Rear View Camera

[RSM]

My understanding is that Lariat trim was not impacted. I have had no issues

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[HeyBales]

It would be interesting to know if there is some similar setup with the 5 that have reported problems.

Extra options the ACM has to deal with processing? (or did some extra options not come on the simple ACM equipped trucks anyway?)
Sequence of events?

I can't recall the results of my last test of Start and immediately throw it into Reverse.
IIRC the underpowered system wasn't happy and there was lag time for an image - don't recall freezing though.

 

[James K]

Current vehicles have much poorer rear visibility than they used to. They all sit higher, with a higher deck. It is much more difficult to see anything down low behind your vehicle than it used to be. The cameras are essential.

Do you not even care about something you run over damaging your vehicle?

I never ran over anything so I can't answer that. You make an assumption that plays into part of my original post. Sorry, I'm a retired risk manager. As such I have a philosophy that there is no such thing as an "accident". I'm not saying it couldn't happen, just that I believe taking 10 seconds before I reverse is worth avoiding the time, money and heart ache of doing something stupid. I do also use the camera, but it is simply another tool of risk mitigation. However, my brain is the best tool in that toolbox.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

My understanding is that Lariat trim was not impacted. I have had no issues

@RSM
Sean, what year is your Lariat?
The reason why the backup cameras in the lariat we're not affected was because the Lariat used the sync system.
Early model XL and XLT both used Ford/harmon connected Touch Radio system. Those systems had the problem with the backup camera freezing.

 

[Blue_Max]

You make an assumption that plays into part of my original post.

What assumption did I make?

 

[MaverickDragon]

You're arguing for it and you're not without substance: estimates are 60-70 lives saved per year. My argument is at what cost (both monetary and freedoms).

The cost equation could be expressed as savings - cost.
The cost is the cost of the required feature, but the savings component requires a dollar value on a life saved... How much is a child's life worth? (It's a rhetorical question with the answer somewhere between zero and infinity).
In this case the mandate supersedes a necessary positive outcome, based on a premise that life is precious.

How does having a backup camera impact your freedom ?
Are you forced to look at the screen to help prevent you from backing over something important?
If you are suggesting that since you drove without a camera, it isn't needed, why not rail against seatbelts? You drove without them and didn't die, so they should not be required either, but they are, and in this case in many jurisdictions you can be fined for not wearing one while driving.
To me, that seems like a more intrusive case than requiring a backup camera.

As far as your statement " just that I believe taking 10 seconds before I reverse is worth avoiding the time, money and heart ache of doing something stupid." - Well, if that actually worked consistently, you'd have an argument. There is nothing your rear check will do to prevent a toddler on a tricycle from rolling behind your truck as you get into and start the car.

That scenario can be as likely as the kid being back there when you looked.

 

[Bob The Builder]

I totally agree with you. As a matter of fact here's how big the blind spot is as highlighted by @icegradner

If I didn't have a camera on the back of the "Tilton Hilton" I wouldn't be able to see a thing for the next mile behind it.

My God man that must be the maximum legal RV size ever. I'd have to text message my wife if we were on opposite ends of that bad boy. We're both deaf in one ear and can't hear out of the other.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

My God man that must be the maximum legal RV size ever. I'd have to text message my wife if we were on opposite ends of that bad boy. We're both deaf in one ear and can't hear out of the other.

It's a hand full bring it down the mountain. This year my nephew-in-law offered to come with and help with the driving. With tow control, engine brake and Cruise. The truck is very capable. As long as I don't have to ride the brakes. I don't like getting the message pull over the brakes are hot.
A least there wasn't any snow a week ago.
This was last Friday when we pulled out the trailer weighing about 5,500lb containing the four seat Can-Am. I started to worry, but the weather cleared.

 

[Speed2000]

I usulally back into wherever I park.

 

[James K]

What assumption did I make?

reread your post and don't say well you

What assumption did I make?

Really, your comment is based on an assumption. I can't help you if you don't know what an assumption is.

The cost equation could be expressed as savings - cost.
The cost is the cost of the required feature, but the savings component requires a dollar value on a life saved... How much is a child's life worth? (It's a rhetorical question with the answer somewhere between zero and infinity).
In this case the mandate supersedes a necessary positive outcome, based on a premise that life is precious.

How does having a backup camera impact your freedom ?
Are you forced to look at the screen to help prevent you from backing over something important?
If you are suggesting that since you drove without a camera, it isn't needed, why not rail against seatbelts? You drove without them and didn't die, so they should not be required either, but they are, and in this case in many jurisdictions you can be fined for not wearing one while driving.
To me, that seems like a more intrusive case than requiring a backup camera.

