Todays perception of power

[zeketolliver]

I wish I had your self control. I just love the noise my trucks make when I floor it too much.

My 2013 Insight has a 1.0L NA 4cyl paired with the electric engine, which only yields about 90ftlbs of torque, and I can still get up to merging highway speeds around Columbus without too much of a problem...it's getting tougher at 101,000+ miles, but I can still go 70/75 on the highway without much trouble as well.


I JUST realized you were talking about the sound your engine makes being awesome...so...I don't really have a dog in the fight on that level. When I ping the pedal, my car sounds like a pissed-off weed eater.

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[STARCOMMTREY1]

Lol ain't that the truth or the Carolina squat idiots... its so horrible here but hey guess it is what it is I live here and gotta deal with them...

You bigot! If they squat their truck is just means they play for the home team!!!!!!

 

[STARCOMMTREY1]

Horsepower aside, torque is what made the trucks of yesteryear perform well. Most gas trucks from mid-80s through early 90s carried at most around 180-240 hp. But, they packed a solid 250-325 lb./ft. of torque!

That's the problem with the Maverick hybrid. While torque will be instant, it will not approach these numbers. That's OK though for its intended market.

The EB? Certainly.

The point of the torque was towing power. The 94 150 was rated at 7500 POUNDS! It was heavier than the mav and towed more. It needed the extra torque. You are worried about speed. That is herspers.

 

[Old Ranchero]

Maybe some folks need to remember the Maverick, especially the Hybrid, is build for day-to-day practicality and fuel efficiency.

Keep in mind, most other car hybrids have 1.(0-5)L gas engines paired with electric engines. The Maverick 2.5L is a big ass 4-banger paired with the electric engine.


Ford designed this truck with it's other models' capabilities in mind, as well as with the knowledge that customers have varying needs.

...after putting together this little chart...if your primary concern is "power," then the F150 V8 LX RWD Single cab gives you the biggest bang for your buck, and the Maverick Ecoboost is your 2nd best value (in terms of base model power value).

Once you factor in people carrying capacity and fuel economy, I still believe the hybrid to be your best value, as the annual fuel cost of the Hybrid should be roughly half to 60% that of the F150.

Also, I have to say, when compared against the Hybrid and the rest of the Ford truck line-up, the Maverick Ecoboost DEFINITELY holds it's own when it comes to power and value.

The step downs are obvious:
$32,980 - F150 XL 4x2 - 5.0L V8 - 400HP, 410ft/lbs - $/HP 82.45, $/ftlb 80.44
$32,180 - F150 XL 4x2 - 2.7L V6 EB - 325HP, 400ft/lbs - $/HP 99.02, $/ftlb 80.45
$30,985 - F150 XL 4x2 - 2.7L V6 EB - 295HP, 265ft/lbs - $/HP 105.03, $/ftlb 116.92
$26,910 - Ranger XL 4x2 - 2.3L Ecoboost - 270HP, 310ft/lbs - $/HP 99.67
, $/ftlb 86.81
$22,575 - Maverick XL FWD - 2.0L Ecoboost - 250HP, 277ft/lbs - $/HP 90.30, $/ftlb 81.50
$21,490 - Maverick XL FWD - 2.5L Hybrid - 191HP, 155ft/lbs - $/HP 112.51, $/ftlb 138.65

Curious where you got specs on the F-150 XL? Not disputing anything. Haven't seen a new standard cab in years, everything around here is Supercab or Crew cab. We bought a 2018 F-150 XL Sport Supercab new off local dealers lot. It has the 5.0 Coyote V-8 derived from Mustang. 10 speed trans, 5 driving modes, rubber floor, blacked out grill, bumpers, mirror caps, etc. It is default 4x2- but has selectable 4x4 hi & low ranges + electronic locking rear differential in low range. We never checked HP or torque numbers, but it hauls loaded horse and camping trailers & full bed loads just fine and really scoots unloaded. Gets ~18 MPG combined and 22-27 hiway with no loads and mixed terrain roads.

Price on window sticker was $36,xxx with limited electronic tech and I think just the selectable 4WD options. There was a XLT version in the next town over with chrome package, a few more tech features & comfort items- but basically same truck for $38,xxx. Our choice has met all our expectations and then some.

I'm buying the Maverick for my everyday use and daily driver to support my hobbies when big truck not needed and more utility for loads than my Jeep Grand Cherokee. 2.0L AWD fits my needs best.

 

[RGinFL]

I think we will be satisfied with the Hybrid. I am driving a VW Tiguan 2.0 Turbo AWD rated at 180 HP. Don't discount the electric motor - 94 kW is a lot of power added to the gas engine.
The best questions to ask yourself:
Am I towing or off-road?
Speed Driver (2.0) vs. Regular Driver (2.5 Hybrid)?
300 mile range or 500 mile range?

I wish they had an option for AWD on the Hybrid - probably next year...

