Got rid of auto stop-start for 17 bucks

[ScottyC]

And down the road buy a new starter

And here, I thought the starter on the EB would be a LOT more than that.

Rock Auto

PS. that is for the Motorcraft....cheaper versions are there too...at $136

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[TheSEARCH]

A friend of mine who owns a 2020 Jeep SUV not sure which version the BIG one which has the stop start .BUT no longer doing it. He was concerned why it no longer did the start stop. So he took it in and they told him after it does it so many times. It says REPLACE starter which was a LOT of money . He declined and it just no longer does the silly start stop.

I wonder if any of the fords do this? BUT it sure tells you the manufacturers know the starters will fail FAST. His is a 2020.

 

[KsuMax]

This trip was all city, had a ton of stoplights, weather was a pleasant 67°F. Did not need heating or air conditioning. Was slightly downhill (300 foot drop out of 13 miles).

The hybrid battery helped some, but not a lot. The elevation drop was too slight for any meaningful regeneration. Did allow some coasting in the 40 MPH zones where wind resistance isn't huge.

What got this great MPG was not so much the battery, as it was shutting the engine off at all those stoplights. About 15 of them, and about 10 minutes of cumulative engine off time.

If I had an EB there would be specific times I'd want the engine to stay on, and there would be others, such as this 13 mile commute that I'd want it to cycle.

Having OPTIONS with a button seems Win-Win to me.

Guess I'm overly practical.

Because of all the stoplights, the EB with auto-stop disabled would net about 20 MPG on this same drive. With it on, probably 40 MPG.

I didn’t buy a Tremor because I cared about gas mileage. I would rather get a little less mpg than all the wear and tear on the starter and engine. Plus, I live in Florida and use my AC year round and it’s gets noticeable warmer when the truck shuts off at every light and stop sign.

 

[The Real Maverick]

My typical drive includes several stop signs and literally I stop, the engine shuts off, restarts and I drive away just as fast as you read that.
ASS needs to be a driver defaultable OFF setting. Shouldn't even need to spend the $17 or buy the equipment to use Forscan.

I agree those situations are fruitless and frustrating to this hybrid driver as well.

The generation one hybrids would usually NOT shut off the engine in the first 5 to 8 seconds of a stoplight. You had to kind of "prove" you were sitting still for a while. This also was annoying to some drivers, aka burning gas at all while standing still.

 

[TheSEARCH]

I agree those situations are fruitless and frustrating to this hybrid driver as well.

The generation one hybrids would usually NOT shut off the engine in the first 5 to 8 seconds of a stoplight. You had to kind of "prove" you were sitting still for a while. This also was annoying to some drivers, aka burning gas at all while standing still.

I hope your NOT complaining about hybrid stop and starting. I assume you referring to regular gas car right?

Hybrid uses electric AC compressor so has Zero effect on AC and shutting off engine doesn't hurt a thing on hybrid. It does it often even when i cruise at 30 mph down the road engine shuts off. Its a good thing. That is how hybrids achieve great mpg. At a stop If you accelerate easy it will drive away all eletric then fire engine as your speed increases.

This is all about the mav with 2.0 turbo engine. Now its a pain with that setup

 

[Toddman45]

I disabled auto stop/start the minute I parked my new Maverick in the garage with my laptop and Forscan with free 2 month license. As well as many other things you can add or disable for free.

 

[HeyBales]

It appears the Toyota starters designed for the AS/S will throw a code at 384K cycles, requiring a new one, or living with the MIL on.
Whereas their typical starter is expected to last much less than that - but not tracked either, so as long as you can take it.
Of course the heavy duty one is more expensive.

This thread or another, someone pointed out the Ford starter is the same typical one as non-AS/S vehicles.
So I'm wondering if Ford did nothing else for the AS/S system except software changes?
Comment on turbo made, that's sad.
Comment on AC not keeping cold if shut off for under a minute.
Sounds like maybe they didn't spend a lot with the system design (or lack of design), so perhaps only for the Fed credit with a few software changes.

