PHEV pollution much higher than it should be

[NJBob]

Ceramics make a huge difference now in the world of turbos. I really like the Jeep 2.0 Hurricane engine as it has a liquid cooled exhaust manifold which does wonders keeping the temps down in the turbo. BTW a side benefit of that is almost instant heat in the winter. I gotta have that turbo supplied low end torque!!

Yeah, NA engines are now old news.

First turbo car I owned was a Chrysler LeBaron K car. One day it smoked like crazy sold it to a coworker he said it was the turbo. That car was a pos. Was slow too.

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[Tiger Dude]

I am 99% sure this is a journalistic alarm piece created to generate views. The manufacturers use government-mandated methods to estimate fuel consumption, this article is saying that supposedly real-world results are not the same. Is anyone in the US surprised if they don't get the EPA fuel economy?

If people don't plug in their PHEV's then they will run just like regular hybrids.

 

[Stang89]

Light driving split between 3 vehicles.
I've added 6.3 gallons gasoline to my Escape PHEV with 2000 miles on it.

I’m picking up a 2023 Escape PHEV for my wife next weekend, she’s been driving a CMax Hybrid, other than driving to our cottage on the highway she should be able stay electric 99% of the time.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

The entire subject of EVs and global warming has become a religion, and it is almost always impossible to change someone's religious views because religion is based on faith, not facts.

YUP!

 

[Derwood]

I'm not anti EV, but the reality is the technology is in its infancy. You can debate the feel good climate benefits ad nauseum, but most people don't care. The hard numbers on cost of ownership makes the EV proposition shaky. I'll wait until there's are proven economic benefit, with no performance or drivability penalty until moving in that direction. The most irksome EV issue is braking as not one manufacturer has figured out how to make the regenerative/friction braking transition seamless.

There have been several studies done that show an EV only being better long run for the pocketbook IF one could buy at basically the same price as an ICE vehicle. Me, I'm happy being on the middle ground with my hybrid Maverick!

 

[RobN]

PHEV, EV, and combustion engines are options we have, and they are NOT A SOLUTION to anything. They are merely options, and the best option will ultimately win.

People forget that even before modern EVs existed, there were different options for people. Some wanted the big V8 sports car or truck. I used to have a little 3 cylinder stick shift Chevy Sprint (predecessor of the Geo Metro) and loved it for driving around town. It could go long distances, but was truly awful on hills, I'd get passed by loaded semis. It's not like ICE is some monolithic tech.

Eventuality most people learn that life is about tradeoffs. Only then can they acknowledge no one approach works well for everyone, as we all make different decisions on which tradeoffs we prefer.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

There have been several studies done that show an EV only being better long run for the pocketbook IF one could buy at basically the same price as an ICE vehicle. Me, I'm happy being on the middle ground with my hybrid Maverick!

Yup. I just imagine mine as an EV with a portable generator.

 

[Oscarcat]

Electric vehicles are almost all about low-end torque. Real-world usage shows that most owners accelerate a lot more than gas vehicles as a result. As a direct result, they wear tires at 2-3x the rate of non-electric vehicles, and the low-rolling-resistance tires cost 2x as much to replace. What is more concerning is that almost half of the particles in the Pacific Gyre and similar pollution concentration points are from tires. The partial fix is pretty simple - build electric vehicles with much smaller motors. That would also allow for much smaller batteries, thereby solving another huge pollution problem with electric vehicles. Of course they would not sell as many then, since most electric car owners are acceleration freaks.

Agree 110%. First thing my neighbor did when he got his Tesla Model Y was take me for a drive. He warned me before he accelerated to brace my head against the headrest and I'm glad I did.

My son purchased a Model 3 single motor and it is plenty fast 0-60mph.

My other son just leased a Vinfast. More acceleration than needed. They had a deal on the remaining 2023's for $2k acquisition and $275/mo. 10k miles per year. It is a heavy sucker and I understand tire wear on EV's due to the heavy batteries and the pollution that causes. But the brake pads wear slowly so.... I have faith that will be resolved as battery tech advances.

I think my 24 Lariat hybrid is slightly heavier than my 22 Lariat FWD EB but only by a 50-ish pounds.

I only need enough acceleration to get me on the freeway to merge. I seldom am on 2 lane roads where I need to pass. Even my 5 speed PT Cruiser can do it.

When I fly with a first-time passenger in one of the flying club's Cessna 172's to get the $350 hamburger, the first thing they ask is "how fast can it go". I tell them it's about 65 years old, how fast do you want to go?

 

[rmay635703]

Just caught this article this morning, claiming that Toyotas in particular pollute almost as much as non-electrified vehicles when measured in real-world scenarios.
https://thedriven.io/2024/04/18/toy...emit-four-times-more-co2-than-company-claims/

European.gov tests are invalid, my car supposedly gets 80mpg there but only 37mpg here.

