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So really thereās 3 driving power modes:
1) Full electric
2) True hybrid (ICE with supplemented electric)
3) Full ICE
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Power meter question on 2025 models
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1) Full electric
2) True hybrid (ICE with supplemented electric)
3) Full ICE
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Youād think Ford would make this topic way easier to understand or show on the dash display.
I will say thisā¦Iām getting better gas mileage, ironically, now that Iām being a bit more aggressive on the gas pedal. I think I was being TOO light. I was always trying to keep the electric mode within the bars. Iād drive slow. But Iāve noticed now that I give it a little kick, I see that blue portion more at the bottom of the ICE power meter when in hybrid drive mode. I wasnāt getting that hardly at all before. And my mpg is increasing because of it.
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I don't have a 2025.
But I can infer it is similar to the 22-24's.
The blue in hybrid drive (when gas is also running) shows how much battery power you have available. Not necessarily how much you are currently using.
Try this on an uncongested road with speeds 25-35 mph where you have room to adjust your speed without bothering anyone.
Pull back on the gas pedal until the white/grey bar comes down to the blue one. 99% chance the engine will shut off at this point. The bar (I infer) is your "cheat sheet" to get into all electric drive.
Try it. Probably it's just like the 22-24's but we have a horizontal bar.
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I donāt know about that. When I accelerate in gas/ICE mode I will see the blue portion actually increase and get higher.
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Yup.
Because the generator is spinning.
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Ok so that means itās not always good to be light on the gas pedal. If as you say the generator spins and charges more when you accelerate, that would explain why Iāve noticed better gas mileage when I have a heavier foot during gas acceleration. Seems like itās better to pop the pedal then coast, pop the pedal then cost. Instead of being continuously light footed. Maybe thus is why people say their wives get worse mpg when they drive lightly.
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It's better to "coast" a minute at 45 mph than a minute at 25 mph, yes.
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Iām going to posit my theory here. I believe the distinct blue/green portion at the bottom of the power bar represents the alternator charging. Itās the only explanation that makes any sense, considering it peaks out at highest level when Iām accelerating the hardest in ICE mode.
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Yes, and initially I thought you might be right. But I experimented today and let me tell you what I noticed:
When I accelerated hardest, especially going up a hill, the bluish-green portion of the bar was the highest. At one point it was almost half-way up the white bar. When I let off the throttle, the bluish-green portion went DOWN. It didnāt stay there and it didnāt āmeetā the top of the white bar or switch into electric at that point. I tried this many times.
So the bluish-green portion has to be either the alternator charging OR itās the electric battery supplementing the gas engine.
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P.S. we "owners" as well as the manufacturers themselves use the term "generator" or "Motor-Generator" or "MG" for short to describe the unit(s) that "generate" power and "regenerate power" from braking.
But they are in fact generating AC alternating current. And alternating current is spinning the wheels. AC is much easier to control. But alas... batteries can only hold DC. So there are infinite instantaneous transformations occurring every time we drive.
The hybrid concept was around for 100 years. It took the invent of fast computers to make it feasible.
But they are in fact generating AC alternating current. And alternating current is spinning the wheels. AC is much easier to control. But alas... batteries can only hold DC. So there are infinite instantaneous transformations occurring every time we drive.
The hybrid concept was around for 100 years. It took the invent of fast computers to make it feasible.
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If (big if) they changed the basic program from 2024 to 2025 (possible) then I guess it could be showing electric boost.
2022-2024 behaves as a "loosely interpreted" kilowatt meter.
But when you back off on the engine (engine kW goes down) it meets the kW available from the battery. And dropping further, shuts the engine off when battery kW available exceeds demand from the foot pedal.
The foot pedal is no longer a "gas" pedal. It is a "power pedal" and we have two power sources.
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They must have changed the program. What you described is how the current āEV Coachā meter works. When the bars go down (closer to middle) and it catches the middle, it converts to electric. But the Power Meter is clearly different. As I said, I believe the blue/green portion represents the alternator charging the electric battery. This would explain why I get better mpg when I just drive normal instead of being light on accelerating.
You can get better mpg tha cruise but this will demonstrate as you put it the pop and coast. Get on a up and down 50 mph maybe winding road. If you brake just tap resume set cruise 45-55 mph. Watch the % power gage. As cruise goes up and down the hills the % power will go deep into green and go into the white to 30%-40%-50% sometimes. Cruise driven like this can get 50 to 60 mpg (depending of course) but will show how 40-50% power usage for a few seconds is better than 2 or 3 times as long at lower power usage. (Remember if 10% or more power demand the ice will be running anyway so you need to use the electricity that can be generated if needed at that rpm which can be changed of course but not nearly as rapidly by just increasing the load on the generator motor. There has to be some immediate reserve ice rpm.) The hybrid display on the lariat shows the electric-hybrid-ice distribution better. It is amazing to watch when in hybrid you can see pulsing of charge and discharge from battery sometimes presumably when electric assist is only needed for a part of second and the remainder of the second is used for charging.
As you speculated, the green indicator "south" shows charging.
The two colors north show respective ICE and electric use. You can have both at the same time. If you use a heavier foot while accelerating, you will often FEEL the electric motor in addition to the ICE. It's a nice steady push that an ICE alone doesn't give you. You can also see it on that indicator as blue as it's assisting the ICE during acceleration.
It is completely normal to see both blue and grey at the same time. It just means the electric motor is supplementing the ICE as needed. This is totally normal and desirable.
The two colors north show respective ICE and electric use. You can have both at the same time. If you use a heavier foot while accelerating, you will often FEEL the electric motor in addition to the ICE. It's a nice steady push that an ICE alone doesn't give you. You can also see it on that indicator as blue as it's assisting the ICE during acceleration.
It is completely normal to see both blue and grey at the same time. It just means the electric motor is supplementing the ICE as needed. This is totally normal and desirable.
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