Maverick bubble over ?

[Mav_RICK]

meh southern California economics are rarely a solid gauge for the rest of the country... it's very different.

i drove from my home in Green Valley, Arizona to my home in Alamos, Sonora and couldn't believe the number of Mavericks that I was seeing on Semi Trucks between Nogales AZ/SON and Hermosillo Sonora. Probably 12 semi-trucks in that 3 hours span... All loaded with Mavericks, no Bronco Sports... Definitely were some late built MY2023s because I saw quite a few Cyber Oranges, Area 51s Alto Blues being ferried. Didn't see a single MY2024 Terrain, which was disappointed... However, not sure I would have gotten a good sense for the color looking across the grassy median with me heading 70mph southbound and the trucks heading 70mph northbound..

I ordered 7/17 and have a build date of 12/4. I live very close to the border (ordered from a Nogales AZ dealership), so I wonder if my truck will be transported on a semi instead of train? Anyway, that quick turn around leads me to believe the rush is over.. those who absolutely had to have one at any cost, well they have theirs now for the most part.

personally, I'm glad flipping is over... bottom feeders filled the banks so fast for mY2023 that many of us couldn't even get our orders in.... no loss on my part... i'm glad that nonsense is over..

Yep I see quite a few Mavericks on car haulers in Tucson as well headed north on I-10 Not sure why or where they are headed.

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[fltwd]

We have a used white hybrid xl and a new atlas blue fx4 ecoboost at our store. Hybrid we’ve had for 6 months. It’s relatively high mileage at 66k miles. New one has been here 3 weeks now. There has been some interest in the blue truck, but no takers.

 

[turinswift]

The majority of that "free electricity" is still produced with fossil fuels.

And that electricity is still less total pollution than an ICE generates. And the electricity is going to be be produced regardless. It's still a net reduction.

 

[Fcnrwy]

Not again....

Jerry

 

[FischAutoTechGarten]

Not again....

Jerry

Oh you know you love these weekly threads.... ;p Though the Should I accept delivery is the new hot weekly thread now.... You know you want to participate. LOL!!!

 

[TrailMaster]

And that electricity is still less total pollution than an ICE generates. And the electricity is going to be be produced regardless. It's still a net reduction.

<sorry, Jerry>

And if EVs were to catch on, electricity would be required in quantities that could stress our grid beyond capacity. Good thing many people didn't bite, and consequently Ford (and others) are reconsidering their investment in the technology. Again, why would Ford invest heavily in technology that isn't selling? As a reminder, I think hybrid technology is a cool stopgap -- until we find the next best thing. That won't be EVs, in my opinion. Until then, I'll drive my efficient AWD ICE vehicle. Without guilt.

 

[Maverstang]

<sorry, Jerry>

And if EVs were to catch on, electricity would be required in quantities that could stress our grid beyond capacity. Good thing many people didn't bite, and consequently Ford (and others) are reconsidering their investment in the technology. Again, why would Ford invest heavily in technology that isn't selling? As a reminder, I think hybrid technology is a cool stopgap -- until we find the next best thing. That won't be EVs, in my opinion. Until then, I'll drive my efficient AWD ICE vehicle. Without guilt.

Power distribution systems must be designed for peak capacity, not net production. There is massive underutilized capacity over night when most vehicle charging occurs, and the power companies are very eager to sell it. Don’t be an armchair power engineer.

Also, in 1910 people said gas cars would never catch on because there are not enough drug stores, which is where you had to buy gasoline in 1 gallon tin cans. Don’t underestimate the American economy’s dynamic ability to solve problems and evolve.

Yes, you and I can happily drive our hybrids (I certainly am), but there is no point in spreading false anti-EV propaganda just because you don’t want one… today.

 

[TrailMaster]

Power distribution systems must be designed for peak capacity, not net production. There is massive underutilized capacity over night when most vehicle charging occurs, and the power companies are very eager to sell it. Don’t be an armchair power engineer.

Also, in 1910 people said gas cars would never catch on because there are not enough drug stores, which is where you had to buy gasoline in 1 gallon tin cans. Don’t underestimate the American economy’s dynamic ability to solve problems and evolve.

Yes, you and I can happily drive our hybrids (I certainly am), but there is no point in spreading false anti-EV propaganda just because you don’t want one… today.

I don't want an EV today because they are not ready for the market today, and the market isn't ready for them.

