No Maverick Scheduling This Week (3/9/23) + Key Constraints

[JSG]

Mine maverick ship out January 31. it finally made it to my south ga dealership. March 13 th. Can’t believe it is finally here. Three days before my 70th birthday. Vin # 131xx. Weeee

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[Bingisser]

No scheduling week 13

Any scheduling this week do we know

 

[Bingisser]

Mine maverick ship out January 31. it finally made it to my south ga dealership. March 13 th. Can’t believe it is finally here. Three days before my 70th birthday. Vin # 131xx. Weeee

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[Bingisser]

Given the backlog, I think my dealer will just cancel my order if I walk. No vehicles are actually making it to the public anyway as passed over Mavericks are offered to their "too late" list at MSRP. The only vehicle I have ever seen them mark up was their first Lightning and they even have a slightly used one of those on offer under book.

In some areas, the market is coming down.

All dealerships here in Washington State are adding anywhere from 7 to $12000 onto the price of mavericks that get dumped on them by customers walking away so it's a win win for them One of them told me they have to market up because people are buying them and then selling them to carmax 4 An amount greatly over what they paid if they paid MSRP

 

[Bingisser]

I agree with you 100% and this is due to the crappy allocation setup that they have in place. It is the MOST utterly ridiculous BS that I have ever seen in my life. There should be no one with previous 2022 orders still waiting.

What is crazy is I ordered my truck on 9/21/22 the last day the order banks was open. My truck has been built as of 3/6/23. But it's because I am with a smaller dealership that has allocations. They had ZERO 2022 at this dealer that didn't get built, so no roll overs.

So it must be not looking good for me because the dealership I ordered through had no 2022 orders delivered so I wonder if I will get my 2023 ever

 

[OTACORB]

So it must be not looking good for me because the dealership I ordered through had no 2022 orders delivered so I wonder if I will get my 2023 ever

They are all given some, but of course if they didn't sell any of the 2022 they won't get many allocations.

 

[Bingisser]

They are all given some, but of course if they didn't sell any of the 2022 they won't get many allocations.

They had orders he said but they hadn't arrived in from the factory yet

 

[OTACORB]

They had orders he said but they hadn't arrived in from the factory yet

So none of the 2022 that have now been rolled over to 2023 have ever been built. I am at a small dealer they only sold 10 Mavericks, but all of them were delivered and they had no roll overs. So it seems like they didn't have many allocations last year.

 

[Bingisser]

So none of the 2022 that have now been rolled over to 2023 have ever been built. I am at a small dealer they only sold 10 Mavericks, but all of them were delivered and they had no roll overs. So it seems like they didn't have many allocations last year.

They rolled over to 23 but had not been delivered yet to the dealership itself I wish I would have known this before I ordered I would have probably ordered with a different dealership but it's like one of the biggest ones in Washington on the West side of the mountain

 

[livinloa]

No scheduling week 13

I have none of those key constraints. Seems like they'd be pumping those out?

 

[Old Man]

Edit: I'm not sure what half this response even means in context to mine. Why would the plant stop working if they hit a parts shortage? Why wouldn't they just keep building others without that part? Why are you even mentioning robots breaking down? These are irrelevant to SCHEDULING. This is about scheduling, not building.

My beef is simple. Its 2023. I work in software with automated processes WAY more complex than simple scheduling of a few thousand vehicles a week. My beef is with the idea that Ford is unable to schedule a years worth of orders instantly when they have yearly allocations set. Do the allocations change? Yes. Could they adjust way LESS scheduled orders this way? Yes. Would less people have to have the unknown of knowing if they will even get a vehicle? Yes. Would less people be frustrated with at least a date? Yes. What happens if any of what you said happens? THEY ADJUST as any business does. To keep 60,000 people in darkness is hilarious.

My beef is just that. It doesn't take 12 months to build any other ICE vehicle. If Ford put an ounce of software talent from their vehicles to their ordering/tracking systems none of this would happen. I mean, look at how messed up their VIN tracking system was for WEEKS. This CAN be fixed and Ford does not care to. Its that simple. Somehow we can perform surgery with robots and 5G across hundreds of miles but somehow you all think scheduling for a year is impossible.

I was in IT for 25 years with a masters in IT and degrees in Economics and Management. I worked for or consulted with several major companies. I can say without a doubt you don't know what you are talking about. It is extremely difficult to schedule a constantly changing complex system with tens of thousands of customers and thousands of suppliers from around the globe.

So on Septmber 22th they should of been able to schedule all orders to the day and not have to make any changes because they would of had all parts needed already sitting there, not had any unexpected shutdowns, no changes to orders. Sounds reasonable. No car manufacturer can do that. Most don't even allow custom orders. I talked with a Toyota dealer today and he says no custom orders, no trading with other dealers for a car closer to what a customer wants, very little inventory and long waits. Ford has several popular models right now that have stretched supply. Most other manufacturers aren't lucky enough to have that issue. I've had 31 new cars in the last 53 years, most ordered. Jeep had/has same systems and long waits on some models. Same for Chevy.

If it was simple they would fix the process. Let's have them just build vehicles with whatever parts they have and send them out, no custom orders. That will speed up the process. Problem solved.

As for communication they do have customer service agents that can be called for status (a job I would not have the patience to do). When dates can be projected they say that date but when conditions change and the date changes they just get complaints so why bother. They communicated that most hybrids wouldn't be built and changing to an EB would probably get built but most didn't switch. That's communication. They communicated weekly what parts probably won't get built. As long as it is a valid order what is there to communicate until it starts down the assembly line.