 

[zeketolliver]

Curious where you got specs on the F-150 XL? Not disputing anything. Haven't seen a new standard cab in years, everything around here is Supercab or Crew cab. We bought a 2018 F-150 XL Sport Supercab new off local dealers lot. It has the 5.0 Coyote V-8 derived from Mustang. 10 speed trans, 5 driving modes, rubber floor, blacked out grill, bumpers, mirror caps, etc. It is default 4x2- but has selectable 4x4 hi & low ranges + electronic locking rear differential in low range. We never checked HP or torque numbers, but it hauls loaded horse and camping trailers & full bed loads just fine and really scoots unloaded. Gets ~18 MPG combined and 22-27 hiway with no loads and mixed terrain roads.

Price on window sticker was $36,xxx with limited electronic tech and I think just the selectable 4WD options. There was a XLT version in the next town over with chrome package, a few more tech features & comfort items- but basically same truck for $38,xxx. Our choice has met all our expectations and then some.

I'm buying the Maverick for my everyday use and daily driver to support my hobbies when big truck not needed and more utility for loads than my Jeep Grand Cherokee. 2.0L AWD fits my needs best.

I did an 2021 F150 XL build on the Ford website, and it lists 3 cab configurations, standard, supercab, and supercrew. The supercab adds $4k to the XL, and supercrew adds nearly $5k over the supercab. You can shave $1300 off the crewcab configuration by going to a 5.5' bed, vice 6.5'.

My main point is Ford has lots of options as far as desired power level goes. Secondary point, I don't understand the hand-wringing about "available power" in the Maverick when there are so many other options.

Ford built the Maverick with the intention of slotting it below the Ranger in terms of size, power, and cost.

 

[STARCOMMTREY1]

I did an 2021 F150 XL build on the Ford website, and it lists 3 cab configurations, standard, supercab, and supercrew. The supercab adds $4k to the XL, and supercrew adds nearly $5k over the supercab. You can shave $1300 off the crewcab configuration by going to a 5.5' bed, vice 6.5'.

My main point is Ford has lots of options as far as desired power level goes. Secondary point, I don't understand the hand-wringing about "available power" in the Maverick when there are so many other options.

Ford built the Maverick with the intention of slotting it below the Ranger in terms of size, power, and cost.

It's meant to compete with CARS NOT OTHER TRUCKS

 

[zeketolliver]

It's meant to compete with CARS NOT OTHER TRUCKS

I think it is designed to compete with other cars AND serve as an entry level truck.

 

[STARCOMMTREY1]

I think it is designed to compete with other cars AND serve as an entry level truck.

I will concede entry level truck. I mean for me it is serving as a car/small truck. My 350 is just too thirsty and is honestly overkill usually. Now with the hurricane coming in I will be towing a 10k# camper down there to do tree work....the mav would be less than useless.

 

[SgtLip]

I wish I had your self control. I just love the noise my trucks make when I floor it too much.

Believe me, after being a speed demon all my life, it is extremely difficult. Being honest, I hate being in a cluster on the highway. I will step on it to break free and get good air. I guess that's why my average MPG stays at 44 MPG. My best is 46.5 MPG. I get the higher number when I'm being good. So you can see from my average, that doesn't happen a lot.

 

[SgtLip]

Love it. Driving has become so much less stressful since I figured out that people are only in your way if you're trying to go faster than them.

That is the truth. But I hate being in a cluster and will break out on occasion.

 

[STARCOMMTREY1]

That is the truth. But I hate being in a cluster and will break out on occasion.

I understand completely....especially when it's all big rigs

 

[SeaMav206]

Merging is a bad one but even worse? Try driving in a mountainous area with an underpowered car, especially if you get caught behind a semi struggling to make it up the incline and you want to pass.
I made a drive like that in a Nissan Versa once and swore I'd NEVER do it again, lol. The 2.0 EB in my Escape is damn near perfect for me power wise (although the constantly confused and hunting transmission is a different topic), so I expect the Mav EB to be a nice, parallel move. That's why I changed my mind post-order and switched to it from the hybrid.

LOL I had to do that in a rental Sentra and I said never again as well

 

[Old Ranchero]

I did an 2021 F150 XL build on the Ford website, and it lists 3 cab configurations, standard, supercab, and supercrew. The supercab adds $4k to the XL, and supercrew adds nearly $5k over the supercab. You can shave $1300 off the crewcab configuration by going to a 5.5' bed, vice 6.5'.

My main point is Ford has lots of options as far as desired power level goes. Secondary point, I don't understand the hand-wringing about "available power" in the Maverick when there are so many other options.

Ford built the Maverick with the intention of slotting it below the Ranger in terms of size, power, and cost.

ahh, good thinking. Adding the $4k for supercab puts us right at the stickered price on the 1 we bought- 3 years ago

Agree with your main and secondary points too.

 

[‘80F100]

My 2013 Insight has a 1.0L NA 4cyl paired with the electric engine, which only yields about 90ftlbs of torque, and I can still get up to merging highway speeds around Columbus without too much of a problem...it's getting tougher at 101,000+ miles, but I can still go 70/75 on the highway without much trouble as well.


I JUST realized you were talking about the sound your engine makes being awesome...so...I don't really have a dog in the fight on that level. When I ping the pedal, my car sounds like a pissed-off weed eater.

One of my trucks is a rusty old Dodge Ram 2500 with over 230,000 miles on it. It has a 8.0l V10 with true duals. She’s not much to look at but I love the deafening roar it makes. My 1980 F100 has a stock 302 that sounds awesome too but it’s kind of a dog.

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