The Toyota system all load is removed supposedly on startup, like alternator and AC.
Of course with their embracing hybrid so much, it gets simple again.

 

[Tbone289]

ASS needs to be a driver defaultable OFF setting.

I don't think that would pass muster for the EPA credits so, from Ford's perspective, why would they do that?

 

[TrailMaster]

And here, I thought the starter on the EB would be a LOT more than that.

Rock Auto

PS. that is for the Motorcraft....cheaper versions are there too...at $136

They usually fail at the most inconvenient times but no worries. You can go out on a frigid winter morning and slap that inexpensive new replacement starter on in five minutes, easy peasy!

Not for me.

 

[identifyasatruck]

Amen, Ford should constantly be improving the software to address customers concerns. My sister’s 2025 Genesis did not have a compass option. She checked a vehicle owners blog and they all concurred. Suddenly yesterday morning, a compass appeared on her display. Ford needs to take a lesson from the Koreans and use the features of the new Sync system to continually improve this fine vehicle and to win new praises from customers with updates that address the customers requests. They don’t have to wait until the next model year any longer with over the air updates.
Take the ball and run Ford !

theoretically its a good idea, but the reality of improvements that the people want leaves a lot of people frustrated....Microsoft and Adobe software updates are an example.

 

[MikeS1942]

I hope your NOT complaining about hybrid stop and starting. I assume you referring to regular gas car right?

Hybrid uses electric AC compressor so has Zero effect on AC and shutting off engine doesn't hurt a thing on hybrid. It does it often even when i cruise at 30 mph down the road engine shuts off. Its a good thing. That is how hybrids achieve great mpg. At a stop If you accelerate easy it will drive away all eletric then fire engine as your speed increases.

This is all about the mav with 2.0 turbo engine. Now its a pain with that setup

The hybrid does not have the stop/start system. It shuts off as soon as you take your foot off the throttle and stays off while you're stopped. It will stay off when you drive off, as long as you don't mash the throttle. There is no button on the hybrid to shut off an s/s system. I hear people talk about s/s systems on their hybrids----no such animal!

 

[TheSEARCH]

The hybrid does not have the stop/start system. It shuts off as soon as you take your foot off the throttle and stays off while you're stopped. It will stay off when you drive off, as long as you don't mash the throttle. There is no button on the hybrid to shut off an s/s system. I hear people talk about s/s systems on their hybrids----no such animal!

I realize that I was commenting on another bringing up hybrids which stop the gas engine all the time . I had the auto stop start on my previous car. I hated it. Plus my other post about Jeep that had his stop doing it and was told time to change starter.

 

[MikeS1942]

I realize that I was commenting on another bringing up hybrids which stop the gas engine all the time . I had the auto stop start on my previous car. I hated it. Plus my other post about Jeep that had his stop doing it and was told time to change starter.

Yea, I wasn't meaning to reply to your situation as much as I was responding to some who seem confused about s/s in the hybrid as well. A friend of mine has a 23 Escape and it is a pain. Apparently the auto makers realized how easy and inexpensive it was to put that system into as many of their vehicles as possible just to appease the folks who are looking at ways to improve fuel economy. I'm sure it's pennies, but starters will take a beating. It should be a driver's choice to turn that on as opposed to always having to turn it off.

 

[inthecabin]

I’ve read that if you just plug in a night light to the AC outlet, if equipped, will over ride ASS.

 

[lostboykev]

I spent $60 for the OBDlink EX USB for the forward thinking changes I might make on the truck and maybe a future Ford if my loyalty is still there. First new vehicle which happens to be the Maverick. But if all you want is to get rid of the auto stop/start thats a great price. Ford gets incentives for adding this (look up off-cycle credits) Thankfully the current EPA administrator is proposing the removal of those incentives. But does that mean they'll give out a software update after the fact? Who knows.

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