Regarding the problems surrounding them, it's not false propaganda. Even the once gung-ho auto manufacturers are having second thoughts about making heavy investments in the current technology.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-delays-ev-manufacturing-investment-cars-too-expensive-2023-10

I ordered an Ecoboost by the way.

 

[Maverstang]

I don't want an EV today because they are not ready for the market today, and the market isn't ready for them.

Regarding the problems surrounding them, it's not false propaganda. Even the once gung-ho auto manufacturers are having second thoughts about making heavy investments in the current technology.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-delays-ev-manufacturing-investment-cars-too-expensive-2023-10

I ordered an Ecoboost by the way.

Farley has made it very clear Ford is doubling down on 2nd/3rd gen EV development to hit the cost points needed to be successful in the market. In that sense you are right, the first generation Ford and GM efforts were not sufficient or even as good as Tesla’s efforts. But to suggest they are having second thoughts and pulling back on development is utterly false. Short term sales because of cost and the economy, yes... but not development or strategic commitment.

In the meantime, Farley thanks you for you ecoboost order, which is helping to fund more EV development.

 

[Coast40]

In El Cajon California 2 hybrid xlt models hit the lot a couple days ago , 7500 over msrp.

Asking isn't getting. I see ads in Oregon where dealers are asking up to 10,000 over MSRP . They don't seem to be selling any as the listings never change.

 

[Mav_RICK]

The short answer is "yes"

Any time minimum wage for no skill/low skill jobs is increased, it has a domino effect as an increase to all basic costs of living (i.e. inflation), and ultimately does not significantly increase purchasing power for anyone on minimum wage.

Then anyone with skills higher than required for low skill/no skill jobs will rightfully want higher wages than was paid what is now the minimum wage, because they now can get a job requiring significantly less skill for the same pay as before.

This goes all the way up the income scale, because inflation does not increase purchasing power, it only increases cost of living.

Kind of like a cat chasing its tail.

 

[Mikknj]

News flash bro it ain't just corporations that do this it's every business even small ones.

The businesses cant - It's not that they don't, they have wages and overhead to pay. They have a margin that supports their business. They can't just absorb costs. When they get squeezed they raise prices. This will continue until consumers no longer have purchasing power. I.e your bank account is empty of all the free money sloshing around.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Power distribution systems must be designed for peak capacity, not net production. There is massive underutilized capacity over night when most vehicle charging occurs, and the power companies are very eager to sell it. Don’t be an armchair power engineer.

Also, in 1910 people said gas cars would never catch on because there are not enough drug stores, which is where you had to buy gasoline in 1 gallon tin cans. Don’t underestimate the American economy’s dynamic ability to solve problems and evolve.

Yes, you and I can happily drive our hybrids (I certainly am), but there is no point in spreading false anti-EV propaganda just because you don’t want one… today.

Not against EVs at all but currently 1% of the 250 million vehicles on the road in the U.S. are electric. If that figure were even 50% the scenario you just described would be far different. The grid is nowhere near ready for all those vehicles to be charging at night or any time.

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/what-percent-of-us-car-sales-are-electric

 

[fossil]

Not against EVs at all but currently 1% of the 250 million vehicles on the road in the U.S. are electric. If that figure were even 50% the scenario you just described would be far different. The grid is nowhere near ready for all those vehicles to be charging at night or any time.

I was watching with some interest how the grid fared with the record heat this past summer. Honestly expecting outages, brown outs that never occurred. Texas with recent history of grid issues fared well to the best of my knowledge. California is upgrading and burying it's it's grid in problem areas. Chicken Littles here in Ohio were predicting issues that failed to appear. Seems like it's not as dire as many say.

Thing about the grid and other businesses for that matter is that revenue finances expansion. Loans and bonds will finance expansion as needed. Power generation is a business and there are potential profits to be made. Grid upgrades certainly won't happen overnight but neither will the proliferation of EVs.

Me, I might be interested in a Power Boost hybrid that could power essential in my home during outages at some point but for now it's ICE. I'm certainly not going to try to talk anyone out of a EV if it fits their needs.

 

[Ranch]

Not against EVs at all but currently 1% of the 250 million vehicles on the road in the U.S. are electric. If that figure were even 50% the scenario you just described would be far different. The grid is nowhere near ready for all those vehicles to be charging at night or any time.

The government is pushing for utilities to go to solar and wind. No solar and little to no wind at night to charge EV's.

For that to work on a large scale there will have to be a massive investment in storage so people can charge their EV's at night.

How much will that cost and who's going to pay for it?

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