Does Rotary Shifter suck?

[Glen Baker LLC]

I tried this yesterday at the end of the driveway picking up the mail. See post #207 for steps. The parking brake did not engage. The auto hold did but I did not have to release the parking brake to move forward with the door open and unbuckled. Anytime I have manually set the parking brake I have to manually release it. Not sure if hill assist would be activated on a slope but when it has been it releases with acceleration.

Same here. I tried it on some pretty significant Hills in the neighborhood. The hill assist activates but only holds for about 3 seconds.
The parking brake has never Auto set.

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[Tbone289]

Same here. I tried it on some pretty significant Hills in the neighborhood. The hill assist activates but only holds for about 3 seconds.
The parking brake has never Auto set.

Hill assist is only there to hold you on the hill as you transition from brake to accelerator pedal.

AFAIK, the parking brake only auto sets when park is engaged on an incline.

 

[Tbone289]

So when I park on my sloped driveway, put it in park, turn the truck off, why does it roll forward when I take my foot off the brake? If I set the parking brake it does not roll forward. And to release the parking brake I have to manually release it. What am I missing because it doesn't seem to automatically set it anywhere I have parked on a slope.

I depends on the angle of the slope. Hill assist doesn't work on low angles either.

 

[Red Eyes - Wide Shut]

So when I park on my sloped driveway, put it in park, turn the truck off, why does it roll forward when I take my foot off the brake? If I set the parking brake it does not roll forward. And to release the parking brake I have to manually release it. What am I missing because it doesn't seem to automatically set it anywhere I have parked on a slope.

You have confused the software bot parameters that watch out for your bad practices.

 

[gjallen3]

Rotary shifter sucks

I'm not a fan of the rotary shifter, are you?

I'd like it a lot more if they put the Auto Start Stop disable button right on the rotary shifter. That way I could press it and disable while going from Park into gear.

 

[Meeka]

I'd like it a lot more if they put the Auto Start Stop disable button right on the rotary shifter. That way I could press it and disable while going from Park into gear.

Yes, get rid of the ‘L’, that I never use and put it there. Hmmm…

 

[Tbone289]

The drive slopes enough that if I put it in neutral from a stop and let it roll it will get to 3 to 4 mph. But if I am backed in and put in drive I have to accelerate to get the hill assist to release. I have never had the parking brake set itself even on a very steep street parking. I'm trying to figure out if I need to get it to the dealer.

To be honest, my comments are based upon what I've read here, so take them with a grain of salt. Having driven manual transmissions my whole life, I'm religious about using the parking brake, so I've never relied it being automatic.

This conversation has me curious though; I'm going to have to test the theory next time I drive the Mav and see how my results compare. I'll let you know if it's a thing or not. I could just be completely mis-remembering and confusing it with the automatic park.

EDIT: Sorry @MavStangVa, I don't think it does work as I've stated. I looked through the manual, and it doesn't mention any auto parking brake, except the blurb under Auto Hold that says it might be applied in some circumstances. In fact, it instructs you to apply the parking brake on slopes.

 

[Red Eyes - Wide Shut]

I was surprised to read that Europe a long bastion of manual transmissions. Now sells more automatic transmissions than manuals.

Europe is experiencing a significant increase in the adoption of automatic transmissions, with estimates in 2020 suggesting a market penetration of around 75%. This shift is driven by factors such as consumer demand for comfort and convenience, particularly in urban environments; advancements in automatic transmission technology leading to better efficiency; and the growing popularity of hybrid and electric vehicles, which are often equipped with automatics.
Since Model Year 2016:
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) reported that automatic transmissions began providing better average fuel economy than manual transmissions starting with vehicles from the 2016 model year.

Yep semi-trucks are going Automatic.
Based on current sales figures for new semi-trucks, nearly 90–95% are being sold with automatic or automated manual transmissions. Less than a decade ago, this number was as low as 10%.
A manual transmission in a semi, is now considered a special order.
Driver accessibility: Automatics are easier to operate, which widens the potential hiring pool for trucking companies and reduces the barriers for new drivers. Many new drivers entering the field have no experience with manual transmissions.
Fuel efficiency: The computerized and predictive shifting in modern automated manual transmissions (AMTs) is often more fuel-efficient than a manual transmission, especially for average drivers. This results in significant cost savings for fleets.
Lower maintenance costs: AMTs reduce wear and tear on the drivetrain by preventing missed shifts and inconsistent driving techniques. This results in less maintenance and downtime compared to manual transmissions.
And Reduced Driver Fatigue.

I think manual transmissions are going the same way as a crank started engine.

Soon people won't drive anymore or work anymore. Ai will do everything better.

 

[HeyBales]

So it seems only 1 comment about auto-EPB when doing the door open and auto-shift to P, or even just manually going to P before shut off, on an incline.
Or was it all the time supposedly? I thought they said all the time, level ground too.
And IIRC wasn't it 25MY?

I'm going to test some differences with Auto-Hold enabled, which I don't use.
Since manual does say auto-EPB sometimes on inclines, I want to see if it displays icon for that, or just does it.

And someone above said EPB won't disengage with Go pedal - it actually is supposed to, I've never tested how much Go pedal is needed compared to say the Auto-Hold brakes, or Hill Assist if you beat the auto-release.

 

[Timothyd]

I know. Those old drums brakes were great

I've had the manual lever with disc brakes.

 

[Timothyd]

Soon people won't drive anymore or work anymore. Ai will do everything better.

I've been using AI for a long time now, so have my coworkers. Solved many issues and designed many devices. P.S.: AI = Actual Intelligence.

 

[Timothyd]

I was thinking about that.

I'd used the lever method to slow a car down with some feel to how much power is being given to the brakes, I even think some slow routine trying to aim for a spot.

But in an emergency - pretty sure it's going to be yank the max outta that thing and hope it's enough - there won't be no messing around with the pressure to fine tune the stopping distance.

And holding up on the e-brake would be no different - you can let go and pull it up again to modulate it somewhat, but I"m betting it's the same thing in an emergency - you are wanting as quick as possible.

I'll bet it can beat the manual lever.

What about for doing "Bat-Turns" and fine adjustments and using during electrical glitches?

 

[HeyBales]

Yes, for now they are required to be gone MY2029 in all vehicles. So most redesigns or new models have EPBs already.
BTW, I was joking about the old tech being better than the new tech. The old manual drum brake emergency brakes usually were rusted up and worked poorly.

I always had the backup and engage in reverse would adjust them just fine.

But it was the release would never be full and annoying feel or sound of rub - for awhile.

At least if you used it frequently just to keep things moving - that lever sticking up in the air was good reminder to release it before moving - compared to floor engage versions.
Always interesting how infrequently people look at their dash at new lights.

Probably why the EPB is supposed to release if you really Go pedal it.

 

[HeyBales]

What about for doing "Bat-Turns" and fine adjustments and using during electrical glitches?

Totally forgot about "practice" in the 1st snow for winter driving.
Also forgot to show son during driving practice about that.
Or maybe I didn't forget so much, as wait till later.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Same here. I tried it on some pretty significant Hills in the neighborhood. The hill assist activates but only holds for about 3 seconds.
The parking brake has never Auto set.

Hill assist is only there to hold you on the hill as you transition from brake to accelerator pedal.

AFAIK, the parking brake only auto sets when park is engaged on an incline.

Which is exactly how I explained Hill assist in my post #245 above yours.
Now here is a video taking on the same street. Me shifting the Maverick into park, took my foot off the brake and no parking brake came on automatically. I even opened the door.

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