash their dishes too!

 

[Meeka]

Holy schlemoli batman
Not only do they tell people how to
'Correctly'
Drive their vehicle...
They tell people how to wash their dishes too!

Damn! Now I have to go back to “you’re soaking in it” Palmolive after all these years using Dawn!

 

[Chops]

Detergent is always used in tiny quantities...

The active ingredient/detergent in Techron is PEA. Ingredients not listed on bottle - secret recipe.

I would imagine a bottle of Techron has a different mixture from what is mixed into the tanker truck?

Techron says a bottle every 3000 miles. Hopefully it has some type of “coating” action that will take about 100 gallons of gas to completely wash away (3000mi).

Although after I add a bottle of Techron to a quarter tank - I won’t run that tank to empty. I’ll top off the tank for the next few hundred miles or more to stretch out the “half life”.

I think I will switch to the Motorcraft brand of engine cleaner additive after I use my last bottle of Techron. Exxon probably makes it for Ford anyway.

 

[Escapologist]

I think your math is off a little. But it may be off a lot.

Best data on the internet for popular "Dawn" liquid dish soap is the bottles contain 55% to 70% water depending on exact variety.

To do a decent job, use your 5ml into 5 or 10 liters. But what works BEST is put a drop or two (half a mL?) on a wet sponge or brush and apply the concentrate directly to the plate. No?

Also, what percent of soil is grease / fat / water insolubles vs. sugars and salt and starches that are water soluble even if detergent wasn't present at all?

Your point is well taken though, even if off math wise.

I looked it up, on the MSDS since "best data on the internet" sounds like code for AI slop, for Dawn Ultra it lists 15-20% sulfuric acid, I wouldn't call that detergent either, so add that to the water, and most of the remaining is detergents but it's got ethanol too.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

I looked it up, on the MSDS since "best data on the internet" sounds like code for AI slop, for Dawn Ultra it lists 15-20% sulfuric acid, I wouldn't call that detergent either, so add that to the water, and most of the remaining is detergents but it's got ethanol too.

No way it's 15-20% sulfuric acid. That would burn your skin.

 

[BLUEOVALRACER]

Only non ethanol I’ve ever seen is 93 Octane.
My engine and Turbo like the real gas.

I was going to fill up with Non Ethanol Fuel Yesterday but it was only 90 Octane and was $3.699 a gallon and 93 Octane with Ethanol was $3.499 a gallon so I just filled up with the 93.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

In 2023, renewable energy accounted for about 21% of total U.S. utility-scale electricity generation, with wind and hydroelectric power being the largest contributors. This percentage has been growing, with wind and solar energy showing significant increases in recent years.

So 21% of EV miles are zero emission miles.

what's weird is that one of the most insurrectionist States, TX, has the largest amount of solar and wind generation. I think someone there didn't read the Partisan Scriptures very well. Red States quietly leading the way to independence from fossil fuels.

 

[MaverickDragon]

Dawn Ultra it lists 15-20% sulfuric acid, I wouldn't call that detergent either...

Considering a fully charged FLA battery might have a 37% sulfuric acid concentration that will eat you alive, and Dawn soap is actually alkaline, rather than at all acidic, the information source used would appear to be based on AIHMD (AI Hogwash Modeled Data).

On a completely different note, but in line with this thread that started with gasoline grading and has devolved into dish soap and alternative energy, I find it amazing that this thread is now at Post #85 and counting in a matter of at most, 2 days. Apparently gasoline is a hot topic..

As far as ethanol in the gasoline, it does raise the octane "rating" but at a cost of the addition of a compound that is highly hygroscopic; so while it works well in the short term, in the longer term, you end up with a solution that can have an increasing amount of water in it. It's also corrosive.

 

[Escapologist]

Having water in solution isn't the problem, it's that it holds more water when warm, so when it gets cold it drops it out. So it's the water out of solution that fucks things up.

Yeah that might not be 15% total sulfuric acid they lumped it with sodium salts, which is probably just salt. https://sds.chemtel.net/webclients/cheneybrothers/540011SDS.pdf

Anyway, the whole point was, very tiny amounts of surfactants, ie detergent are used in what you think is "100%" detergent, but is 90% NOT detergent, and is further diluted in correct and non wasteful use. That is in reference to the point that fractional parts per thousand "aren't gonna do anything honest bruv my gut feels say so"

In other news, tiny amounts of saccharin taste sweet and all consumer forms of it are bulked up a lot, tiny amounts of LSD will get you wasted off your ass, and tiny amounts of urine are enough to close a swimming pool, so recalibrate your damn gut feelings ppl.

 

[inline_five]

The NEWEST car chargers can add 25 miles per minute. For the average car, that is about 1 gallon per minute equivalency.

More to the point; 5 years ago it was half that.

In 5 more years EV recharging will be on par with gasoline refueling.

Possibly, maybe. But fast charging is also extremely bad for battery longevity.

When it's solved I'll be first in line to buy. The EV driving experience is good.

 

[WJOHNM]

Back in the day when BMW made the 318 they had problems with carbon, vehicles had rough idle and running rough with AC on or loss of power going up hills those brilliant German engineers told us to tell customers to add a bottle of techron at fill up, that went over real good, sorry your car is not going to run good unless you use additives in fuel or dont use your AC or go up steep hills.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

Back in the day when BMW made the 318 they had problems with carbon, vehicles had rough idle and running rough with AC on or loss of power going up hills those brilliant German engineers told us to tell customers to add a bottle of techron at fill up, that went over real good, sorry your car is not going to run good unless you use additives in fuel or dont use your AC or go up steep hills.

In this Middle Kingdom between ICE era and the coming EV era, a lot of different cars REQUIRE high octane or factory recommended additives. If I don't use "super", the X5 has noticeable, but not debilitating, issues going up over the Saddle Road. In my Transit(not Connect) and the Mav, I can use whatever gas is cheapest and there are no noticeable differences going over mountain passes. I wonder if in the Horse Era there was breeder recommended feed or additives for "enthusiast" horses?

Now, most vehicles except "enthusiast" vehicles can run just fine on 86-93 octane fuel with no owner added additives being added for additional benefit. Apparently there are benefits to running high octane in the Mav, but I've never tried it. Lower octane is much cheaper, and the engine is made to run on it without issues. I suspect that any MPG improvements by using 92 would not eclipse the additional cost, and it would simply cost more to operate. Might be worth it if pulling a trailer or something, though.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

In the 2022-2024 Hybrids I have never found horsepower to be lacking while towing close to 4k.

The weakest links are FWD for traction on unpaved surfaces, and the generator will get hot on sustained 6% grades at highway speeds.

I can't imagine a world where more octane would help my never knocking hybrid.

Sponsored