Fuel economy hybrid vs turbo

[HeyBales]

The Maverick does not use a belt driven CVT, that's a common misconception. It uses an e-CVT which is a completely different transmission with planetary gears and they have proven to be very reliable even for towing.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about since you don't even know the difference between a CVT and an e-CVT. They only thing the two share in common is the name.

Well - he also had the HP wrong - so probably not knowledgable on hybrid much.
Which is fine - just don't make comments when accuracy matters, and especially when it's not the topic anyway. (MPG not HP)

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[710-oil-614]

Well - he also had the HP wrong - so probably not knowledgable on hybrid much.
Which is fine - just don't make comments when accuracy matters, and especially when it's not the topic anyway. (MPG not HP)

or that torque is what matters for towing not HP. Guy was all sorts of incorrect

 

[Ryom]

156 horsepower HYBRID, Turbo 250 horsepower, I had a frontier with the 2.6 L 4cyl, 156 HP and it was a dog!

You should use the combined rating because the hybrid has both an engine and a motor. Torque is what we feel when we stomp on the pedal or want to get something heavy moving and the hybrid torque curve is nuts. The electric motor provides 100% torque from 0RPM, and as the gas engine transitions into its torque powerband the electric motor is winding down but the torque curve isn't quitting because we have two power plants that complement each other very nicely when it comes to power to the wheels and an eCVT that keeps it in the powerband instead of having shift points.

HP ultimately is less than the Ecoboost and even then, the hybrid got raced against the Lobo and it was neck and neck until the very end when the higher HP finally makes a difference.

Also, I went 2 miles down the road to the grocery store and got almost 90MPG in the hybrid. I'll trade being a car length behind the Ecoboost at 90MPH for getting 90MPG any day.

 

[Blue_Max]

HP ultimately is less than the Ecoboost and even then, the hybrid got raced against the Lobo and it was neck and neck until the very end when the higher HP finally makes a difference.

The Lobo was created for enhanced handling, not straight-line performance. Ford added no power to its engine.

 

[Ryom]

The Lobo was created for enhanced handling, not straight-line performance. Ford added no power to its engine.

I'm 100% aware... but I'm not sure why you're making a distinction for this post. The test I mentioned was against, specifically, the Lobo which is why I said the Lobo. The other poster was comparing the hybrid to the Ecoboost and claiming the hybrid would be a dog due to it's low HP. The Lobo uses the Ecoboost engine so it's a valid test to bring up when they are claiming the hybrid is a dog.

 

[Blue_Max]

I'm 100% aware... but I'm not sure why you're making a distinction for this post. The test I mentioned was against, specifically, the Lobo which is why I said the Lobo. The other poster was comparing the hybrid to the Ecoboost and claiming the hybrid would be a dog due to it's low HP. The Lobo uses the Ecoboost engine so it's a valid test to bring up when they are claiming the hybrid is a dog.

Because I thought it was weird to single out the Lobo for acceleration when that's not why it was created.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

The Total Torque of the Hybrid gas + electric is nearly the same as an Ecoboost.

Sure, the battery is good for a couple of minutes at full output or several minutes at partial output.

ON NO ROAD can you hold your foot to the floor for 3 minutes in any truck.

So the fact the hybrid battery depletes in minutes while an ecoboost gas tank doesn't is moot.

News flash: when you back off the pedal the hybrid RECHARGES in minutes.

Rinse & repeat all day long.

 

[Ryom]

The Total Torque of the Hybrid gas + electric is nearly the same as an Ecoboost.

Sure, the battery is good for a couple of minutes at full output or several minutes at partial output.

ON NO ROAD can you hold your foot to the floor for 3 minutes in any truck.

So the fact the hybrid battery depletes in minutes while an ecoboost gas tank doesn't is moot.

News flash: when you back off the pedal the hybrid RECHARGES in minutes.

Rinse & repeat all day long.

People are sleeping on the eCVT being able to keep the engine at the optimal RPM as well. Between the electric motor and the eCVT keeping the ICE in the powerband the hybrid Maverick does quite well acceleration wise. I think that Ford could design a vehicle that would use that to better effect, but the hybrid Maverick hits a really nice sweet spot for performance and efficiency.

 

[Timothyd]

The hybrids are heavily affected by cold and also going uphill / hilly elevations / going above 55mph (highway driving)

I find when I drive my Maverick in the hilly Ozarks my milage goes up. I think it mimicks city driving

 

[HeyBales]

People are sleeping on the eCVT being able to keep the engine at the optimal RPM as well. Between the electric motor and the eCVT keeping the ICE in the powerband the hybrid Maverick does quite well acceleration wise. I think that Ford could design a vehicle that would use that to better effect, but the hybrid Maverick hits a really nice sweet spot for performance and efficiency.

And for your 25 - you seem to get a tad more power outta the motor at least before ICE is needed - that's nice. Sounds like 15% or almost, compared to 10%.

Be interesting to know if that means it'll use more power from motor combined with the ICE too.

 

[710-oil-614]

And for your 25 - you seem to get a tad more power outta the motor at least before ICE is needed - that's nice. Sounds like 15% or almost, compared to 10%.

Be interesting to know if that means it'll use more power from motor combined with the ICE too.

They did say the motor is more powerful in the HF55 while maintaining the same footprint - one of the improvements to handle the 4K tow requirements.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

I find when I drive my Maverick in the hilly Ozarks my milage goes up. I think it mimicks city driving

100% agree.

Hills help boost MPG in hybrids.
Worked like that all the way back to the very first hybrids.

A gas engine uses more fuel going uphill and less fuel going downhill.

A hybrid uses more fuel going uphill and zero fuel going downhill.

A hybrid generally uses fuel all or most of the time cruising on flat land.

I can drive a mostly flat 38 mile route with no net elevation change and get 45 MPG at 60 MPH.

I can drive up and down a few very big hills on a different route of 42 miles and get 55 MPG at 60 MPH.

It's non-intuitive and it's not a fluke.
It can be repeated any day of the week.

The longer, very hilly route saves gas.
Just a little bit. But it's counter-intuitive.

shorter route: 38 miles uses 0.844 gal

longer route: 42 miles uses 0:763 gal at a cost of "about" 4 minutes more time.

While nearly equal; I find the hilly route out in the rural area with some trees and farm animals more pleasureable than the shorter route in the concrete jungle. So I almost always take the longer route. Saving gas is bonus.

 

[Timothyd]

100% agree.

Hills help boost MPG in hybrids.
Worked like that all the way back to the very first hybrids.

A gas engine uses more fuel going uphill and less fuel going downhill.

A hybrid uses more fuel going uphill and zero fuel going downhill.

A hybrid generally uses fuel all or most of the time cruising on flat land.

I can drive a mostly flat 38 mile route with no net elevation change and get 45 MPG at 60 MPH.

I can drive up and down a few very big hills on a different route of 42 miles and get 55 MPG at 60 MPH.

It's non-intuitive and it's not a fluke.
It can be repeated any day of the week.

The longer, very hilly route saves gas.
Just a little bit. But it's counter-intuitive.

shorter route: 38 miles uses 0.844 gal

longer route: 42 miles uses 0:763 gal at a cost of "about" 4 minutes more time.

While nearly equal; I find the hilly route out in the rural area with some trees and farm animals more pleasureable than the shorter route in the concrete jungle. So I almost always take the longer route. Saving gas is bonus.

The hybrid actually uses gas going uphill and less than zero going downhill.

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