And higher emissions…
That’s actually true of all newer vehicles driven in <60F weather.

and the funny part is the US government requires nearly unlimited CO2 emissions to fire the cat a few seconds faster because our country doesn’t even recognize the “pollutants “ listed by said article as emissions.

All newer cars run pig rich and hard during warmup cutting initial fuel economy in half making immense emissions under the claim it fires off the cat faster when it actually just damages the cat driving up emissions after only 5-6 thousand miles.

Dumbass government won’t pull their head out of their A and require cars to be tuned for best fuel economy at all times emissions be damned because that actually makes less overall emissions and slows cat wear.

The worst for “trying to fire” the cat are hybrids because of the ECVT but in either event it’s a stupid government mandated manmade problem. Allow cars to be tuned like older models with fuel economy and lower “co2 “ being most important during cold weather and warmup.

A past president of Green Peace has brought up exactly this. He's concerned the focus on O2 is misplaced and our solutions to it are harmful in other ways. Truthfully, I get nervous anytime an expert speaks on this subject (and just about every other subject) because if you look throughout history, experts have a poor track record of getting things right and have actually caused more harm than good. People often confuse a consensus with being right.

That’s only eurozone centric
The US government could care less about CO2 in terms of vehicle emissions And allows unlimited amounts of fuel, co2 and voc during warmup to prevent NOx.

this focus is far worse than being focused on fuel use and co2 emissions.

 

[inline_five]

Wow, go back and read the OP. Also, when you crack on someone about their education, you probably should write in proper grammar or risk some readers dismissing your comment. BTW: what idea do people have on electric vehicles that is misconstrued?

All OP did was link to a ChatGPT written "article" that repeated the same three sentences over and over again.

The best part? It has absolutely zero to do with our Mavericks (hybrid or not).

I don't see an issue with my grammar in my post. I wrote it on my phone sitting on the can.

 

[Gonzo chris]

I like 2.0 turbo engines. Both our vehicles have them. We're gas & oil people. Grew up that way. We love fossil fuels.

What we need are decision makers that do not promote either technology. Let the people decide the mode of transportation they prefer and let these technologies sink or swim based on their merits.

I like the idea of letting the people decide, but that's kind of simplistic in the modern world. Not debating EVS or pollution benefits that come with them or don't. Nobody changes their mind anymore. The fact is if you let people decide then you might as well not have speed limits. You wouldn't have any emissions controls at all if people just got to choose. They had to be mandated by the government. How many people in the '70s when the EPA started, emissions controls would have spent extra money to put pollution controls on a car? Probably almost none. Same with any kind of environmental laws. Should we let let chemical companies decide how to dispose of their waste? I mean obviously if there is a cleaner better way that might cost more money, at least in the beginning, individuals are going to choose their own best interest which might not be the cleaner less polluting one.

 

[Gonzo chris]

lol

Yeah, that's a Tesla. Teslas are largely substandard in my opinion. But if a company comes out and has only been making cars for 10 years, they would probably have crappy gas engines as well. I've worked on gasoline cars and I've worked on electric motors and an electric motor is a lot simpler. If a proper manufacturer makes it and doesn't feel the need to make it a computer on Wheels it would be much more reliable. That cyber truck is a piece of junk in my opinion.

 

[Gonzo chris]

YUP!

Yes, it's almost like people only trust experts or so-called experts that tell them what they want to hear. Personally, I like a high revving naturally aspirated engine with a manual transmission. That's personally my favorite, especially if it's rwd. But I do also recognize that human-driven climate change is a thing. So I realize that what I like isn't necessarily the best environmental choice. It seems like people always choose the opinion that backs up what they want to here

 

[James K]

All OP did was link to a ChatGPT written "article" that repeated the same three sentences over and over again.

The best part? It has absolutely zero to do with our Mavericks (hybrid or not).

I don't see an issue with my grammar in my post. I wrote it on my phone sitting on the can.

I took issue with your mean-spirited tone to the OP, especially cracking on his/her education. I've met high school dropouts who were brilliant as well as well as PhDs that were not so intelligent.

You are correct, it was not about the Maverick but I've read several posts here that were not specific to current Mavericks and appreciated them.

As far as grammar, you may want to check your spelling.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

Yes, it's almost like people only trust experts or so-called experts that tell them what they want to hear. Personally, I like a high revving naturally aspirated engine with a manual transmission. That's personally my favorite, especially if it's rwd. But I do also recognize that human-driven climate change is a thing. So I realize that what I like isn't necessarily the best environmental choice. It seems like people always choose the opinion that backs up what they want to here

High revving, naturally aspirated, manual transmission.
Sounds like my 2018 Polaris Slingshot. Noisy, windy, dirty, no heat, no AC, no power brakes, no power steering. Punch it in second . . OFF WE GO. Fun on three wheels.

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