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They built 12,000 last year, and 8,700 this year. That's the difference I'm talking about.
you're reading the sales for January 2025, the first attachment. the second attachment is production for January 2025.
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I noticed the 42,000 "gross stock" number for the first time ever. I assume that includes both 2024 Mavericks being held and 2025 Mavericks not yet marked as sold. That's a lot of cars. For some luxury car models, that's a year's production. For the Maverick, about 3 months.

I think that number is probably warped by the stop sale on 2024s.
 

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I noticed the 42,000 "gross stock" number for the first time ever. I assume that includes both 2024 Mavericks being held and 2025 Mavericks not yet marked as sold. That's a lot of cars. For some luxury car models, that's a year's production. For the Maverick, about 3 months.

I think that number is probably warped by the stop sale on 2024s.
Yep.
Fleet sales might take a big bite out stock once the camera is resolved. They won't be as concerned by an old model year and generally take XL's but will likely take XLT at a discount.
 

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Fleet sales might take a big bite out stock once the camera is resolved
fleet sales have their own inventory. the trucks you see on dealership lots piling up will all be retail customer orders (perhaps abandoned by now) or dealer stock.

a company, especially a SMB, might choose to buy some retail trucks for their own fleet, but I don't think Ford will have the ability to take retail or stock trucks back from dealerships and sell them to large fleets like Uhaul, AT&T, etc.
 

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fleet sales have their own inventory. the trucks you see on dealership lots piling up will all be retail customer orders (perhaps abandoned by now) or dealer stock.

a company, especially a SMB, might choose to buy some retail trucks for their own fleet, but I don't think Ford will have the ability to take retail or stock trucks back from dealerships and sell them to large fleets like Uhaul, AT&T, etc.
UHaul isn't buying Mavericks to rent out. Small businesses and independent contractors, on the other hand, might jump at them if they're priced right (and if they meet their needs). They're less likely to be interested in some of the Ford Pro software offerings too. It sounds weird but I think those count as "fleet" sales too ("fleet sales" should really probably be referred to as business sales or B2B sales or something).
 

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I'm averaging $100 a month in fuel at ~23mpg average. Assuming the hybrid does twice as much mileage, it would take 8.3 years for $5,000 marked-up hybrid to break even with my AWD 4K EB.
I always filled my Tremor with 93 so for me the fuel savings are much more significant.

Tremor: 24mpg @ $4.00/gal 93 would be roughly $0.167/mile

AWD Hybrid: 34mpg @$3.00/gal 87 is roughly $0.088/mile

Nearly a 50% improvement in efficiency which does not alone justify the roughly $6,000 it cost to make the jump but at 15,000 miles per year it is $1,200 per year and my payback is 5 years for making the jump from 2023 Tremor to 2025 AWD Hybrid
 

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In January there were almost no Mavericks for sale on dealer lots. All the 24’s are held up.
Only a few 25’s available. I bet most of those sales in Jan were ordered vehicles from folks like us.

That’s why numbers are so low. Ford really screwed themselves.
There will be such a glut of Mavericks when the recall release happens.
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I always filled my Tremor with 93 so for me the fuel savings are much more significant.

Tremor: 24mpg @ $4.00/gal 93 would be roughly $0.167/mile

AWD Hybrid: 34mpg @$3.00/gal 87 is roughly $0.088/mile

Nearly a 50% improvement in efficiency which does not alone justify the roughly $6,000 it cost to make the jump but at 15,000 miles per year it is $1,200 per year and my payback is 5 years for making the jump from 2023 Tremor to 2025 AWD Hybrid
My wife asked my why I was tracking the gas consumption with the Maverick (as if she didn't know I was a nerd). But the truth is I want to see what the total cost of ownership is for me so that I can compare that to owning an EV.

In 2024, I purchased $851.82 in gas for 6,090.6 miles.
The range of Mach-E is 320 miles with the 91 kWh battery or 0.284 kWh per mile.
The range of the Lightning is 320 miles with a 131 kWh battery or 0.409 kWh per mile.

I currently get power at the house at a rate of $0.12145/kWh. I work from home and only fill up the Maverick once or twice a month. So, using home power to charge a vehicle, even on 110v 15a is not a major problem with the option of a local Tesla fast charger if needed. I only drive three days a week, so what do I care if I need to plug it in for two days once a month to charge it?

