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Right now there are no EV's for the masses. Name one if there is.
BYD sold more EV’s last month alone than the total number of Mavericks sold since 2022. Most of them were less expensive than a Maverick:)
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China has battery swap stations.

The battery is a cassette.
The cassette swaps in 144 seconds.

They have done 110 Million battery swaps since 2018.
 
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“The average price of a BYD EV in China is roughly $23,900. Due to intense competition and a hyper-localized supply chain, BYD offers a wide lineup of vehicles that start far below the brand's global or export price equivalents.

Price points vary across different popular models in the Chinese market:
  • Subcompact: The BYD Seagull EV starts between $8,000 and $10,200.
  • Compact/Mid-Size: Sedans and crossovers like the BYD Seal 06 EV start at around $15,300.
  • SUVs & Flagships: Larger family EVs like the Sea Lion range from $21,400 to $35,700depending on the trim and powertrain”
  • Source - Google Search Engine not AI;)
 

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When I bought my Tesla last year it was $37500 with the tax credit. Now it would be $45000 but that's still under the average price for a new car. That was one of the main reasons I bought it. It was cheaper than the Maverick Lariat that I was considering getting to replace my totaled Maverick.
 

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Chinese EV’s are subsidized by their government. This is why they are so cheap. This needs to be a factor in discussing their low priced vehicles.

https://insideevs.com/news/716063/china-ev-subsidies-byd-tesla-billions-study/

However, I have also read that their gov’t is curbing subsidies soon.

Last, if you are putting politics into your EV opinions then you are a complete bonehead. Your political motivations in regard to an EV have no connection except what’s in your head.

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Agree & the video touches on your points.

What surprised me was the Japanese move away from Just In Time (JIT) & Continuous Improvement (CI). Did not see that coming…
JIT adds too many "middle vendors" inflating MSRP's. OEM's need to build all in house maybe 2 or 3 versions = $, $$, & $$$. Then support buyer flex build scenarios!
 

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BYD sold more EV’s last month alone than the total number of Mavericks sold since 2022. Most of them were less expensive than a Maverick:)
I thought we were talking about the US market, I was. BYD doesnt sell any here. I will never buy an EV. They wont work for me. 100's of millions live in apartments. EV's dont work for them. There are less than 2 percent of cars on the road, here, that are EV's. There are a lot of issues to work out. They have had decades to get it right and it is still a work in progress. Too many secrets the EV fans want to hide. But the buyers soon find out. A few years down the road and tens of thousands of depreciation later they go back to gas. Its like the paperless office, not gonna happen. ✌
 

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Luckily I own my home so I can charge at home. After owning an EV for a year now I will never buy another gas vehicle. All the other ev owners I've talked to say the same thing, once you drive one and get used to it then you never want to go back.
 

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" Right now there are no EV's for the masses. Name one if there is. "

We just picked up a 2027 Chevy Bolt - ~260+ miles of range, fast charging, the cheapest EV available in America, and union made in Kansas. By no means perfect and Chevy has said it will be a limited run. Also, as one of my bosses used to say, "The masses are asses"!
The Bolt is a low volume seller. A niche vehicle. It is great if it fits your needs. Definitely not for the masses. Have you got 260+ miles on a single charge? Or is that an exaggeration on chevy's part. Have you taken a 500 mile trip in a single day? If so, was it easy or a hassle? And the masses think the bosses are asses. 🙂 ✌
 

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" Right now there are no EV's for the masses. Name one if there is. "

We just picked up a 2027 Chevy Bolt - ~260+ miles of range, fast charging, the cheapest EV available in America, and union made in Kansas. By no means perfect and Chevy has said it will be a limited run. Also, as one of my bosses used to say, "The masses are asses"!
GM loses about 8 GRAND per Chevy bolt. They cant continue that forever. Just looked it up to see if that is still correct and it is. Bolt sells in 28 K range Chevy Trax BIGGER sells for much less 24K range . So your paying for an inferior drive train convenience wise. Yes its lower cost to drive BUT you have to make up that initial price difference. All while GM loses 8 K.

Oh My Hybrid Mav goes 500 miles per tank easy with range to spare.
 
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When I bought my Tesla last year it was $37500 with the tax credit. Now it would be $45000 but that's still under the average price for a new car. That was one of the main reasons I bought it. It was cheaper than the Maverick Lariat that I was considering getting to replace my totaled Maverick.
You went to a Tesla from a Maverick…? Truck to a car….How are you actually liking the electric…and is it actually saving you $$$
 
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GM loses about 8 GRAND per Chevy bolt. They cant continue that forever. Just looked it up to see if that is still correct and it is. Bolt sells in 28 K range Chevy Trax BIGGER sells for much less 24K range . So your paying for an inferior drive train convenience wise. Yes its lower cost to drive BUT you have to make up that initial price difference. All while GM loses 8 K.

Oh My Hybrid Mav goes 500 miles per tank easy with range to spare.
The Chevy Bolt is built on the traditional unibody frame used on the Hybrids & ICE. A money losing proposition for EV design as Ford & Toyota have learned.

GM is wise to discontinue this 2nd Gen Bolt as it will be a money loser. Might be a great quality vehicle - but “open box” gigacasting is the cost effective process of the future for EV’s supposedly.

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You went to a Tesla from a Maverick…? Truck to a car….How are you actually liking the electric…and is it actually saving you $$$
I'm loving it so far. It's a huge upgrade in every way. Yes it's saving me money. I've spent $447 so far to go 13,000 miles. 98% charging at home. The only maintenance has been a tire rotation and that was $20. My wife and I like to go camping in it. We just lay the back seat down and put a small mattress in it. We both fit comfortably.
 

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I'm loving it so far. It's a huge upgrade in every way. Yes it's saving me money. I've spent $447 so far to go 13,000 miles. 98% charging at home. The only maintenance has been a tire rotation and that was $20. My wife and I like to go camping in it. We just lay the back seat down and put a small mattress in it. We both fit comfortably.
So it cost you about $10 for a 300 mile range
I think electric would be ideal for me…I do short drives maybe only 5k/yr
 

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So it cost you about $10 for a 300 mile range
I think electric would be ideal for me…I do short drives maybe only 5k/yr
If you can charge at home it would be ideal. You don't need to buy a charger unit if you don't want to. Even though it's very slow a wall outlet or a dryer outlet can be used to charge a ev. Doesn't matter to me how slow it charges at home. I plug it in when I get home if it's low and then it can charge over night. Go take a test drive if you can. Tesla has a great test drive system. Just tell them what you would like to try out and they will give you a key card and send you on your way. No salesperson in the car and you get 30 minutes to drive it however you want to.
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