As far as your statement " just that I believe taking 10 seconds before I reverse is worth avoiding the time, money and heart ache of doing something stupid." - Well, if that actually worked consistently, you'd have an argument. There is nothing your rear check will do to prevent a toddler on a tricycle from rolling behind your truck as you get into and start the car.

That scenario can be as likely as the kid being back there when you looked.

1) If I don't want to pay for a backup camera I have no freedom of choice.
2) Seatbelts have saved many lives but have also cost some lives. Ask anyone who has burned in a car due to seatbelts and I bet they don't like them. Oh wait, you can't because they're dead.
3) Really, at what speed is that toddler pedaling? You don't just look directly behind the car but all around. If you see a toddler, you keep an eye on them. If you lose sight, you don't back up.
4) While you don't want to admit it, you make decisions daily that put people in danger that can result in death. Buy a can of corn and you put the farmer, canning factory operator and truck driver that delivers it in harms way. Jeez, think past the immediate. A

 

[Blue_Max]

reread your post and don't say well you

Really, your comment is based on an assumption. I can't help you if you don't know what an assumption is.

You assume I'm fluent in gobbledygook. I won't waste my time with you further, though. I just hope I'm never behind you when you're backing up.

 

[MaverickDragon]

1) If I don't want to pay for a backup camera I have no freedom of choice.

You have the freedom of choice to not buy a new car. Keep your model A.
You also don't get to buy a new one without anti-lock brakes, but apparently no one needs them because you don't. The audacity of your positions are truly revolting.
Fortunately, your dislike for life saving features doesn't count for squat.

2) Seatbelts have saved many lives but have also cost some lives. Ask anyone who has burned in a car due to seatbelts and I bet they don't like them. Oh wait, you can't because they're dead.

Along with being entirely wrong, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
People in cars with seatbelts that are killed are overwhelming due to them not being worn.
Why not use a fact that has some basis in reality?
You could make your case to the racing community as all of those 3 point harnesses are an obvious danger. If you want to be taken seriously, try being less ridiculous.

3) Really, at what speed is that toddler pedaling? You don't just look directly behind the car but all around. If you see a toddler, you keep an eye on them. If you lose sight, you don't back up.

Maybe if everyone were perfect like you, nothing bad would ever happen. But it does.
Perhaps some day you will back into something or someone because the rear camera offends you. Hopefully the injured parties' attorneys take you to the cleaners.

4) While you don't want to admit it, you make decisions daily that put people in danger that can result in death. Buy a can of corn and you put the farmer, canning factory operator and truck driver that delivers it in harms way. Jeez, think past the immediate.

You know nothing about me, so I have zero interest in your opinion at this point after yet another ridiculous comment. You corn can example has as much relevance as your other specious arguments, so at least you are consistent.
I don't do this often, but you're the leading candidate to be added to the ignore list.
Do the public a favor and stay off the road.

 

[MaverickDragon]

I usulally back into wherever I park.

Did someone named James send you that pic....

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

You have the freedom of choice to not buy a new car. Keep your model A.
You also don't get to buy a new one without anti-lock brakes, but apparently no one needs them because you don't. The audacity of your positions are truly revolting.
Fortunately, your dislike for life saving features doesn't count for squat.


Along with being entirely wrong, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
People in cars with seatbelts that are killed are overwhelming due to them not being worn.
Why not use a fact that has some basis in reality?
You could make your case to the racing community as all of those 3 point harnesses are an obvious danger. If you want to be taken seriously, try being less ridiculous.

Maybe if everyone were perfect like you, nothing bad would ever happen. But it does.
Perhaps some day you will back into something or someone because the rear camera offends you. Hopefully the injured parties' attorneys take you to the cleaners.


You know nothing about me, so I have zero interest in your opinion at this point after yet another ridiculous comment. You corn can example has as much relevance as your other specious arguments, so at least you are consistent.
I don't do this often, but you're the leading candidate to be added to the ignore list.
Do the public a favor and stay off the road.

I'm still waiting for him to answer my question. He gave a long and involved non-answer. A real answer would have gone counter to his narrative.

 

[Meeka]

My God man that must be the maximum legal RV size ever. I'd have to text message my wife if we were on opposite ends of that bad boy. We're both deaf in one ear and can't hear out of the other.

But Glen has a Coyote engine in his Mav, just won’t admit it.

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