Ordered a 25' Lariat Hybrid , Having second thoughts ...

[Phimosis]

It's not really an issue. It's a matter of consciously driving in a seat that benefits the hybrid power train and increases MPG. The actual EPA city cycle really doesn't.

It really is an issue. Because “consciously driving in a way to improve mpg”, is hypermiling. And hypermiling always requires that you slow down. Hypermiling saves you money at the gas pump, but you lose money in productivity because of extra time wasted on the road.

I drive 25k miles per year. At 75 mph average and 40 mpg in my prius, that is 333.33 hours of driving, 625 gallons of gas and $2,500 at the pump.

if I hypermiled my Prius and averaged 60 mph and got 50 mpg, that would be 416.66 hours, 500 gallons of gas and $2,000.

By driving faster, I save 83.3 hours per year, but have to pay an extra $500 per year for additional fuel. So it’s costing me $6 per hour to “buy” extra time.

I am more than willing to pay $6 an hour for free time, so slowing down to hypermile is not in my future plans at all. Like, maybe when I retire and my vision is going bad

The EPA numbers simply help you do the math to figure out how efficient, or inefficient the car is.

Based on how fast I drive and how my current mpg compares to the EPA ratings, I would probably be getting 28 mpg highway in a hybrid.

which makes the claims of “40 mpg at 70 mph” seem unrealistic.

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[npaladin2000]

It really is an issue. Because “consciously driving in a way to improve mpg”, is hypermiling. And hypermiling always requires that you slow down. Hypermiling saves you money at the gas pump, but you lose money in productivity because of extra
Time wasted on the road.

I drive 25k miles per year. At 75 mph average and 40 mpg in my prius, that is 333.33 hours of driving, 625 gallons of gas and $2,500 at the pump.

if I hypermiled my Prius and averaged 60 mph and got 50 mpg, that would be 416.66 hours, 500 gallons of gas and $2,000.

By driving faster, I save 83.3 hours per year, but have to pay an extra $500 per year for additional fuel. So it’s costing me $6 per hour to “buy” extra time.

I am more than willing to pay $6 an hour for free time, so slowing down to hypermile is not in my future plans at all. Like, maybe when I retire and my vision is going bad

The EPA numbers simply help you do the math to figure out how efficient, or inefficient the car is.

Based on how fast I drive and how my current mpg compares to the EPA ratings, I would probably be getting 28 mpg highway in a hybrid.

which makes the claims of “40 mpg at 70 mph” seem unrealistic.

Well my time isn't that valuable when I'm doing my biweekly hauls to Jersey City and back. I can afford the 10 extra minutes each way, especially since there's always some traffic somewhere alone the way anyway.

 

[FreedomPenguin]

Well my time isn't that valuable when I'm doing my biweekly hauls to Jersey City and back. I can afford the 10 extra minutes each way, especially since there's always some traffic somewhere alone the way anyway.

Agreed
I personally go the speed limit. 69 in 65, 70sh at 70.
Honestly I don’t care to get anywhere faster, I let the rockets fly by me going 80-100.

 

[Phimosis]

Agreed
I personally go the speed limit. 69 in 65, 70sh at 70.
Honestly I don’t care to get anywhere faster, I let the rockets fly by me going 80-100.

I’m not rocketing by people at 80-100 on the New Jersey turn pike though.

I’m on a dark desert highway with the cool wind in my hair.

 

[FreedomPenguin]

I’m not rocketing by people at 80-100 on the New Jersey turn pike though.

I’m on a dark desert highway with the cool wind in my hair.

I didn’t mean to qoute you lol but yeah Ohio interstate 100mph is normal, one person does it, then trains of cars follow the flow

 

[710-oil-614]

Absolutely agree. I never say I get 40 on the interstate. I know that while going 70mph my mileage is much less than 40. I’d say closer to the 33-35 range. The 40 on the trip computer always includes the time getting to the interstate and off of it. But I’m still pleased to get that mileage on the interstate in a truck. And my average including all of my city driving is pretty close to 40.

I wish it was actually 33-35 because that would be in line with epa rating but my real world mpg is 27-29 on highway.

 

[GlennR]

People should factor in the chip you can get for the Maverick, which can give you a awful lot more power.

 

[710-oil-614]

People should factor in the chip you can get for the Maverick, which can give you a awful lot more power.

And void your powertrain warranty.

 

[inline_five]

I have always wondered how people are getting 40 mpg freeway when the EPA rating for the Maverick hybrid is only 33 mpg.

I’ve owned nearly a dozen cars since the turn of the century and I have never once had a car that does as well as its EPA claimed rating.

This picture clears up what is probably going on with these 40 mpg freeway claims. Your average speed was 59.9 mph. And unless you have corrected your AFE bias in Forscan, your Maverick trip computer is going to read 5% higher than actual fuel efficiency. Because yeah, almost every automaker programs their trip computers to inflate the mpg numbers to make people feel better about their fuel economy.

So you’re likely getting 38 mpg at 59.9 mph. That jives with the 33 mpg EPA highway rating, which is tested at 80 mph.

Yeah, I’m Captain Buzzkill. But I’m more interested in the facts, that in the feel good vibes of self-deception.

Reading between the lines it's not even a sustained 80 mph. Just a "top speed" of 80 mph. It doesn't say for how long.

My personal tests show hybrids getting around 36-36.5 mpg @ 70 mph sustained with tires inflated to 40-42 psi in the summer. That's calculated mpg, based on 350-400 miles of round trip driving and filling up before and afterwards, with little HVAC usage (ie little us of A/C) in zero traffic.