To fill up in my garage from a dead battery:
Mach-E: $11.05
Lightning: $15.91
Maverick from empty tank at $3.11/gallon gas: $45

According to Fuelio, my average cost per mile since I brought Bruce home is $0.140.
The Mach-E would be $0.034 per mile.
The Lightning would be $0.05 per mile.

Thus, my annual fuel/power cost would be:
Maverick (2024 Actual): $851.82
Mach-E: $210.28
Lightning: $302.84

So, even with Alabama's $203 annual EV fee, I would save:
Mach-E: $438.54 a year
Lightning: $345.99 a year

Add in an extra $100 for oil changes. So, I'm 100% on board with the idea of an EV Maverick. But it would need to be priced less than $5,000 more than the EB model for it to break even over 10 years only considering fuel/oil cost.

Of course, if I drive more then that break even duration drops.
 
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Of course, if I drive more then that break even duration drops.
so long as you don't drive far enough to require charging away from home. then you've got considerably higher charging fees and you might as well be tracking your wasted time waiting in line to charge, charging in excess of 10 minutes, and going out of your way to charge.

in a multiple vehicle house you can probably just drive the gas vehicle to avoid those kinds of issues, especially if at least one person works from home.
 

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so long as you don't drive far enough to require charging away from home. then you've got considerably higher charging fees and you might as well be tracking your wasted time waiting in line to charge, charging in excess of 10 minutes, and going out of your way to charge.

in a multiple vehicle house you can probably just drive the gas vehicle to avoid those kinds of issues, especially if at least one person works from home.
And we have considered that. But my wife is a stay at home mom and I work from home. Only the kids drive to school. The benefit of a lot of the fast chargers in my area is they have been stationed where I would need to take a bathroom break anyway. By the time I walk in, do my business, and walk out, that's enough time to charge the vehicle to extend to the next bathroom break.

Like I said, this is based solely on my usage of the Maverick last year which included just one long trip as we tend to take the Explorer when we travel. And as I told my wife, we would likely keep one ICE vehicle for that purpose anyway.
 

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My wife asked my why I was tracking the gas consumption with the Maverick (as if she didn't know I was a nerd). But the truth is I want to see what the total cost of ownership is for me so that I can compare that to owning an EV.

In 2024, I purchased $851.82 in gas for 6,090.6 miles.
The range of Mach-E is 320 miles with the 91 kWh battery or 0.284 kWh per mile.
The range of the Lightning is 320 miles with a 131 kWh battery or 0.409 kWh per mile.

I currently get power at the house at a rate of $0.12145/kWh. I work from home and only fill up the Maverick once or twice a month. So, using home power to charge a vehicle, even on 110v 15a is not a major problem with the option of a local Tesla fast charger if needed. I only drive three days a week, so what do I care if I need to plug it in for two days once a month to charge it?

To fill up in my garage from a dead battery:
Mach-E: $11.05
Lightning: $15.91
Maverick from empty tank at $3.11/gallon gas: $45

According to Fuelio, my average cost per mile since I brought Bruce home is $0.140.
The Mach-E would be $0.034 per mile.
The Lightning would be $0.05 per mile.

Thus, my annual fuel/power cost would be:
Maverick (2024 Actual): $851.82
Mach-E: $210.28
Lightning: $302.84

So, even with Alabama's $203 annual EV fee, I would save:
Mach-E: $438.54 a year
Lightning: $345.99 a year

Add in an extra $100 for oil changes. So, I'm 100% on board with the idea of an EV Maverick. But it would need to be priced less than $5,000 more than the EB model for it to break even over 10 years only considering fuel/oil cost.

Of course, if I drive more then that break even duration drops.
I have two dedicated 20 amp 120 outlets in my garage. Are these sufficient to charge Ev overnight? Let’s say 8-12 hours day
 

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I have two dedicated 20 amp 120 outlets in my garage. Are these sufficient to charge Ev overnight? Let’s say 8-12 hours day
Not overnight from empty. A Lightning would take ~54 hours to charge to full at the 2.4 kW you mention.

Also, I believe Ford won't let it charge faster than 15A on 110V as a safety feature. You will have to get a 220V plug to charge faster.
 

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Not overnight from empty. A Lightning would take ~54 hours to charge to full at the 2.4 kW you mention.

Also, I believe Ford won't let it charge faster than 15A on 110V as a safety feature. You will have to get a 220V plug to charge faster.
Thanks. I average 16 miles a day lol. Sometimes 60-80 for Costco trips. 30 each way

hybrid probably ideal for me
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