Consumer Reports Most Reliable New Cars

[Rob Cactus Gray]

You miss my whole point. It isn't about safety recalls. It is about how common place they have become. By the way Hyundai has been rated highly by CR, and frankly, Hyundai is no worse than any other manufacturer. How about having some standards rather than being an apologist for mediocrity?

Your point has more holes than Swiss cheese.

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[Platinum2]

I don’t have access to consumer reports at the moment. Need my computer with military ID reader (CR is free for military, ask for more info). I did look into this and USAToday says a different story. I’m not backing any of this information one way or the other. I think that vehicles will all have their issues but most will work well enough. In general people worry too much about what might happen and waste money on fear.

Ford is 18th least reliable manufacturer and Lincoln is 28th (dead last). USAToday is claims to receive the data from consumer reports.

Worst vehicles make Ford look even worse. Not sure why we don’t see a Lincoln on the list.

I've owned many Lincoln's over many years. Ford's and Mercury's too. Never had anything go wrong with them outside normal maintenance. I've had Continentals, Cougars, SVT's, and many others.

I don't have any faith in JD Power (cry baby owners) , Consumer's "Almananc", or any other rag that gets paid to be cheerleaders for those who spend the most money on advertising and match their biases....

 

[Deleted member 4163]

Your point has more holes than Swiss cheese.

There is a saying, 'a fool and his money are quickly parted.' There is nothing to be proud of in having no standards.

 

[DryHeat]

There is nothing to be proud of in having no standards.

You have standards, right? So... what does that mean, exactly?

When a vehicle doesn't meet your standards, do you:

(1) refuse to buy it, or
(2) buy it but complain about it, or
(2) buy it but complain about it, and about people who buy it but don't complain,

or something else?

 

[Rob Cactus Gray]

There is a saying, 'a fool and his money are quickly parted.' There is nothing to be proud of in having no standards.

Let’s avoid assuming your standard is the only version of a standard. What are you buying and what is your expectation? What will you do when the vehicle is recalled?

 

[Deleted member 4163]

You have standards, right? So... what does that mean, exactly?

When a vehicle doesn't meet your standards, do you:

(1) refuse to buy it, or
(2)buy it but complain about it, or
(2)buy it but complain about it, and about people who buy it but don't complain,

or something else?

Whether I buy or not remains to be seen. I am about to get into a bit of financing so I will think long and hard about the purchase. I won't purchase if when I see the Maverick in person it looks and feels cheap. Given that I am coming off of a car with multiple recalls, I have my concerns. I don't want another vehicle with multiple recalls and when I see one already, that gives me pause and concern. It is simply not good form. Why is that so hard for people to understand and respect without telling me I am being ridiculous for that concern? Notice that I am not buying another Hyundai because of all the problems I had with my Sonata. If your company fails me then I will take my business elsewhere and try again. That is our obligation as consumers. I am not rich. Maybe everybody else on here is, but I am not.

 

[Deleted member 4163]

Let’s avoid assuming you standard is the only version of a standard. What are you buying and what is your expectation? What will you do when the vehicle is recalled?

My expectation is that it was engineered properly and built with attention to detail. As I mentioned in response to another post, given that I am coming off a multiple recalled car with a frozen engine for Hyundai's failure to address a problem for five years worth of Sonatas, I hope you can understand why I am concerned about buying another multiple-recalled vehicle. Nobody has given me a cogent answer as to why one should accept multiple recalled vehicles as a normal course of action. All I have heard is rationalizations. Actually caring about what I spend my money on is an obligation I have in a free market. Sorry for bending you all with my desire to have a car properly built right the first time. I don't think that is an undue standard or expectation, but apparently, it is and that truly is a shame.

 

[DryHeat]

Why is that so hard for people to understand and respect without telling me I am being ridiculous for that concern?

I'm not saying you are being ridiculous. I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it.

Why? Well... you seem to expect vehicles to be built to a near recall-free standard. And you're certainly free to feel that way (although I would suggest that you not buy a car). But you shouldn't be surprised when some others don't share that expectation and don't rise up and storm the corporate gates in support.

Is there a "cogent reason" why people accept recalls? I'd say part of it comes down to price. If you buy a bicycle for $30,000 (or a car for $300,000) I'd say you are right to expect near-perfection. But a $30,000 car is on the cheap end these days. To paraphrase an old saying, "you don't get what you don't pay for."