This drops to around 30 mpg if temps are <30°.

Guessing ±35 mpg is about the best you'll get at sustained highway driving (ie get on highway and drive for three hours) at 70 mph. Good? Yes, but not 40, 50 or 60 like many like to report on here.

Adjust up/down from there based on speeds. 75 mph you'll be lucky to crack 33 mpg, 80 mph sustained I'd guess 30 mpg. 60 mph you'll probably get closer to 38.

 

[inline_five]

It really is an issue. Because “consciously driving in a way to improve mpg”, is hypermiling. And hypermiling always requires that you slow down. Hypermiling saves you money at the gas pump, but you lose money in productivity because of extra time wasted on the road.

I drive 25k miles per year. At 75 mph average and 40 mpg in my prius, that is 333.33 hours of driving, 625 gallons of gas and $2,500 at the pump.

if I hypermiled my Prius and averaged 60 mph and got 50 mpg, that would be 416.66 hours, 500 gallons of gas and $2,000.

By driving faster, I save 83.3 hours per year, but have to pay an extra $500 per year for additional fuel. So it’s costing me $6 per hour to “buy” extra time.

I am more than willing to pay $6 an hour for free time, so slowing down to hypermile is not in my future plans at all. Like, maybe when I retire and my vision is going bad

The EPA numbers simply help you do the math to figure out how efficient, or inefficient the car is.

Based on how fast I drive and how my current mpg compares to the EPA ratings, I would probably be getting 28 mpg highway in a hybrid.

which makes the claims of “40 mpg at 70 mph” seem unrealistic.

Said another way, 83 hours is almost 3.5 days of sitting in your vehicle. So you give yourself an extra 3.5 days for $500.

Seems reasonable to me.

I hypermile around town because it's better on the truck (less wear and tear etc) and time savings are minimal. On the highway I will go 70-75 mph. If it costs me 3 mpg I really don't care.

 

[umpkey]

I will give my two cents. I had a 24 XL Hybrid from January 24 to August 24 then a 24 Lariat Hybrid from August 24 to now. I drive a lot of mile as I do 60 miles round trip about 6 days work mostly interstate to work and back. I love the Hybrid, I am getting the best gas mileage I have every had and get the most miles per tankful I have every had. I normally do 75 mph on the interstate and get about 34-36 mpg and I can't complain. I don't know what difference the AWD is going to make that you are getting, but I can't imagine it will be that much. I love the transmission in the Hybrid with the fact that I never feel a shift and it is just a smoothing constant drive (and not having the auto start/stop is really nice). I will also say I am not every able to tell when the truck transitions from ICE to electric is just so smooth and quiet. I can't decide for you, but just wanted you to know that the Hybrid has been an awesome vehicle for me. I think you will enjoy it.

 

[EffNo50]

Yeah, hybrids don't necessarily heat well. The batteries are too small to rely on purely electric heat, and they tend not to have heat pumps, so they rely on the engine to generate heat. They seem to do a lot better running the (electric) air conditioning all the time.

hmmm?????, I have the hybrid. I haven't driven an EB for comparison, but this and my previous Fusion PHEV heat up in the winter (and cool down in the summer) very quickly. Much, MUCH, faster than any previous gas only vehicle I've driven in the past.

 

[710-oil-614]

I will give my two cents. I had a 24 XL Hybrid from January 24 to August 24 then a 24 Lariat Hybrid from August 24 to now. I drive a lot of mile as I do 60 miles round trip about 6 days work mostly interstate to work and back. I love the Hybrid, I am getting the best gas mileage I have every had and get the most miles per tankful I have every had. I normally do 75 mph on the interstate and get about 34-36 mpg and I can't complain. I don't know what difference the AWD is going to make that you are getting, but I can't imagine it will be that much. I love the transmission in the Hybrid with the fact that I never feel a shift and it is just a smoothing constant drive (and not having the auto start/stop is really nice). I will also say I am not every able to tell when the truck transitions from ICE to electric is just so smooth and quiet. I can't decide for you, but just wanted you to know that the Hybrid has been an awesome vehicle for me. I think you will enjoy it.

I can’t get over 30mpg in my 2025 hybrid AWD if going over 70mph

 

[Jetlat7878$]

From the Ford desk...

Dear Jody,

Buy Both!
It’s a win/win for you.

Best Regards,
Ford Motor Corp.

For me the 2024 Hybrid Lariat that I have been driving for just over a year is fantastic for gas milage. I live about 30 miles North of Atlanta where we have hills and valleys . I'm averaging 44

From the Ford desk...

Dear Jody,

Buy Both!
It’s a win/win for you.

Best Regards,
Ford Motor Corp.

For me the 2024 Lariat Hybrid is a no brainer. Gas milage was paramount in my decision to go with the hybrid. Has more than enough power which I rarely take advantage of cause I'm more into getting the best gas performance I can. I don't have a large trailer for hauling but I do have a small utility trailer which does fine. Getting 44 MPG local and close to 40 on Interstate. Milage has so much to do about driving habits. I ease off at traffic lights and coast as far as I can when stopping. As I said I try to get as much milage as possible.

 

[npaladin2000]

I can’t get over 30mpg in my 2025 hybrid AWD if going over 70mph

I can...if doing a lot of downhill.

I do try to keep it at 70 on the highway. Here in the Northeast speed limits generally top out at 65 anyway. I know some of the wide-open midwestern states you can go a lot faster.

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