 

[richardmeyer3]

17 months and waiting

 

[bearsfan647]

I was in IT for 25 years with a masters in IT and degrees in Economics and Management. I worked for or consulted with several major companies. I can say without a doubt you don't know what you are talking about. It is extremely difficult to schedule a constantly changing complex system with tens of thousands of customers and thousands of suppliers from around the globe.

So on Septmber 22th they should of been able to schedule all orders to the day and not have to make any changes because they would of had all parts needed already sitting there, not had any unexpected shutdowns, no changes to orders. Sounds reasonable. No car manufacturer can do that. Most don't even allow custom orders. I talked with a Toyota dealer today and he says no custom orders, no trading with other dealers for a car closer to what a customer wants, very little inventory and long waits. Ford has several popular models right now that have stretched supply. Most other manufacturers aren't lucky enough to have that issue. I've had 31 new cars in the last 53 years, most ordered. Jeep had/has same systems and long waits on some models. Same for Chevy.

If it was simple they would fix the process. Let's have them just build vehicles with whatever parts they have and send them out, no custom orders. That will speed up the process. Problem solved.

As for communication they do have customer service agents that can be called for status (a job I would not have the patience to do). When dates can be projected they say that date but when conditions change and the date changes they just get complaints so why bother. They communicated that most hybrids wouldn't be built and changing to an EB would probably get built but most didn't switch. That's communication. They communicated weekly what parts probably won't get built. As long as it is a valid order what is there to communicate until it starts down the assembly line.

the absolutely irony of an account named “old man” telling me I have no idea what I’m talking about due to their 25 years of experience in “IT”. IT != software engineering. Their entire system needs rewritten.

this ain’t “IT”… yes, software startups with less than 50 ppl build entire software platforms that run huge portions of ad networks online that constantly change via machine learning, but this is “impossible”? Lol

Ford working on making self driving cars, but can’t seem to figure this out? Okay.

I’m not sure how you can witness the countless advancements in software daily, yet think this is impossible. You’re making excuses. It took them 6 weeks to fix a tracker lol…

 

[jahl]

It has to be loaded on a train going to Florida. This part takes the longest as they will only send full rail cars. If a car carrier can hold 8 Mavericks and yours was the 9th for Florida out of the factory, you will have to wait for seven more Florida-bound vehicles before it gets loaded.

Trains use a spoke-and-wheel transportation scheme, so it's first stop won't be Florida. Maybe Atlanta before Florida or via Mobile. But either way, there is no Mexico-to-Florida train. It will almost always stop in one or two large cities first.

Train companies won't run a train to Florida unless they have a full train to Florida. Fuel is not cheap and rail companies will not send a train unless they can maximize the profit ratio. And that includes having enough for the return train.

Florida's unique shape means their runs are there and back whereas the rest of the country can push on through to somewhere else. Essentially, there might not be enough for a train from Dallas to return from Atlanta. But there might be plenty for a new train from Atlanta to Charlette, thus they can push on through. Florida's shape limits those options.

Ehhh not really accurate or helpful info here. Quite a bit of misinfo. Trains are running everywhere, all the time. More than 1500 Mavericks are rolling off the line each week. That means they can send more than 30 trucks to each of the 48 states every week. If your truck misses the cutoff for a train, another train will be loading and departing within a day or two. Additionally, scheduling takes destination into account. There is some level of scheduling by region so that as the trucks come off the line, they are not NYC, FLA, WASH, TX. They largely come off the line in groups for specific regions, which improves the odds greatly of being 1500 trucks going to 48 states. Non-US orders are minuscule and not enough to change any of this.

As far as "train companies won't run a train to Florida unless they have a full train to Florida" goes, that is complete nonsense. They run empty trains all over all the time. It would it be great if Florida needed 100 auto racks each week to carry vehicles coming from overseas, and that US Manufactures also happened to need to deliver 100 racks worth of cars to Florida each week, but that is not reality.

FWIW in case anyone is curious:
Most trains run with a locomotive on one end, coach with control cab on the other end. It is quite costly to break or change a train's config, especially if you don’t have a cab car somewhere in the middle of the train. Cab cars and locomotives are not cheap to maintain or operate, and not just anyone can work with the high voltage required to switch cars in/out. They usually have to hire switching crews to do that.

For these reasons, among others, train companies run many not full trains every day. It is cheaper to burn the extra fuel rather than messing with the consists (make up of the trains).

Also, hub and spoke is much more of a thing in intermodal freight. Autoracks usually roll a fairly straight line from A to B.

Also, a train going from Hermasillo to Florida would almost never go through Mobile. If destination is the panhandle, it might go through Pensacola, but Mobile is quite unlikely.

I am not trying to embarrass you, just giving forum users more accurate and correct info.

Source: contractor for multiple Class I railroads (and a few smaller ones too).

 

[GreenKali]

I've never ordered a vehicle before but I think in the past the number of special ordered vehicles was a low percentage of vehicles built. So special order people got exactly what they wanted and the majority went to dealers so they had stock to sell. I'm sure the dealers are ticked that they are not getting inventory to sell. Of course dealers get the sales on our vehicles but most of those are at MSRP or below and at the Maverick price points I don't think they are making much. I suspect Ford will start building more trucks for inventory and slowing the special order builds so dealers can have inventory on their lots for spring and summer.

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