 

[Arukoru]

Let me try to inject some sanity here

Is Consumer reports sometimes biased or have flawed testing methodology? Of course, this is the same for everyone who does any testing regularly.

Is Consumer report 100% accurate all the time? No

Are they still a decent source for buying advice? Yes! For a bunch of industries you may know next to nothing about I'd way rather at least have CR to rely on. For example lets say you want to buy a detachable vacuum with no bag, not many people know the top 5 models offhand so its best to check with CR and draw your own conclusions.

I just get sick of this stupid shit of "well they screwed up once therefore I think they are as evil as satan himself!". We've had enough of this in the real world, let's all take a breather and think for more than 3 seconds, I know it is tough outdoing a toddler but I'm sure we'll manage.


Okay, finally the topic at hand.

New car reliability is the dumbest thing of all time. Is it kinda sorta useful because you figure out if there's a common problem? Sure! But you can't speak to a vehicle's reliability in a short time frame, even the biggest junkers need at least 60k miles to really start burning that oil. Huge spoiler alert by the way, the most reliable are going to probably be Toyota & Honda minus 2-3 models, it isn't a world mystery who makes reliable cars.

 

[Deleted member 4163]

Let me try to inject some sanity here

Is Consumer reports sometimes biased or have flawed testing methodology? Of course, this is the same for everyone who does any testing regularly.

Is Consumer report 100% accurate all the time? No

Are they still a decent source for buying advice? Yes! For a bunch of industries you may know next to nothing about I'd way rather at least have CR to rely on. For example lets say you want to buy a detachable vacuum with no bag, not many people know the top 5 models offhand so its best to check with CR and draw your own conclusions.

I just get sick of this stupid shit of "well they screwed up once therefore I think they are as evil as satan himself!". We've had enough of this in the real world, let's all take a breather and think for more than 3 seconds, I know it is tough outdoing a toddler but I'm sure we'll manage.


Okay, finally the topic at hand.

New car reliability is the dumbest thing of all time. Is it kinda sorta useful because you figure out if there's a common problem? Sure! But you can't speak to a vehicle's reliability in a short time frame, even the biggest junkers need at least 60k miles to really start burning that oil. Huge spoiler alert by the way, the most reliable are going to probably be Toyota & Honda minus 2-3 models, it isn't a world mystery who makes reliable cars.

The only real issue I had with my three past Toyotas (Corolla LE, and Two Tacomas) was that their radiators were junk. All three vehicles had radiators that didn't last 100,000 miles, and consequently, all three had to have their head gaskets replaced because of it. I would probably be looking at another Tacoma if the mileage they got wasn't the same as it was in 2003.

 

[Deleted member 4163]

I'm not saying you are being ridiculous. I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it.

Why? Well... you seem to expect vehicles to be built to a near recall-free standard. And you're certainly free to feel that way (although I would suggest that you not buy a car). But you shouldn't be surprised when some others don't share that expectation and don't rise up and storm the corporate gates in support.

Is there a "cogent reason" why people accept recalls? I'd say part of it comes down to price. If you buy a bicycle for $30,000 (or a car for $300,000) I'd say you are right to expect near-perfection. But a $30,000 car is on the cheap end these days. To paraphrase an old saying, "you don't get what you don't pay for."

Well, I don't happen to think $30,000 is cheap and I don't think most people earn the kind of money that can afford a $100,000 for an F250 with a crew cab or the fuel charges that come with it or even a $60,000 F150 crew cab. The only people who can justify such a cost are contractors who write those costs off as a business expense. If one is making less than $100,000 a year, then they have no business in buying such an expensive vehicle, and auto manufacturers are not the only ones vying for my hard-earned dollars. Cars are not houses and they shouldn't cost as much as one, and yes, you can still buy a 3 bedroom, 2 bath house in Ocala for around $100,000 pre-construction. All that being said, the only opinion that really matters is mine because I am the one spending the money and whether a car costs $30,000 or $130,000, I still expect attention to detail and a vehicle that won't crap out in 5 years. I do appreciate your response.

 

[Skeeziks]

I feel like a bit of an outlier here because in the 15 or so new vehicles I have purchased there have been 0 recalls of any consequence. I think there may have been minor issues that didn't seem worth my time to deal with. That said, the Maverick is only the 2nd time I've purchased a new model. The first was the original Ford Maverick which was also my first car.

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